Ex-cop Michael Slager sentenced to 20 yrs for killing Walter Scott

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rgp said:
Do you really want to go there ?
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Sure, why not? It all part of the cops attitude of a culture of extreme violence, especially toward blacks. Sorry, RGP, but your argument is entirely based on a person disobeying a cop. In other words, "Disobey a cop, and you will die" That is not the kind of America we need or want.
 
Wasn't Ted Bundy stopped for a broken tail light and let go? Then again, Bundy was a very glib, upper middle class white guy. No surprise there. Most serial killers are white men, so that's not a good excuse for shooting a black guy in the back.
 
Traveler said:
Sure, why not? It all part of the cops attitude of a culture of extreme violence, especially toward blacks. Sorry, RGP, but your argument is entirely based on a person disobeying a cop. In other words, "Disobey a cop, and you will die" That is not the kind of America we need or want.
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So you prefer anarchy ? If one disobeys an officer it might lead to his death yes....that is entirely up to the one disobeying .

Obey the demands of the officer, and argue / fight it out in court. That is our system.....don't disobey & attempt to fight it out on the street / at the scene....you will lose.

If anyone does not like our system /...change it...through the proper channels. Do not try to do it in a police encounter street scene.

When someone does defy , and looses 'big-time' , even if the officer is found to be wrong / Perhaps tried & convicted even...if the one that deified is still dead ?...is that better ?

Or how'bout if the police become so concerned with being second-guessed, that they do hold back? And hardened criminals flee to freedom, to go on committing their crimes ?....is that better ?

Can't have both, either we support our police, or we will slip into anarchy I guarantee it.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Wasn't Ted Bundy stopped for a broken tail light and let go? Then again, Bundy was a very glib, upper middle class white guy. No surprise there. Most serial killers are white men, so that's not a good excuse for shooting a black guy in the back.
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So he shot a black guy in the back? And that is all you saw ? all there is to it ?

How about he shot a fleeing suspect, that he had no idea what crime he may have just committed, or what crime he may commit , & on who if he gets away.....

Or, would it have been more on the OK side if the suspect had been white ?

I have stated my position...I don't care what color a suspect or a criminal is...stop him .
 
applecruncher said:
^^ I'm being ridiculous? Oh, that's rich. :laugh:
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I totally agree with Applecruncher. We need an entirely new cop culture. A wide, sweeping overhaul of all police Departments in America. The cops have literally been getting away with murder, planting evidence, perjury, framing suspects, beating confessions out of people and routinely, willfully, with malice of forethought, violating their constitutional rights.

What I have personally witnessed cops doing to people would stand your hair on end. Right now, some of the most dangerous people in America are cops. What we desperately need is a few hundred more convictions of cops who commit murder, and then they MIGHT get the message.
 
Traveler said:
I totally agree with Applecruncher. We need an entirely new cop culture. A wide, sweeping overhaul of all police Departments in America. The cops have literally been getting away with murder, planting evidence, perjury, framing suspects, beating confessions out of people and routinely, willfully, with malice of forethought, violating their constitutional rights.

What I have personally witnessed cops doing to people would stand your hair on end. Right now, some of the most dangerous people in America are cops. What we desperately need is a few hundred more convictions of cops who commit murder, and then they MIGHT get the message.
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Care to explain / relate some of this 'personally-witnessed' you speak of ?

What we need is more strict enforcement of the law and support of those that enforce it....then maybe THEY the criminal thugs MIGHT get the message.
 
Traveler said:
I totally agree with Applecruncher. We need an entirely new cop culture. A wide, sweeping overhaul of all police Departments in America. The cops have literally been getting away with murder, planting evidence, perjury, framing suspects, beating confessions out of people and routinely, willfully, with malice of forethought, violating their constitutional rights.

What I have personally witnessed cops doing to people would stand your hair on end. Right now, some of the most dangerous people in America are cops. What we desperately need is a few hundred more convictions of cops who commit murder, and then they MIGHT get the message.
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Our local police department is being monitored by the DOJ. They are directly overseeing the hiring and training process to weed out the guys who were joining the force because they wanted to kill people. They're retraining the existing officers, doing psychological testing and getting rid of potential murderers.

I never believed any of this was possible until I was working in a hospital OR and one of the anesthesiologists was laughing that his son had graduated from the police academy the day before and couldn't wait to make his first kill. I thought he was joking until the other guys and he convinced me that's the only reason anyone would become a cop. What was even scarier is that they all acted like it was normal. I had one of those now I know I've lived too long moments that has not gone away.

Our cops were killing a wide variety of people, sort of equal opportunity murderers. The homeless were some of their favored targets, but they killed a neighbor who objected (verbally only) when the SWAT team broke into a home. Oops, turned out they had the wrong address and too bad the neighbor disapproved.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Our local police department is being monitored by the DOJ. They are directly overseeing the hiring and training process to weed out the guys who were joining the force because they wanted to kill people. They're retraining the existing officers, doing psychological testing and getting rid of potential murderers.

I never believed any of this was possible until I was working in a hospital OR and one of the anesthesiologists was laughing that his son had graduated from the police academy the day before and couldn't wait to make his first kill. I thought he was joking until the other guys and he convinced me that's the only reason anyone would become a cop. What was even scarier is that they all acted like it was normal.
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I have been wondering lately, what is wrong with some of these cops. I believe they actually enjoy hurting people in much the same way that school yard bullies enjoyed hurting people. Part of the definition of a psychopath is that they have no conscience.
The thought that cops kill people based on what the "suspect" MIGHT do in the future, as RPG stated, is terrifying.

As I see it, the only way to stop the cops is to join protests and raise such a holy stink that the politicians will be forced to take action. If 50,000 people march on city hall, or the main cop shop, the media will also be forced to report on why ,every day people are protesting.
 
Traveler said:
I have been wondering lately, what is wrong with some of these cops. I believe they actually enjoy hurting people in much the same way that school yard bullies enjoyed hurting people. Part of the definition of a psychopath is that they have no conscience.
The thought that cops kill people based on what the "suspect" MIGHT do in the future, as RPG stated, is terrifying.

As I see it, the only way to stop the cops is to join protests and raise such a holy stink that the politicians will be forced to take action. If 50,000 people march on city hall, or the main cop shop, the media will also be forced to report on why ,every day people are protesting.
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According to the anesthesiologist and his friends, there is no thrill comparable to killing a human being. That's what his son and other police recruits were after. They wanted to kill legally, so they could get all of the thrill and none of the punishment. I figure that makes them far worse than the non-sanctioned murderers they want to bring to justice.

It took a combination of protests and a video that went viral showing cops shooting a homeless man who was camped in the foothills. The mayor and police officials wanted to pretend none of it was happening, but they weren't allowed to continue the charade. Then the DOJ showed up with warrants and they had to cooperate or else. At least that police chief and mayor are now gone and we're hoping for better days.

This is how bad the legally-sanctioned murders got. The drug enforcement squad got together to make a bust at a local McDonald's at lunch time. A white drug squad officer was sitting in a drug squad vehicle with two black suspects and another white cop when he was shot 9 times at close range by another cop. The shooter knew the suspects were black and he directly violated protocol when he came up behind the wounded cop. He continued shooting when the wounded officer was crawling away begging him to stop shooting.

Although it cost Albuquerque taxpayers a $6.5 settlement plus all of the wounded officer's medical expenses and a lifelong paycheck, we have never been told the truth about the shooting or what motivated the shooter. Everyone I know figures it was about either sex or money.

This is what payback looks like in Albuquerque:

[video]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3518665/Oh-s-t-Jacob-horrifying-moment-cop-accidentally-shoots-undercover-colleague-NINE-times.html[/video]
 
Traveler said:
I have been wondering lately, what is wrong with some of these cops. I believe they actually enjoy hurting people in much the same way that school yard bullies enjoyed hurting people. Part of the definition of a psychopath is that they have no conscience.
The thought that cops kill people based on what the "suspect" MIGHT do in the future, as RPG stated, is terrifying.


"The thought that cops kill people based on what the "suspect" MIGHT do in the future, as RPG stated, is terrifying."

 That is BS & a spin on what I said & you know it........

I never said an officer shoots/kills on what a suspect might do. I said he shoots because the suspect defies

As I see it, the only way to stop the cops is to join protests and raise such a holy stink that the politicians will be forced to take action. If 50,000 people march on city hall, or the main cop shop, the media will also be forced to report on why ,every day people are protesting.
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"The thought that cops kill people based on what the "suspect" MIGHT do in the future, as RPG stated, is terrifying."

 That is BS & a spin on what I said & you know it........

I never said an officer shoots/kills because of what a suspect might do. I said he shoots because the suspect defies his order to stop, which is breaking yet another law.
 
Traveler said:
Wrong ! Every American citizen is in mortal danger of being murdered by the cops. During a traffic stop, the slightest twitch can get you killed.
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Might be some reality there....because the police are so on edge, due to people with an attitude such as yours.

Of course every American citizen is in danger of being hit on the head with a meteor as well....but neither are likely to happen.
 
This is a hornet's nest, stirred up. I will say, plain and simple, the cop deserved a longer sentence. He murdered the guy. You can NEVER assume that someone fleeing you has done something he deserves to be executed for.
 
I really don't want to get into an argument about this but I've read just about everything there is to read on this subject...there's no question about it IMO the Cop is a murderer plain and simple, and for once it has been taken seriously and he's been given the proper sentence...
 
rgp said:
How about he shot a fleeing suspect, that he had no idea what crime he may have just committed, or what crime he may commit , & on who if he gets away....

I'd rather bury the criminal BEFORE the crime, than bury the victim afterwards.....
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Traveler said
"The thought that cops kill people based on what the "suspect" MIGHT do in the future, as RPG stated, is terrifying."


RPG said
 That is BS & a spin on what I said & you know it........

I never said an officer shoots/kills because of what a suspect might do.


Traveler says,
RPG said twice that he would shoot a person, BEFORE the crime. It is precisely that kind of attitude which must be removed from all police agencies. It is that kind of attitude that causes cops to murder people. It is that kind of attitude which causes so many people, especially blacks, to be terrified of cops
 
Traveler said:
Traveler said
"The thought that cops kill people based on what the "suspect" MIGHT do in the future, as RPG stated, is terrifying."


RPG said
 That is BS & a spin on what I said & you know it........

I never said an officer shoots/kills because of what a suspect might do.


Traveler says,
RPG said twice that he would shoot a person, BEFORE the crime. It is precisely that kind of attitude which must be removed from all police agencies. It is that kind of attitude that causes cops to murder people. It is that kind of attitude which causes so many people, especially blacks, to be terrified of cops
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You're spinning again..

I never said he shot because he didn't know what the suspect may have done....I said he shot because the suspect was fleeing....

And I never said a single thing about me shooting anyone...

I said.....I would rather bury the criminal before the crime, than the victim afterwards.....DO NOT put words in my mouth !
 
hollydolly said:
I really don't want to get into an argument about this but I've read just about everything there is to read on this subject...there's no question about it IMO the Cop is a murderer plain and simple, and for once it has been taken seriously and he's been given the proper sentence...
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The evidence was there and the cop was guilty and like hollydolly it's good that for once an unjust murder by a cop comes to some kind of justice even if it wasn't enough. The man was stopped for a traffic violation and he shouldn't have run when he remembered he had a warrant for child support payments but he should not have been killed over this and what the cop did in the video is corrupt and common
https://youtu.be/7Xnaabg7Q7Q

https://youtu.be/CBg_gJXdlxY
 
rgp said:
I never said he shot because he didn't know what the suspect may have done....I said he shot because the suspect was fleeing....
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So, what do we have here ? RPG feels that a cop has every right to shoot people in the back just because they are running away. Hmm. A person is caught driving without a license, he gets scared and he runs ---- KILL HIM ! A person has a warrant on him for failure to appear in traffic court (broken headlight) he gets scared and he runs --- KILL HIM ! RPG feels it is perfectly alright to shoot people in the back for minor traffic offenses. What next RPG ? Do you advocate killing 16 year old kids who shop-lift, if they try to run ?
 
hollydolly said:
I really don't want to get into an argument about this but I've read just about everything there is to read on this subject...there's no question about it IMO the Cop is a murderer plain and simple, and for once it has been taken seriously and he's been given the proper sentence...
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OK, so I have read all of the posts and the referenced material. IMPO, this post is the most sensible. Traveler and rgp, both of you have little to no idea what it is that you are talking about. Neither of you know what the “rules” of engagement are and what protocol is to be followed. Most all police departments that I am aware of do have some sort of rules regarding when it is permissible for officers to draw their weapon and when they are permitted by department protocol as to when they are permitted to fire their weapon.

If I make a routine traffic stop for a burned out brake light, which is highly unlikely, but if I should, before I exit my vehicle, I will run his tag on my computer inside my car. If it comes back that there are no wants or warrants for the driver or the car was not stolen, I would then exit my car and if he would run, I’d let him run or I may give chase. If I don’t see a weapon, I would more than likely believe that he’s running because he has no license, insurance or other minor offense. You would not believe some of the reasons why people do what they do.

If if there was a “BOLO” or a warrant on the car or driver, that’s an all together different story and the procedure has now changed, including what I am trained to do with my weapon. (“BOLO is a Be On the Look Out.”)
 

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