No more US made cars??

Don M.

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central Missouri
Ford recently reported that they will begin to phase out Sedans in the U.S., keeping Only the Mustang, and a small crossover. Chrysler has already pretty much stopped selling sedans, and even GM is thinking about eliminating many of its cars. It seems that the trend is towards SUV's and Pickup trucks. However, there are still millions of people who just rely on their cars for basic transportation...going to/from work, and basic shopping....and don't need the extra cargo capacity of larger vehicles. Plus, even though fuel mileage has increased in most vehicles, in recent years, it is just a question of time before gas prices rise again. Personally, I think this decision will just drive more customers to the Toyota and Honda, etc., dealers, and leave many domestic dealers with a substantially reduced customer base.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ford-m...sion-taurus-fiesta-earnings-today-2018-04-25/
 

There were specific factors involved when Ford made their decision to stop producing the sedan. Many seniors and families have chosen to go the SUV or Crossover route when selecting a vehicle. For Seniors, getting in and out of an automobile has become a struggle for those with arthritis and other debilitating issues. For families, the old station wagon has now been replaced with either a SUV, Crossover or van. With having kids, it's a lot easier to haul them around, especially if they are carrying athletic equipment. When I look around at different parking lots, the majority of vehicles are SUV's and Crossovers. There's just too many "cars" sitting on lots with no buyers.

My wife has a SUV (Chevy Equinox) and I also drive a SUV (GMC Envoy). I have back issues and being 6'4" doesn't help when it comes to struggling to get out of my friend's Honda. It's much easier to step down when exiting from a SUV, then it is putting my feet on the pavement and trying to exit the vehicle by having to stand up. It's mainly painful at times.

I think cars will still be made in the U.S. There are those that prefer a sports car, or just a sedan. Hyundai has really come on strong, along with the old favorites of Toyota and Honda. My Dad made me promise that I'd never buy a foreign car, so I have kept that promise. Dad, being a career military man, still carries a grudge against the Japanese and Koreans. He fought, or should I say, "he was involved" in three different wars. All on foreign soil, so maybe he has earned the right to feel the way he does. When he was alive, I would occasionally make a mistake and bring up the subject and that's all he needed to get fired up.
 
Technically, no cars are totally made in the US if you consider parts and labor. Where I live, it's crazy how many SUVs there are. It's because they're family/pet/vacation friendly and good for carting supplies for projects. I think people's preferences are more about functionality these days.

Although the US is 2nd to Japan, there's no comparison to quality. Cars need to be reliable and Japan has the highest reliability (least repairs record). I understand competition is healthy for keeping prices in check but it doesn't work when you're putting out an inferior product. I have a 2003 Silver-Gray Lexus SUV (Lexus is made by Toyota) and it's as good as new. Almost 200,000 miles. Great repair history....minimal. I've always been responsible with regular maintenance though which helps.

Off-topic (sorry) but it's also crazy that most of the purchases for any cars these days, are all over the gray-scale from white to silver to grays to black. It's very rare to see a red or maroon car. And even rarer to see blue or green. And forget yellow, gold, beige, orange, or brown.

I always liked the Buttercream shade...

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The automobile business is truly a global business. Both domestic auto makers have a humongous presence overseas,and will continue to build cars for those markets. If production of sedans once again become profitable, the universal platform would just be brought here. Retooling plant could be done in a matter of months, just as it is done now when a plant shifts production.
 
I drive a Suburu Legacy, made here in the US. I found this online:

Currently the Subaru Impreza is built in Gunma, Japan, but Subaru parent Fuji Heavy Industries stated Tuesday that starting in 2016, the Impreza will be built here in the U.S., at the same Indiana plant where the Outback, Legacy, and Tribecas are currently made.
 
>>(from Ford's PR which Don M. linked) .....The changes include getting rid of all cars in the region during the next four years except for the Mustang sports car and a compact Focus crossover vehicle, CEO Jim Hackett said as the company released first-quarter earnings.
.....The decision, which Hackett said was due to declining demand and profitability, means Ford will no longer sell the Fusion midsize car, Taurus large car, CMax hybrid compact and Fiesta subcompact in the U.S., Canada and Mexico.>>

What CEO Hackett is doing is something that should have been done several years ago. Analysts could see it; heck, I could see it – and I like Fords.


  • Taurus: a great sedan in its day (I owned one and loved it for ten years), but that day ended back around 1990.
  • Fusion: owned a 2010 for 7 yrs. Not quite the Accord beater it needed to be. Decent, but oddly sized and got too far away from a good mid-priced driving experience that characterizes Honda, Acura, VW, Mazda.
  • CMax: Right size and mileage, but unlike the bigger Ford models reliability was poor. Can't win the Prius game that way.
  • Fiesta: This was always the 'overseas' car. Nobody with any sense would buy ANY American mfg subcompact. It's not their raison d'être, has never been a big profitable market segment, management hates them so any small car model is always an afterthought – a sop to mileage requirements.

Over the years we've bought Ford, Honda, Acura, Hyundai, Buick and Nissan. Loved the Acura, but some (not all, but some) of the Fords are easily the equal of the Honda and Hyundai. As the exchange rate see-saws to the US dollar, sometimes the advantage slides very heavily to US autos, assuming all else is equal.

The platform for the Fusion will continue to be used in the US. It's the base for their Escape and Edge SUV models (personal disclosure: I own the 2017 Edge Sport).

Also, saying that Japanese cars are superior in quality is an overstatement. Only Toyota and Honda made it into the Top 10 in CR's reliablity ratings*. Subaru managed a 6 ranking, but their most reliable car is the BRZ which is the joint Toyota/Subaru sportscar, of which Subaru sold a wimpy 4,131 in 2017 (in 2017 Ford sold 209K Fusions and Toyota sold 387K Camrys).

I live in an area where Subarus are common. I have never seen a single BRZ, ever.

BTW, selling sedans is not just Ford's problem. In Sept 2017 Honda unveiled its new Accord with big hoopla, saying it was hiring an additional 300 people in their US plant to handle increased production.

Here's what the markets thought of that: Wall Street Journal, April 27, 2018:

The Car of the Year That Few Americans Want
Despite winning North American Car of the Year at the Detroit auto show, sales lag for the Honda Accord

((excerpt) Sales of the Accord are down 12% in the first three months of the year compared with the corresponding period last year, when dealers were selling the old model. Meanwhile sales of its main competitor, Toyota Motor Corp.’s Camry, are up around 9%. That endangers Honda’s strategy of trying to grab a larger share of the shrinking sedan market and offset its inability to make enough sport-utility vehicles.

The company on Friday said its operating profit in North America fell 30% in the year ended March 31, and it said it would make some crossover sport-utility vehicles at an Ohio plant that makes Accords.

The problem is other Japanese car makers have the same idea—especially Toyota, which hopes it can expand its market share in sedans as competitors drop out.

Early signs suggest the winner is the car maker with the best deals—Toyota. The Accord, whose price starts at $23,570, had a 10% share of the midsize sedan market in the first three months of the year, while the Camry accounted for 15%, according to data from Jefferies. Toyota spent an estimated $2,557 on Camry incentives in March, compared with around $848 for the Honda Accord.

* Car brands reliability ratings, Consumer Reports: https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/
 
Futurist Tony Seba has been predicting that by 2030 95% of Americans won't own a private car and that the automobile industry as we know it will be in a death spiral followed closely by the oil industry.

Some very bold predictions but I think that we are moving in that direction.

I think that in the not too distant future the focus will be on the cheapest and most efficient way to move people and goods from one location to another and the days of having two or three vehicles sitting idle in the driveway will go the way of the big Detroit iron that our parents and grandparents were in love with.

Not sure if I should buy, lease or forego the next automobile purchase altogether.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next decade or so.
 
I like the large sedans! I am now thinking of getting another used one. I've never had a brand new car but have driven them...lol..
 
Every time I have bought a sedan, I have regretted it. Convertibles, station wagons and SUVs are far more useful and satisfying.
 
I drive a Suburu Legacy, made here in the US. I found this online:

Currently the Subaru Impreza is built in Gunma, Japan, but Subaru parent Fuji Heavy Industries stated Tuesday that starting in 2016, the Impreza will be built here in the U.S., at the same Indiana plant where the Outback, Legacy, and Tribecas are currently made.

My 2011 Forester is 100% made in Japan and has been a great car. The Crosstrek is still built in Japan.
 
Right now we're driving a loaner of a 2017 Ford Fusion hybrid. I owned a 2010 Fusion gas model so was interested in trying the hybrid. Agree with Manatee, just don't care for sedans. Getting in/out of the SUV is so much easier (outside of the fact the door is really heavy, lol).

Hybrid SUVs are a growing market and offer good mileage, although if they use a CVT there is a power curve tradeoff.
 


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