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applecruncher said:
Neswflash: racism has nothing to do with obeying what a cop says.

As I've said before, it goes way beyond that. Blockheads pretending they don't realize that does not change diddly squat.

btw most welfare recipients and tax evaders are WHITE. :whome:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-welfare-black-white-780252?amp=1
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"racism has nothing to do with obeying what a cop says."

Never said it did...I said if they would obey the LAW...their problems would be far fewer.

"btw most welfare recipients and tax evaders are WHITE."


I never said that either, I merely said that we all should .

"Blockheads pretending they don't realize that does not change diddly squat."

And if the 'blockhead' remark is aimed at me?.....Let's talk about morons that refuse to see that behaving does indeed matter.
 

Gary O' said:
It would be true…in a nice world

Unfortunately, here on earth, some behind the badge, or in authority, interpret ‘the law’ a bit differently for those of another color.
I found this so in the south, over fifty years ago.

I could be quite explicit as to events I witnessed, but it serves no purpose here.

As this thread has proved my take on threads concerning race issues;
Nobody does a forehead slap, and reverses their thinking.
They just state their stance….over…and over….and over again.

I would like to think there are less racists these days
…I would like to

Can't
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I repeat my stance because it is what I see daily & have seen all my life.

"Unfortunately, here on earth, some behind the badge, or in authority, interpret ‘the law’ a bit differently for those of another color.
I found this so in the south, over fifty years ago."

I couldn't disagree more....
 
Gary O' said:
It would be true…in a nice world

Unfortunately, here on earth, some behind the badge, or in authority, interpret ‘the law’ a bit differently for those of another color.
I found this so in the south, over fifty years ago.

I could be quite explicit as to events I witnessed, but it serves no purpose here.

As this thread has proved my take on threads concerning race issues;
Nobody does a forehead slap, and reverses their thinking.
They just state their stance….over…and over….and over again.

I would like to think there are less racists these days
…I would like to

Can't
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I don’t live in the U.S. and don’t really follow the news but I think one would have to have their head in the sand to not acknowledge extreme racism the further south you go. I’ve got a friend who lives in Oklahoma and from what she tells me, racism down there is off the charts. Some of the stories she tells me are like movie themes but they are really happening.

I feel very fortunate to live in a less racist part of the world and really feel for those who have to deal with racism on a daily base. My in laws are black and deal with racism. It’s VERY real.
 

Keesha said:
I don’t live in the U.S. and don’t really follow the news but I think one would have to have their head in the sand to not acknowledge extreme racism the further south you go. I’ve got a friend who lives in Oklahoma and from what she tells me, racism down there is off the charts. Some of the stories she tells me are like movie themes but they are really happening.

I feel very fortunate to live in a less racist part of the world and really feel for those who have to deal with racism on a daily base. My in laws are black and deal with racism. It’s VERY real.
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Just what is racism too you / your in laws?
 
I'm not sure that whites or minorities receive most govt. welfare benefits, but I think rather that most poor people do.

Along with huge corporations that also siphon off billions in government give-a-ways, always by our bought and paid for legislators. The latter being the more criminal in my mind as that is pure greed and has nothing to do with family survival.
 
rgp said:
Just what is racism too you / your in laws?
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What is racism to me?
It means that one race believes their race to be superior to another’s race so treat them with this judgement in mind.
What racism means to my in laws you’d have to ask them. My own parents are prejudiced against my own sister in law and it’s most certainly based on her colour. The things she says I’m embarrassed by and since she’s starting to become a bit lucid I almost feel like I’ve got to be extra careful what she might let slip out. My mother has kicked a Pakistan woman in the behind at a store before because the person was in front of her at the cash register line up. I’ve told her she’s lucky she wasn’t charged with assault which she laughs at.

I try very hard not to be prejudice against any race but at times I fail too.
Its sometimes difficult to be completely unbiased but that’s the brutal truth about humanity.
We’re FAR from perfect.
 
I will also say that I’m exceptionally proud of my biracial niece who is an airplane mechanic. She is the only woman working at the airport and she is consistently getting promoted. She doesn’t allow racism to interfere with her life’ goals & plans. She’s a real trouper; has more power tools than her dad. YES!!! :yes: Did I mention just how PROUD I am of her? Lol
 
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As Jesus said about the end of this age... society today is a repeat of the evil "days of Noah" and "days of Lot"... and will share the same fate.
 
applecruncher said:
Newsflash: racism has little to do with obeying what a cop says.

As I've said before, it goes way beyond that. Those pretending they don't realize that does not change diddly squat.

btw most welfare recipients and tax evaders are WHITE. :whome:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-welfare-black-white-780252?amp=1
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applecruncher said:
Whites are and always have received most govt welfare benefits.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-whites/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a49b53a1685b

Sad that some are too ashamed to admit it. :(
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The racism issue aside, using the numbers this way is misleading. In the US the majority of people are white, so it stands to reason that white's would be at the top of most any category you want to use. The only way to make these numbers a true view of each segment of the population is to use "per capita" numbers for each group involved.

DaveA said:
I'm not sure that whites or minorities receive most govt. welfare benefits, but I think rather that most poor people do.

Along with huge corporations that also siphon off billions in government give-a-ways, always by our bought and paid for legislators. The latter being the more criminal in my mind as that is pure greed and has nothing to do with family survival.
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You hit the nail on the head Dave, it's more about economics than it is anything else. Poor people receive the most welfare benefits, have higher crime rates, lower levels of education, etc. Until this aspect is corrected, the cycle will keep repeating itself.
 
rgp said:
I repeat my stance because it is what I see daily & have seen all my life.

"Unfortunately, here on earth, some behind the badge, or in authority, interpret ‘the law’ a bit differently for those of another color.
I found this so in the south, over fifty years ago."

I couldn't disagree more....
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Somehow that makes me feel good
 
JimW said:
The racism issue aside, using the numbers this way is misleading. In the US the majority of people are white, so it stands to reason that white's would be at the top of most any category you want to use. The only way to make these numbers a true view of each segment of the population is to use "per capita" numbers for each group involved.



You hit the nail on the head Dave, it's more about economics than it is anything else. Poor people receive the most welfare benefits, have higher crime rates, lower levels of education, etc. Until this aspect is corrected, the cycle will keep repeating itself.
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Much of what you say revolves around education, as you noted. So just how do we correct this?

{We} cannot change a persons self respect / self esteem . Only they can do that , and until [they] do....nothing will change.

We have kids that admire the local drug dealer as being successful. They even emulate them in their behavior & dress. As long as that continues , nothing changes.

There is a mood in this country that continues to take a 'softer' approach to law enforcement. IMO that is exactly the reverse of what is needed .

Two improvements IMO, either legalize most wanted drugs, which will remove their street value, which will make the dealers look for another way. Or YES I'll say it, make drug dealing a capital punishment crime....and DO NOT let them sit in prison for decades, filling appeals....put the needle in their arm.
 
rgp said:
Much of what you say revolves around education, as you noted. So just how do we correct this?

{We} cannot change a persons self respect / self esteem . Only they can do that , and until [they] do....nothing will change.

We have kids that admire the local drug dealer as being successful. They even emulate them in their behavior & dress. As long as that continues , nothing changes.

There is a mood in this country that continues to take a 'softer' approach to law enforcement. IMO that is exactly the reverse of what is needed .

Two improvements IMO, either legalize most wanted drugs, which will remove their street value, which will make the dealers look for another way. Or YES I'll say it, make drug dealing a capital punishment crime....and DO NOT let them sit in prison for decades, filling appeals....put the needle in their arm.
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There is no easy answer to this problem and it cannot be done quickly, if at all. I believe (as you stated) it all starts with better education, which eventually leads to better jobs and more income. It will also require a mindset change for an entire class of people who have been born into poverty and see no way out. I know one thing for sure, to have any chance at achieving this goal it will require an enormous sum of taxpayer money and that will be a very large stumbling block right out of the gate. Sadly, it's cheaper (short term) to keep people poor than it is to attempt to remedy the situation.

The drug problem is another complex situation with no easy answers. I do not agree that drug dealing should be a capital crime.
 
applecruncher said:
No. The thread topic is racism. Trying to inject economics doesn't change the facts.

Smoke and mirrors. :whome:
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It doesn't matter what topic is being discussed. When you attempt to show which demographic of people use more of a certain gov't subsidy, you must use per capita numbers to have any realistic outcome. If you don't use per capita numbers, then most of the outcomes will go to the demographic with the highest population.

To say that white's as a whole have received the most welfare benefits in the US is no different than saying people that have a drivers license have the most auto accidents. Both are very obvious because they have the highest percentages of people in that category. When you break it down into per capita numbers, the outcomes can be very different. When white's make up over 76% of the US population and blacks make up almost 14% of the US population, it's pretty much a no brainer that white's will use more of just about anything over blacks as a whole.
 
JimW said:
There is no easy answer to this problem and it cannot be done quickly, if at all. I believe (as you stated) it all starts with better education, which eventually leads to better jobs and more income. It will also require a mindset change for an entire class of people who have been born into poverty and see no way out. I know one thing for sure, to have any chance at achieving this goal it will require an enormous sum of taxpayer money and that will be a very large stumbling block right out of the gate. Sadly, it's cheaper (short term) to keep people poor than it is to attempt to remedy the situation.

The drug problem is another complex situation with no easy answers. I do not agree that drug dealing should be a capital crime.
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"I know one thing for sure, to have any chance at achieving this goal it will require an enormous sum of taxpayer money"

Why?....why should [we] be required to pay even more? Why can't they go to the same schools we did?

How'bout we bring back truancy regulations? And truancy officers? And truancy punishment that INCLUDES the parents? Go to school , or go to juvenile detention. Sentence the parents to community service? Or after hours service [in] the school.
 
rgp said:
"I know one thing for sure, to have any chance at achieving this goal it will require an enormous sum of taxpayer money"

Why?....why should [we] be required to pay even more? Why can't they go to the same schools we did?

How'bout we bring back truancy regulations? And truancy officers? And truancy punishment that INCLUDES the parents? Go to school , or go to juvenile detention. Sentence the parents to community service? Or after hours service [in] the school.
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I'm not saying this as an insult, so please don't take it that way. I think your mindset towards the problem (which is a popular one) is part of the problem. You are discounting the problem right from the start by thinking everyone has the same opportunities that you or I had, they simply don't. We are talking about changing the socioeconomic status of approx 43 million people that have lived in poverty for multiple generations. There is no template for this and there is no "one size fits all". To say "they should do it like we did" would keeping the status quo and that's not working.
 
Interesting how a thread on the question of does racism still exist becomes a thread targeted toward one particular group of people as being less than and needing assistance from the govt.

We could easily turn this into asking about hill people or slap labels of lowest levels of humanity as those being some of the worst drug users and how much govt assistance must be used to clean up these communities to set many youth and adults back on track. Places where crime lurks around many corners or quietly in homes where it's only whispered about as not to shame rich families, areas where you won't see hardly one person of color. But still where horrendous crimes are committed to procure these drugs by sellers and users.

We can go all kinds of ways off topic, but, it won't change the fact that racism exist no matter how much a few want to skirt the issue to blame those who experience for no reason other than the skin their in and nothing else. The reasons vary from person to person, are there some people who bring on problems to themselves, nobody denies that, but the overall issues of racism started and continue for reasons other that the reasons some are trying to deflect the topic to. But good try.
 
AprilT said:
Interesting how a thread on the question of does racism still exist becomes a thread targeted toward one particular group of people as being less than and needing assistance from the govt.

We could easily turn this into asking about hill people or slap labels of lowest levels of humanity as those being some of the worst drug users and how much govt assistance must be used to clean up these communities to set many youth and adults back on track. Places where crime lurks around many corners or quietly in homes where it's only whispered about as not to shame rich families, areas where you won't see hardly one person of color. But still where horrendous crimes are committed to procure these drugs by sellers and users.

We can go all kinds of ways off topic, but, it won't change the fact that racism exist no matter how much a few want to skirt the issue to blame those who experience for no reason other than the skin their in and nothing else. The reasons vary from person to person, are there some people who bring on problems to themselves, nobody denies that, but the overall issues of racism started and continue for reasons other that the reasons some are trying to deflect the topic to. But good try.
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I think it depends on what you want to take away from this thread. I see mostly positive comments about the racism issue in this tread, most people including myself have agreed that racism exists and is still a problem. There will always be detractors for any issue, but they are certainly not the majority here. To think that a thread about racism would not break off into sub-topics and/or turn negative at some point is a bit naive imo.
 
JimW said:
I think it depends on what you want to take away from this thread. I see mostly positive comments about the racism issue in this tread, most people including myself have agreed that racism exists and is still a problem. There will always be detractors for any issue, but they are certainly not the majority here. To think that a thread about racism would not break off into sub-topics and/or turn negative at some point is a bit naive imo.
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And if that's your only take away from what I wrote , then I would say I'm not the one who's naive. However, you are as welcome to your opinion as any other.
 
AprilT said:
Interesting how a thread on the question of does racism still exist becomes a thread targeted toward one particular group of people as being less than and needing assistance from the govt.
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Which pretty much proves that racism exists.
 
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