Maomao and Yulin Dog Meat Festival

Animals bred for human consumption world over are treated inhumanely and live in horribly cruel circumstances - it all depends on your level of awareness and point of view whether you have the opinion that animals are strictly for human consumption so we can eat them and abuse them. In Indonesia they believe its OK to eat dogs, here no. And of course we are not cannibals, but many people consider their pets and animals friends and family and more than just for human consumption and as work slaves and believe them to be worthy of love and respect and special care, in the same way friends and family are.

Definition from Wiki: Anthropomorphism
is the attribution of human traits, emotions, and intentions to non-human entities[SUP][1][/SUP] and is considered to be an innate tendency of human psychology.


 

I too will just make a couple of final points on this...
Firstly, let me re-iterate that I am sceptical about this type of second-hand report that deliberately uses highly emotive language to try to stir up support.
Secondly, I am not one for 'anthropomorphism'. How do you or I know what an animal "thinks"? I can only say that in the UK, they are dispatched quickly and humanely.

Perhaps we've been watching too many films like "Babe" or "Charlotte's Web".


Sorry, I can't resist;). Maybe you haven't been getting updates from the same AR groups that I have. Most countries have 'rules' in place, but the truth is that those rules are frequently ignored for the sake of expediency and the bottom line. Even the Guardian has aired a video of what transpires in British slaughterhouses along with commentary from the group that took the footage. The people who work in slaughterhouses are overworked, often untrained in the 'niceties' of animal treatment or they simply do not care. And the animals suffer because of it. As they say, seeing is believing.
 
Whoa !.......how'd we get from some countries consuming canines then to eating animals that are actually bred for human consumption and then taking one hell of a giant leap to eating children ?

I guess I must have missed a page or two. :confused:


It's an easy leap from dogs to other animals. They all feel pain and fear and suffer and die.

(and that is my last word).........
 

Whoa !.......how'd we get from some countries consuming canines then to eating animals that are actually bred for human consumption and then taking one hell of a giant leap to eating children ?

I guess I must have missed a page or two. :confused:

No Ike, throwing in the eating children bait is just more dramatic. :D I'm an animal lover and in no way condone the eating of dogs in any country, but I know enough to realize that traditions in other areas of the world are much different than those in western societies. I'm glad to know that this practice is less popular than it used to be in those countries.

I don't support any abusive treatment of any animals who are raised and slaughtered for food in the USA. There are ranchers who care for their animals very well, give them a good and healthy life, and use the most humane treatment when it comes to preparing them for market.

I still choose to eat beef, pork, chicken, etc. like many other people in many countries. My niece is a vegetarian, and I respect the woman for not judging others who don't agree with her personal choices, and accepting that not everyone is going to agree with what she has chosen to consume. She has not made anyone feel 'less than' just because they want to enjoy some turkey or beef at a holiday meal. Those who hold her values and treatment of others, are more likely to persuade people to join her in her eating lifestyle. I'm proud of her, never intolerant.


I do find that posting something like this on Thanksgiving day is less than considerate, and maybe was not meant to be offending. But I can imagine that to some vegans/vegetarians, it might even bring titillation on a holiday like this.

I'd like to see the dog consumption end, and I admire those in those countries who are actively trying to rescue these dogs and adopt them out as an alternative.
 
Sorry some found my reference to eating children as titilating it or a dramatic bait. That was not my intention, just making a discussion point, which seems to have been grossly misunderstood. When it comes to food choices its all a matter of personal principle and choice, and we do have lots to choose from living in an abundant society where everything is readily available. Its always risky talking about meat and killing animals, no one wants to think about it, let alone talk about it. People just want their meat and don't want anyone making them feel they are doing anything wrong, especially on turkey day.
 
sorry some found my reference to eating children as titilating it or a dramatic bait. That was not my intention, just making a discussion point, which seems to have been grossly misunderstood. When it comes to food choices its all a matter of personal principle and choice, and we do have lots to choose from living in an abundant society where everything is readily available. Its always risky talking about meat and killing animals, no one wants to think about it, let alone talk about it. People just want their meat and don't want anyone making them feel they are doing anything wrong, especially on turkey day.
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No Ike, throwing in the eating children bait is just more dramatic. :D I'm an animal lover and in no way condone the eating of dogs in any country, but I know enough to realize that traditions in other areas of the world are much different than those in western societies. I'm glad to know that this practice is less popular than it used to be in those countries.

I don't support any abusive treatment of any animals who are raised and slaughtered for food in the USA. There are ranchers who care for their animals very well, give them a good and healthy life, and use the most humane treatment when it comes to preparing them for market.

I still choose to eat beef, pork, chicken, etc. like many other people in many countries. My niece is a vegetarian, and I respect the woman for not judging others who don't agree with her personal choices, and accepting that not everyone is going to agree with what she has chosen to consume. She has not made anyone feel 'less than' just because they want to enjoy some turkey or beef at a holiday meal. Those who hold her values and treatment of others, are more likely to persuade people to join her in her eating lifestyle. I'm proud of her, never intolerant.


I do find that posting something like this on Thanksgiving day is less than considerate, and maybe was not meant to be offending. But I can imagine that to some vegans/vegetarians, it might even bring titillation on a holiday like this.

I'd like to see the dog consumption end, and I admire those in those countries who are actively trying to rescue these dogs and adopt them out as an alternative.


Titillating??? Seriously, you think I intended to 'titillate' folks here? Well forgive me for caring and for responding impulsively to that groups decision to declare a day of memorial.

Seems like caring is risky no matter where you are. I'll try and stick to safe stuff like 'who went shopping on Black Friday' in the future.
 
It's an easy leap from dogs to other animals. They all feel pain and fear and suffer and die.

(and that is my last word).........

Somehow Debby, I knew it wouldn't be your last word. :D

Titillating??? Seriously, you think I intended to 'titillate' folks here?

Interesting how you took that comment personally, this other one wasn't a better fit? I was sharing the way I felt about the topic being presented on Thanksgiving day, and perhaps neither of my views were meant to fit you personally, did you ever think of that?

I do find that posting something like this on Thanksgiving day is less than considerate, and maybe was not meant to be offending.
 
No I didn't think it wasn't personal and for obvious reasons. Because I started the thread, because you correlated veg'ns and 'titillation' and because a couple other folks had the same response and one of them said that he had to go back and see WHO started this horrible thread.....well yes, I took it personally.

So I am sorry that I started it on Thanksgiving weekend. Perhaps I am insensitive in that regard as we don't celebrate this day like everyone else does. I failed to take that into account when I posted only responding to a feeling, and now believe me, I am sorry on so many levels. But this isn't my first time round the block on this issue and my gut feeling is that it wouldn't be well received in any instance as it had the potential to morph into something that wasn't intended initially. Remember, the initial point was to encourage signatures on petitions to help the dogs and cats because they do work.

I keep hoping for a shift in consciousness in the world and while 'they' say it is slowly happening, I always feel like it isn't happening fast enough but I suppose I have to be willing to slow down and allow the baby steps to come along. So having said that, I hope that you and yours have a nice day. I hope that you will enjoy family and laughter and reconnect in love because that is what it's all about really isn't it.
 
But this isn't my first time round the block on this issue and my gut feeling is that it wouldn't be well received in any instance as it had the potential to morph into something that wasn't intended initially. Remember, the initial point was to encourage signatures on petitions to help the dogs and cats because they do work.

Yes Debby, unfortunately it quickly turned into 'meat-shaming' again for those of us who enjoy a steak now and then (or a traditional Thanksgiving turkey dinner), then to cannibalism and eating children. :rolleyes:

This woman has been actively rescuing animals for many years, she's an angel for doing this for these dogs. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7630820.html

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A retired school teacher and animal advocate saved the lives of 100 dogs on Saturday after she paid about $1,100 to save them from an annual dog meat festival in the southern Chinese city of Yulin.Yang Xiaoyun, 65, traveled about 1,500 miles from her home in the city of Tianjin to secure the dogs, Agence France-Presse reported.

Yang has been rescuing animals since 1995, when she pulled an abandoned kitten from a river. In 1999, she founded a dog and cat sanctuary known as the "Common Home for All." She has taken in hundreds of animals and has sold her home, relying on rented space to house them, according to a 2013 video about her work.

She prepares meals for the animals and calls them her "children," the India Times reported. Her shelter now houses almost 1,500 dogs and 200 cats.

Yang's selfless act in Yulin comes as international observers and activists continue to draw attention to the city's dog meat festival. Dog meat consumption does have a historical precedent in China, according to Peter Li, a China policy specialist at Humane Society International and associate professor at the University of Houston-Downtown, but the Yulin festival only dates back to 2009.

About 10,000 dogs are killed each year for the Yulin festival, which coincides with the summer solstice. Some of the dogs that arrive in the city have collars, reported the Daily Beast, indicating that they may be stolen pets.

Actor and animal advocate Ricky Gervais condemned the festival and said footage he saw from past years broke his heart. "I will never forget the look of bewilderment and fear on the faces of these poor animals -- the dogs and cats await a horrible fate," he said in a statement. "No animal deserves to be treated like this."

Yang reportedly wants to open another dog sanctuary, in Yulin.
 
Meat shaming (that's a new one!) cannibalism and eating children? Seabreeze you have completely missed my whole point or misread, taking what I have said much too literally. Again I apologize profusely and regret deeply any words and ideas that I have expressed on this forum that may have made anyone feel ashamed of themselves for eating meat. My humble apologies. I will never mention it again here on this forum and in the future will be very careful what I say to meat eaters in general, as I can see that can be very upsetting to some. Peace!
 
I do find myself apologizing for not wanting to eat animals and my animal welfare beliefs, but I have yet to hear a meat eater apologize for their role in killing/hunting/and eating abused animals. Some say that they are doing it with respect and humanely but in my view they are still just pig killers and deer hunters and in some places dog killers. That is what they wish to do, not really out of necessity or for economic reasons but because that is what they like and enjoy doing. If you want to call that meat shaming, go right ahead, I'm tired of pussyfooting around the issue and apologizing for caring.
 
Another meat eater here and no apologies.

I believe that animals raised for food should be treated humanely and killed in ways that minimize suffering.

I feel the same about hunting. I would rather see a hunter take a deer quickly and cleanly with a rifle or bow than see that animal starve or be chased and killed by wild dogs.
 
Well, I'm damned if I'm going to apologise for my beliefs. I eat meat, I have helped to raise animals for meat, I have hunted, fished and foraged - always been for eating. If anyone doesn't like that, hard luck.

Like I said, people do what they enjoy doing. But you miss my point, with not a glimmer of understanding.
 
Well, I'm damned if I'm going to apologise for my beliefs. I eat meat, I have helped to raise animals for meat, I have hunted, fished and foraged - always been for eating. If anyone doesn't like that, hard luck.

I have nothing to apologize for either Capt.Lightning, and I enjoyed some delicious barbecued St. Louis style ribs for my Thanksgiving dinner. Not only do I not abuse animals, but I also try to show some respect and tolerance for those who don't share my views. As I said, my niece is a lovely lady who chooses to be a vegetarian, and she does so without ridiculing others. Everyone respects her, you get what you give.
 
If you want to call that meat shaming, go right ahead, I'm tired of pussyfooting around the issue and apologizing for caring.

If you call this pussyfooting Cookie, I'd hate to see you come in on full charge.

--- look at the meat in your fridges and freezers --- cows and piggies and sheeps? A tad hyprocritical to think all animals don't deserve better.

Suggesting that those of us who enjoy beef, lamb and pork that are raised in healthy conditions, not abused, and prepared for market in a humane manner are hypocrites because we don't agree with eating domestic animals like dogs and cats?

That said, why don't we like to eat other humans, particularly little children? Don't you think they would be tender meat and very tasty? But lets put them to work first, maybe doing farm work or picking fruit.

Saying that little children would be tender and tasty, but make them work first before you kill them....pussyfooting sarcasm I guess?

People just want their meat and don't want anyone making them feel they are doing anything wrong, especially on turkey day.

Nobody's doing anything 'wrong', that's just you're opinion.

Again I apologize profusely and regret deeply any words and ideas that I have expressed on this forum that may have made anyone feel ashamed of themselves for eating meat.

How many people here who are reading this forum do you think feel 'ashamed' due to anything you've said here? You give yourself great power, don't you?

Some say that they are doing it with respect and humanely but in my view they are still just pig killers and deer hunters and in some places dog killers

Again, your view and your opinion. Most of us in the United States and Canada would not approve of killing and eating domestic animals like dogs and cats. Nothing wrong with a deer hunter who shoots the deer in a responsible manner and uses the meat for food......been going on since the beginning of time.

I have nothing to be ashamed of or to apologize for, as I don't abuse or condone the abuse of animals, and I try to show some respect for those who choose different lifestyles than I do.
 
Another meat eater here and no apologies.

I believe that animals raised for food should be treated humanely and killed in ways that minimize suffering.

I feel the same about hunting. I would rather see a hunter take a deer quickly and cleanly with a rifle or bow than see that animal starve or be chased and killed by wild dogs.

Completely agree with you Aunt Bea.
 
Well, Seabreeze, I see its no use -- this kind of thing just goes around and around and people get annoyed and some misinterpret what is posted. I don't think its something that can be argued about or explained. Everyone feels it in their own heart what they think is right. I think its about empathy, some people have lots, some have a bit, some have none. I could never kill an animal no matter how I rationalize it in my mind (unless it was a matter of life or death). And I can't condone the meat industry which is all about feeding a lot of people and making a lot of money.

Of course not many are able to be vegetarian, even if they wanted to. It takes a lot of determination and strength and creativity and it isn't easy. Maybe that's why the young people of today can do it, they have their friends and support and they have the energy and the flexibility. Old folks not so much, they can only stick to the old ways that have been around for eons, since cave man I guess and lean on tradition and cultural values, if that is their priority. People eating dogs in some places are essentially doing the same thing people here do -- sticking to traditional ways and values, which we find horrible, but try telling them that.
 
I think its about empathy, some people have lots, some have a bit, some have none. I could never kill an animal no matter how I rationalize it in my mind (unless it was a matter of life or death).

Of course not many are able to be vegetarian, even if they wanted to. It takes a lot of determination and strength and creativity and it isn't easy. Maybe that's why the young people of today can do it, they have their friends and support and they have the energy and the flexibility. Old folks not so much, they can only stick to the old ways that have been around for eons, since cave man I guess and lean on tradition and cultural values, if that is their priority.

Well, I have to say that I've been very empathetic to both people and animals since I was a child. I also have never killed an animal personally, but would do so if I needed the food, or if it was threatening my life. I feel this way about life threat for both human and animal, you threaten to kill me, and I will do everything in my power to stop you.

I've gone for months without eating meat, and I'm in my 60's. It doesn't take any special "strength" or creativity to do so, just don't buy lamb chops when at the supermarket. Unless you're really weak-willed, when you want to do something, for whatever reason, you just do it.

I don't lean on anything personally, I'm not so weak minded that I mindlessly follow some kind of 'values' set before me by my ancestors. No big deal to put meat aside if desired, not some caveman instinct overcoming me....or any senior, for that matter. I don't disrespect older people and praise young ones in these matters.
 
Seabreeze, all my posts were were not directed at you personally, so you don't have to defend or justify yourself. And I'm glad to hear that you don't go out and shoot deer. I suppose I am generalizing about people who conform to traditional thinking but that has been my experience and in my experience I have seen that younger people are often more receptive to new ideas. And also in my own personal experience, I find it is not easy being vegetarian permanently, I sometimes find it very challenging to get the protein my body needs, but that's just me. But I keep it up.

And I suppose it does sound like meat shaming when I talk about bad conditions for the animals, and not liking hearing about how yummy people's meat is and and even worse about how they are in the business of butchering their well cared for and humanely treated pigs. It does not endear me to the meat eating folks, I know.

That is unfortunate, but it can't be helped. Your niece is clever to be tactful and careful in what she says and in turn earning your respect. But I really can't keep my mouth shut when it comes to the plight of the animals and its too bad for me that it usually gets me absolutely no respect at all, in fact people hate to hearing about it and its not even that I blab about it all the time either. But that's the price I pay to stand up for the animals and their rights. Just trying to get the message across, in whatever way possible, usually without even taking the time and effort to sugar-coat my words, quite often failing miserably but sometimes someone actually hears me.
 
I do find myself apologizing for not wanting to eat animals and my animal welfare beliefs, but I have yet to hear a meat eater apologize for their role in killing/hunting/and eating abused animals. Some say that they are doing it with respect and humanely but in my view they are still just pig killers and deer hunters and in some places dog killers. That is what they wish to do, not really out of necessity or for economic reasons but because that is what they like and enjoy doing. If you want to call that meat shaming, go right ahead, I'm tired of pussyfooting around the issue and apologizing for caring.

I will say that I eat some meat but not as much as I used to and am not proud of it at all. I often eat vegetarian meals. I have a hard time going totally without it and that may sound like I'm an animal killer but I don't see myself as that. I don't kill them. I am aware of the suffering of animals and sign lots of petitions. Maybe I sound like a hipocrate then but I do care. Maybe I need to care more. I already know how all this sounds bad about me but it's being honest about where I am at right now.
 
Cookie you are a dear and I understand exactly what you've said in your last comment. I have many of the same experiences that you've described here and considering that we live in a meat-centric world where you see a never ending flow of meat advertising, dairy advertising, suggested recipes on cooking shows, and it's all presented in such an antiseptic way, it becomes increasingly hurtful. Add family and friends pressuring, asking questions but not wanting to really get an answer...yes indeed, difficult to live in this world sometimes. And always theres the accusations about being an angry veg'n, 'pushing our beliefs down the throats of others' when I know most of us say very little......difficult isn't it sometimes?

I'm blessed in that my one daughter has also chosen the same path in life and my husband as well. Mind you he had to 'come along' because I do the cooking;) and he doesn't even know where the can opener is kept! I have him under my control:D but I've also made a point of learning to cook the best meals! He's never dissatisfied always happy with the results and because of how I cook he never packed on the pounds the way so many men do by the time they're 65 so it's all good. (And considering that my cooking when we first got married meant replacing burnt pans monthly! Yep things have improved!)

As for protein, I just had a blood test done a few months ago and one of the things he tested for was protein levels and they were perfect, iron levels perfect, all perfect. You mentioned that you find it difficult to be sure to eat enough protein foods, maybe if you want to PM me with an idea of what kinds of foods you eat, perhaps I could give you some ideas on how to be more sure on what you're getting.

I know one thing that I like to cook is lentils with coconut cream sauce. I cook the lentils with a soup cube and then when close to done I'll add the coconut, maybe a little bit of leftover spaghetti sauce, some curry spices, pepper, parsley and a tiny bit of 5-spice powder. And of course it's perfect for adding all sorts of finely chopped veggies and then spoon over top of potatoes or noodles or rice. I usually make a large pot so that we're having them for several meals or freezing for another day.

I use lentils too that are cooked to be quite soft and then add them to spaghetti sauce and they take the place of hamburger beautifully. I also find spaghetti sauce a little acidic sometimes to the taste, so I'll often add just a heaping tablespoon of coconut cream to just smooth it a little.

And here's an easy idea, my husband goes to the gym and he'll fuel up before he goes with a slice of toasted whole wheat bread with peanut butter. Now he likes to top that with bananas but you could use a nice jam. Toast and peanut butter, healthy protein! or if you had a cashew nut spread or some other nut spread and voila!

The interesting thing I just learned recently is that you don't need to combine foods specifically to get your protein. Our bodies are able to sort of warehouse enzymes and then when an appropriate match comes along, the system does it automatically. Who knows, you might be doing a lot better than you think. After all everything has protein enzymes in it right. I mean look elephants get so huge on leaves and grasses. Must be getting protein somewhere. Horses, cows, same thing. I even heard you could conceivable get all the protein you need from blueberries except you'd have to eat something like 60 cups of blueberries:).
 
I will say that I eat some meat but not as much as I used to and am not proud of it at all. I often eat vegetarian meals. I have a hard time going totally without it and that may sound like I'm an animal killer but I don't see myself as that. I don't kill them. I am aware of the suffering of animals and sign lots of petitions. Maybe I sound like a hipocrate then but I do care. Maybe I need to care more. I already know how all this sounds bad about me but it's being honest about where I am at right now.


It sounds like you care Ruthanne and you are taking all into account when you eat and you're trying to cut down. That's big you know, because it's hard to make changes of any sort and especially when the world is going the other way mostly. Check out the suggestion that I gave Cookie on a great way to use lentils.

Do you have a food processor? If you do, you could make a great chick pea salad by throwing chick peas (drain them first), carrot chunks, lettuce or a few clean beet leaves, celery and whatever hard veggies you like, then chop them up til they are fine enough for your preference. I will squeeze half a lemon in, some salt and pepper and some turmeric to season it as it's chopping. And then add in some cucumbers that you've chopped smallish by hand, some thawed but raw green peas, and some fine chopped sweet onion and you have a fabulous salad! I love this recipe and that's one of the things that I'm making for our supper tonight. Maybe some of that toast but with a cashew nut/garlic spread that I've made....fabulous.

Aside from the whole aspect of ethics which I'm not going to get into here, there is the effect of the meat/dairy industry on our environment and quite frankly, it's not good which may be why the FAOO released a study in 2006, called Livestocks Long Shadow, that identified that livestock is the cause of 18% of the worlds GHG emissions. Not only that, but last week I watched a television show about the destruction of 20% of the Amazon rainforest and a further 20% expected loss in the next 20 years, solely for the purpose of cattle farming. That rainforest births our weather patterns and the rain that the world needs, so it's a serious issue.

So anytime you have a veg meal, you are doing it for the world too:) and that's a good thing.
 
We've been down this carnivore vs vegetarian road several times in the past and I very seriously doubt that either side has switched to the others way of thinking.

I am, always have been and always will be a meat eater and for those who don't enjoy meat that's fine also......different strokes for different folks.
 


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