Seal hunting in CA - the pros and cons

It’s really simple- these various indigenous cultures have to join the rest of us in the 21st century.
 
perhaps you've got it the wrong way around - perhaps we should try to join them in their world more often?
 

I never said 'revert to' - read again what I really said was "join them in their world more often" ?
 
gumbud said:
I never said 'revert to' - read again what I really said was "join them in their world more often" ?
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The problem is, Dave, with the title of your thread: Seal hunting in CA - the pros and cons.

I, for one, do not go along with bludgeoning seals to death for food and therefore do not agree with joining indigenous cultures in their world in that way. However, "civilized" human societies might do well to visit slaughter houses and chicken factories to admit the inhumane treatment of the animals they eat from before they act holier than thou.
 
Olivia said:
The problem is, Dave, with the title of your thread: Seal hunting in CA - the pros and cons.

I, for one, do not go along with bludgeoning seals to death for food and therefore do not agree with joining indigenous cultures in their world in that way. However, "civilized" human societies might do well to visit slaughter houses and chicken factories to admit the inhumane treatment of the animals they eat from before they act holier than thou.
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Amen.
 
There are no "pros," whatsoever, to seal hunting or the killing of any living creature that is not intent on taking your life or the life of another human being.
 
Well thanks for views and comments so far - I did further research and discovered to my amazement that First Nation persons of CA DO NOT go around clubbing young seals:
[FONT=&quot]M. Tarkirk, an Inuit man fromKuujjuak, Quebec:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Weare skillful hunters who hunt adult animals for food, That is not the same asbashing a pup, which can’t move, over the head.”[/FONT]
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so it seems that it is the non- Indigenous hunters who enjoy clubbing young seals to death not the First Nation people??

http://liberationbc.org/2009/02/native-people-and-the-seal-hunt/.

It only took me 5 mins to find this information on the net and I live at the other side of the globe??
 
treeguy64 said:
There are no "pros," whatsoever, to seal hunting or the killing of any living creature that is not intent on taking your life or the life of another human being.
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Are all the poor little insects we crush to death when we walk outdoors? "If God did not want them sheard he would not have made them sheep".
 
Olivia said:
The problem is, Dave, with the title of your thread: Seal hunting in CA - the pros and cons.

I, for one, do not go along with bludgeoning seals to death for food and therefore do not agree with joining indigenous cultures in their world in that way. However, "civilized" human societies might do well to visit slaughter houses and chicken factories to admit the inhumane treatment of the animals they eat from before they act holier than thou.
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So, so, so, so very true. I've heard it said that if slaughterhouse and dairy walls were made of glass we would all be vegans.
 
the way it looks, none of you ever had to hunt or fish for your own meat .. when you have to clean what you shoot, trap or catch along with what you harvest from your own garden you feel a little different than what most or you people are talking about
 
Joe Shooter said:
the way it looks, none of you ever had to hunt or fish for your own meat .. when you have to clean what you shoot, trap or catch along with what you harvest from your own garden you feel a little different than what most or you people are talking about
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You got that right, Joe
yessir
 
Joe Shooter said:
the way it looks, none of you ever had to hunt or fish for your own meat .. when you have to clean what you shoot, trap or catch along with what you harvest from your own garden you feel a little different than what most or you people are talking about
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In what way, Joe or Gary? How do you feel about it?
 
StarSong said:
In what way, Joe or Gary? How do you feel about it?
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I can only speak for me;

Get hungry
hunt
catch/shoot
field dress
hang
age (some do some don't)
skin
clean
butcher
keep (smoke or freeze or can or jerk)
eat
nothing much sporting about it for me
it's more chore than joy
I don't care to off anything
but, it's there
it's called meat

it's a much different life than going to the store

fish, well, that's much different for me
they make it sport...sorta
 
Catch, kill, eat, I get. Where is the sport in torturing something that you will no doubt conquer? Why should it suffer needlessly? I will never understand the buzz some feel engaging in a prolonged battle with a fish fighting desperately for its life. I call it sadistic.
 
Gary O' said:
I can only speak for me;

Get hungry
hunt
catch/shoot
field dress
hang
age (some do some don't)
skin
clean
butcher
keep (smoke or freeze or can or jerk)
eat
nothing much sporting about it for me
it's more chore than joy
I don't care to off anything
but, it's there
it's called meat

it's a much different life than going to the store

fish, well, that's much different for me
they make it sport...sorta
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Thank you for explaining. A direct connection with the animals you eat must be quite different from the sanitized experience of buying frozen hamburger patties or chicken breasts at Costco.

I have moral difficulties with the factory farm industry and the horrific conditions under which food-producing animals are raised, fed, antibiotic-filled, killed and processed. Therefore I am a vegetarian who's nearly a full vegan. However, I understand and respect your position about hunting for sustenance.
 
Shalimar said:
Catch, kill, eat, I get. Where is the sport in torturing something that you will no doubt conquer? Why should it suffer needlessly? I will never understand the buzz some feel engaging in a prolonged battle with a fish fighting desperately for its life. I call it sadistic.
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I have to admit, I do get a rush when a hawg hits my line

Thing is, some folk consider fish to be deep thinking, feeling beings, nurturing their young like their warm blooded brethren.
and if they are, then what must they be thinking when they eat each other?
Caught a rather large cutthroat trout after it swallowed the barely legal one on my hook.

I'll be outside

hungry
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"[FONT=&quot]When God gave humanity dominion over the animals, it was in order to care for, tend to, and use those animals to their fullest potential in a just manner. At the time that God gave mankind dominion over the animals, humans did not eat meat ([/FONT]Genesis 1:29[FONT=&quot]). Eating meat did not begin until after the Flood ([/FONT]Genesis 9:1–3[FONT=&quot]), and it was at that time that animals started to fear humans. However, although God changed the way we interact with animals, in that they are now “meat,” we still bear a responsibility to treat animals humanely. Human rule over animals does not mean we have the right to mistreat or misuse those animals."

and it continues:

https://www.gotquestions.org/dominion-over-animals.html

I hadn't realized that before the so called flood people didn't eat meat but after did?? it seems that the human race started off life by decree of God as vegetarians !

oh dear this may open up a can of worms - good for fishing but not really for cooking?[/FONT]
 
Shalimar said:
I can’t read the mind of a fish, it is about my values, not theirs. In my book, sport is among equals. Have a lovely evening.
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I get what yer saying, Shalie

I have an internal struggle with some things
Raised to catch fish from three or four
Fished most everday from then to my early teens
Not sure I ever considered it sport
But there's a joy
 
Once, during my childhood, after being put somewhere where there was no food and little water, I was able to catch and kill a small animal. I sang it a lullaby as it died, thanked it for giving me my first meal in four days. Blessed its spirit. Then, I wept. I promised it that in recognition of its sacrifice I would honour all animals, and never wear fur. I was ten years old. I have kept that promise. I still weep at the memory of this. Every year I burn sage as a reminder.
 
I used to have a mate who could trickle trout - an amazing fete - they came out of the river alive and undamaged and I think just left on the bank until they went to sleep??
 
Shalimar said:
Once, during my childhood, after being put somewhere where there was no food and little water, I was able to catch and kill a small animal. I sang it a lullaby as it died, thanked it for giving me my first meal in four days. Blessed its spirit. Then, I wept. I promised it that in recognition of its sacrifice I would honour all animals, and never wear fur. I was ten years old. I have kept that promise. I still weep at the memory of this. Every year I burn sage as a reminder.
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sounds tribal
I do some of that


A lady down the path told me rather emphatically that trees scream when they are cut down.
Can’t say whether they do or not, as I wear the ear muffs when using the chain saw.
Didn’t show her my wood pile
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Maybe spinach winces when we pull their little leaf arms off…

Bottom line, I’m not out to torture things.
I do find a joy in providing.
And have come to enjoy the hunt.

I enjoy wood chopping too

But only after meditation
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(sometimes called psyching myself up)
 
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