Rename Austin Texas ??

KingsX

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I have always loved history, while knowing that the victors get to write the history.
I have learned that even in ancient Egypt, the winners would also rewrite history
[by removing certain names and events from their records and their monuments.]


As Orwell said in his famous novel, "1984"

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten,
every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building
has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process
is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped.
Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.


Instead of being warned by "1984", the winners are using it as a blueprint.



Rename Austin? City report on Confederate monuments raises idea

" Known as both the "father of Texas" and the namesake of the state's capital, Stephen F. Austin carved out the early outlines of Texas among his many accomplishments.

He also opposed an attempt by Mexico to ban slavery in the province of Tejas and said if slaves were freed, they would turn into vagabonds, a nuisance and a menace.

For that reason, the city of Austin's Equity Office suggested renaming the city in a report about existing Confederate monuments that was published this week. "

https://www.statesman.com/news/loca...monuments-raises-idea/SencWWAWNvMHqCtCnEnpFM/
 

IMO it's nonsense to try to change/hide/sanitize our past.

For me, it doesn't matter if it is in the form of statues, words, place names, buildings, books, paintings, movies, etc...

We need to understand our past, learn from it and move on.

Having said this I understand that I'm on the way out and a new generation is on the way in so I will leave it up to them to decide what is best for them and their children.
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO it's nonsense to try to change/hide/sanitize our past.

For me, it doesn't matter if it is in the form of statues, words, place names, buildings, books, paintings, movies, etc...

We need to understand our past, learn from it and move on.

Having said this I understand that I'm on the way out and a new generation is on the way in so I will leave it up to them to decide what is best for them and their children.
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Looking at the current world disorder, I am glad to be old and on my way out.

I'd rather sleep in death with my ancestors [one of whom fought in the Texas Revoluton]
than live in the PC morass that is being inherited by children today.
 

IMO, Anything that attempts to rewrite History will eventually prove to be unwise. All this recent Hoopla over removing Confederate monuments, etc., is Not in the nation's best interest. There's an old saying that says something like "Those who fail to understand History are Doomed to repeat it".

We're reaching the point where Political Correctness is becoming more important than Reality.
 
I so upset by this I can not type. I agree with other posters that history happened. To cover it whatever is only a way to make us forget what really happened.
 
ProsperosDaughter said:
I so upset by this I can not type. I agree with other posters that history happened. To cover it whatever is only a way to make us forget what really happened.
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I am still upset about our tax dollars spent on removing the statues!!! My life is not any better today!!!Take a vote to see if the majority wants the change, then ask THEM how THEY are going to pay for all that is involved!!
 
I wonder, what did countries such as Germany and Russia do about all the statues, streets, plazas, etc. named after various dictators? Have the names been changed? Any history of European cities changing their
names?

Our local football team, the Washington Redskins recently had a big brouhaha about their name, which some people find offensive. But the name is very popular with the fans. After much noise being made about
changing it, the whole issue seems to have died down.
 
Sunny said:
I wonder, what did countries such as Germany and Russia do about all the statues, streets, plazas, etc. named after various dictators? Have the names been changed? Any history of European cities changing their
names?

Our local football team, the Washington Redskins recently had a big brouhaha about their name, which some people find offensive. But the name is very popular with the fans. After much noise being made about
changing it, the whole issue seems to have died down.
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Yes, Germany and Russia certainly did pull down statues, swastikas, etc. Changed cities names back to Czarist Russia from soviet.

One example of Lenin- there are many more

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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pulling+down+statues+of+lenin&t=ffab&atb=v90-7&iax=images&ia=images
 
Sunny said:
I wonder, what did countries such as Germany and Russia do about all the statues, streets, plazas, etc. named after various dictators? Have the names been changed? Any history of European cities changing their
names?
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Hitler's Third Reich was totally erased from Germany. Words and images are now illegal.

When the bolsheviks conquered Russia, they changed laws, removed statues, renamed cities, etc.
After the USSR fell, many bolshevik images and statues fell and names of cities were changed back.
For example, St Petersburg [original name] changed to Leningrad then changed back to St Petersburg.
 
So then, why all the weeping in this country about reversing the honors bestowed on a man who was a big promoter of slavery?
 
Sunny said:
So then, why all the weeping in this country about reversing the honors bestowed on a man who was a big promoter of slavery?
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Stephen F Austin was a founding father of the Republic of Texas... most of them were pro-slavery... as were most of the American founding fathers.

Do you think the history, culture and founding fathers of all slave-owning nations should be erased? That would include most of the nations in world history.

Do you think the Bible [which also promotes slavery] should be banned ??

Speaking of the Bible... Bible prophecy tells us that at the end of this evil age, the "power of God's holy people will be totally broken." At the same time, Gog/Magog will send in his global hordes for the final destruction of the "camp of the saints", the homelands of God's people. This is what is happening today.
 
What is next, pulling all references to things we do not like from school history books? So future generations will know nothing about our past? Think about it, history lessons with no mention of the Confederates or slavery..meaning no mention at all of the Civil War. No mention of Hitler, the NAZIs an concentration camps. May as well erase 9/11 and Pearl Harbor too.
 
Maybe because it would be HUGELY inconvenient, a real hassle and may be very expensive to change all the addresses. I really don't know/

I just looked at this from 2014:

For more than 300 years, the Russian city of Volgograd was known as Tsaritsyn. It was dubbed Stalingrad in honour of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin for a mere 26 years, but then his successor Nikita Khrushchev dropped that name as part of his campaign to dismantle the personality cult of the former dictator.

3 name changes!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/08/stalingrad-name-may-return-to-russian-city
 
Sunny said:
So then, why all the weeping in this country about reversing the honors bestowed on a man who was a big promoter of slavery?
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Should we erase George Washington from the history of our nation because he owned slaves or should we tear down the White House because it was built using slave labor?

IMO it's better to acknowledge the inescapable facts and learn from our past like Michelle Obama chose to do when she made this speech.

"That is the story of this country, the story that has brought me to this stage tonight, the story of generations of people who felt the lash of bondage, the shame of servitude, the sting of segregation, but who kept on striving and hoping and doing what needed to be done so that today, I wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves—and I watch my daughters—two beautiful, intelligent, Black young women—playing with their dogs on the White House lawn." - Michelle Obama
 
I once heard a quote that history not remembered will be repeated (or something like that). I get upset when all of a sudden names are offensive, statues are offensive, flags are offensive. Yes, many of them are but why not move them to a museum with a plaque or something saying "this was the flag that flew over this state in 1865" and then explain what it really represented.

I hate that so much history is hidden because it's too offensive. I grew up in Colorado seventy miles east of a Japanese internment camp that was established during WW2. I never even knew about it until I was sixty and I happened to find it by accident. That was never taught in our Colorado history class. There was also a huge massacre that took place near Trinidad, Colorado. It was in relation to coal mining and the government essentially slaughtered women, children, men. That was never taught in our history class. I found out about this event from a friend who read the book George McGovern wrote about it: "The Great Coalfield War." That is hidden history where specific groups of people were targeted. Isn't that what is happening today? Perhaps if history wasn't so easily manipulated there would be more understanding.

Will we have to change the name of the Sangre de Cristo mountains in Colorado (which means blood of Christ) because the name offends an atheist? Will I have to change my name because it is Hebrew?

As for Austin I say keep the name but make sure that every student in Texas has been taught all there is to know about the man the city was named after, the good and the bad especially since Austin is the state capital. Once our young people learn the bad as well as the good in relation to country and the world then perhaps they won't repeat the bad parts of history. (I keep hoping anyway).
 
Of course history must not be erased or "cleaned up." But at the same time, that doesn't mean that everyone who led a war has to be honored either. There have been people, including in this country, who have done terrible things. I don't think they have to be permanently honored because other people followed them.

Somebody mentioned the Japanese internment camps. That was a disgraceful mistreatment of Japanese-American citizens during WW2. When I lived in Washington state, from which a lot of
popular, well-liked folks had been deported (and some returned after the war to rebuild their homes and farms), a park in my community was built and dedicated in honor of those Japanese people.
(Some of them were third generation Americans who had sons fighting in the war!) There are statues, poems, etc., and the whole history of what took place there is in plain sight. But the park was not named for whatever member of the military decided that these perfectly innocent people should have their lives ruined by being deported for no reason. It is called the Bainbridge Island Japanese American Exclusion Memorial. The local people of Japanese extraction had a big part in dedicating the park, and felt honored, rather than insulted.

In the case of slaveholders, I think the way people feel about it depends on what part of the country they live in. (Plus their race, of course.) There aren't too many Robert E. Lee statues up north.
 
I'm not opposed to having some of the civil war statues removed. Move them off their high pedistals and put them in a museum. However where do you draw a line? Every person in the United States named Austin needs to change their name? I'm sure their are some black men named Austin. What are they to do?

Lets acknowledge and teach history, not erase it and turn it into some SJW eutopia which isn't real and doesn't exist. Reminds me of why Forrest Gump was named Forrest.
 
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