Hospitals MUST Do Surgeries!!

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jaminhealth

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Time to wake up the crowd...I've posted my latest "critical thinking" piece on another group and thought I'd place it here too.


It's their bread and butter and keeping the hospital in the green and operating at capacity. And as we know there are MANY types of surgeries, Emergency, Surgeries for Issues That Are Not Emergency and Elective. These Elective are a Major portion today as more and more joint replacements are done than ever before and with good results for many and NOT good results for plenty. And then the long recovery, rehabs and who knows what else could be needed post op.

My gripe has been that Prolo, PRP and Stem Cells are not covered by insurance....and I do believe they work if a person is given enough sessions for starters. Often people try 1 or 2 sessions and they don't work and the people can't afford anymore so they stop and end up with Elective joint surgeries.

I'm doing all in my power to avoid any more elective joint surgery.

I had an appt with a PRP/Stem cell MD next week and ended up cancelling it as I know I cannot afford the PRP sessions that could be needed -- I sent him an email explaining why I'm cancelling and said "can't you providers put more pressure on the insurance world to help here"...

So today he didn't mention my email but did say about the insurance and how hospitals NEED to continue the assembly line of joint surgeries to stay in the green.

The least favorite place for me to want to go to is the hospital, for any reason.

Anyway, some here will agree and I know many will not....but that's OK.


After some replies that liked this info and those who attacked it, I came back with this comment:


Bottom line to it all: Hospitals have invested Billions/Millions$$$ in surgical equipment, suites, nurses, assistants, drugs etc etc and they have to use those investments.

The changes would be less surgeries if Prololo (Regenerative Medicine) were acknowledged by the insurance world. Talk about savings to that industry,,,,,

For all those joint surgeries, replacements of every joint, Prolo could eliminate all that surgery and costs. And misery of healing etc. Talking about acl, meniscus issues -- well Prolo and PRP could fix those very very easily and of course so much less money.

Hospitals are still needed for cancers and all other major diseases and where other surgeries are needed. Prolo doesn't work but with musculoskeletal system.

So many here don't want to see this or won't but I do and Regenerative Medicine is here to stay and spreading more and more in the world. More and more doctors are getting on this healing program that has been around for centuries, not new.


At this time in my life I love to dig deeper into so much that I feel passionate about. So so many scream and bellyache about the high costs of insurance and medical care and keep running to the doctor for every pain, pimple and bump that might hit them....I will do IF I've exhausted Dr. Google. l
 

Yes, I do feel bad for so many (Senior's) that can't get good help in a Hospital...I'll tell a little story....When my husband was diagnosed with Cancer it was devastating...At the time he was going to his
Cardiologist every 3 months....When he went for his check up, his blood work was very low and he was anemic...Hubby had to see a surgeon....We didn't wait long cause hubby had a feeling he wasn't
doing good....When we went to the surgeon he went through all of his medical History, which the cardiologist sent to him...The Surgeon knew right away my husband had Cancer...I won't say how he knew
it's kind of private....Hubby went through Chemo and Radiation for 2 month's or more...Then my daughter researched Hospital's....The reason we did that is because the Hospital where hubby had
chemo didn't have a Robotic Surgery....My husband wanted that, he researched....My daughter was a very good help for a couple of months'...She found the best Hospital that she searched for....
Now, sometimes people can't get into Hospital's if they want the best care....My husband got into a New York City Hospital because we had the best Medical Coverage....And the Surgeon was the head
Surgeon....He had Robotic Surgery in the Hospital....I never knew that some Hospital's could refuse because they don't have the best medical coverage....

So my grandson was talking to someone he works with about my husband and the person asked what Hospital did he have the surgery....My grandson told him, and the person said, Wow, He must/ve had great
Medical coverage or else they can not take you in, or they could not do Robotic surgery with their condition....(I was flawed, I never knew this) thank the lord we had the Medical Coverage we have....
What do people do if they are poor and have no coverage....????
 
Peppermint: I'm talking about a totally different subject but thanks for your comments. Did you read my report.

Insurance costs are a huge issue but that's not what this post is about. It's about needless unnecessary surgeries that could be avoided by doing Prolo and PRP and Stem Cells and have insuraance help those who do it.
 

I don't know anything about needless unnecessary surgeries....All I know, if you don't have good Medical Ins.
forget about it!!! And it depends on what Hospital you go to....

I'll be careful in the future...
 
Pepprtmint, I'm glad your husband was able to get the surgery he needed for his cancer and your health insurance covered it, very important consideration for those suffering with serious diseases.
 
jaminhealth said:
I should have known better to even post what I did, everyone is missing the message so far.
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I'm not missing your message at all, some alternative treatments that are not main stream are not covered my standard medical insurance. Until these treatments are covered for patients, then they will seek any surgeries and medications that are currently available. I agree there are some changes that are needed to offer more alternatives, but until then, folks will do what they need to for themselves and their loved ones.
 
Yes yes yes, the cost of Prolo and PRP/Stem Cells are a fraction of what invasive and perhaps damaging surgery is doing with these joint surgeries and replacements. $25K or so replacements and who knows post op costs and the outcomes. Prolo is as little as $200 or so a session and the other two go up in cost and never near surgery and a person "walks out of doc's office"....no rehabs and fear of the unknown left from the surgery.

I know this as I've done the THR and live with major complications and have gotten Prolo and know it does work, just needs more than one session and MOST won't spend the money.
 
American medicine is about pills and procedures as the norm when in fact it should the absolute last resort unless a clear cut repair like stitches and putting someone back together after an injury etc.
 
WhatInThe said:
American medicine is about pills and procedures as the norm when in fact it should the absolute last resort unless a clear cut repair like stitches and putting someone back together after an injury etc.
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Could NOT agree stronger. That is WHY so much surgery could be avoided with Prolo and PRP/Stem Cells. It works I've had it done. But it's out of pocket.

Surgeries continue with the knees, backs, shoulders, feet....when Prolo work could regenerate it all.
 
jujube said:
My mother spent a fortune on prolo and it did her no good at all. I'm sure it works well for some people but not all.
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It's helped me and I know it CAN work and save us from these surgeries. My shoulder got 3 yrs of pain relief with one session of 8 jabs in various spots on shoulder. Could depend a lot on provider too. That session cost me about $200 as I recall from 10 yrs ago.

I check into replacement groups now and then, and problems continue to be reported from those getting the replacements. People not being able to bend their knee(s) after some yrs. I can bend my knee and even the problem one, so to surgery that, scares the H out of me. I could come out worse...more trauma.
 
The U.S. health care system is ALL About Money. As such, there is very little emphasis on Preventative Care...which most other nations stress. If the system can hook a patient on expensive drugs, or questionable surgeries, that adds to the profits for the shareholders of the corporations that dictate policy here.

Last night, 60 Minutes aired a piece where they interviewed the guy who spearheaded the lawsuits on the Tobacco Industry. He is now directing his efforts at the Opioid manufacturers and distributors....I hope he has the same amount of success with them that he did with the cigarette makers.
 
jaminhealth said:
It's helped me and I know it CAN work and save us from these surgeries. My shoulder got 3 yrs of pain relief with one session of 8 jabs in various spots on shoulder. Could depend a lot on provider too. That session cost me about $200 as I recall from 10 yrs ago.

I check into replacement groups now and then, and problems continue to be reported from those getting the replacements. People not being able to bend their knee(s) after some yrs. I can bend my knee and even the problem one, so to surgery that, scares the H out of me. I could come out worse...more trauma.
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"It's helped me and I know it CAN work and save us from these surgeries."

Change that to it [may] or it {might} work to save [some] from surgery......

I have had several injections including the very expensive stem-cell injections, and experienced no help at all.

So....it [CAN] is a bit of a stretch.

From the Cleveland Clinic;

He explains that if you have cartilage or bone damage, stem cells could differentiate and produce bone and cartilage and other tissues. So, theoretically, they could heal damaged tissue within a muscle, tendon, bone or cartilage.“That’s the theory behind it, but this type of treatment and research is just in its infancy,” he says.
“We really don’t know what’s effective, what’s not effective, how many cells are necessary, how many actual injections you need and how often,” he says. “Nobody knows how well or even if it works yet. But we will eventually.”
Anecdotally, Dr. Miniaci finds that some patients can have improvement in their symptoms with cell-based injections. But he has not seen any proof yet that they are regrowing or regenerating a joint.
“Many people think that they’re going to come in with their arthritic joint and leave with a newer version of their knee joint. That doesn’t happen,” he says.
“What does occur is a biological reaction which makes the environment in their joints a little healthier, which probably makes it less inflamed, and as result, gives them less pain.”

Dr. Miniaci.
 
I can only speak for me and I KNOW I had 3 yrs of pain free right shoulder for $200 of Prolo session. If I can get even some relief for my knee so it's less stiff and I can continue to walk, I'm a happy person.

So many wealthy people do this work, including celebs and athletes and they have the bucks to continue with it. Joe Montana, Arnold Palmer, Koby Bryant to name just a few...there are many many who do this work. But the regular joe has a hard time coming up with the out of pocket fees.

They end up going for the surgery and replacements because insurance pays....SICK....
 
jaminhealth said:
I can only speak for me and I KNOW I had 3 yrs of pain free right shoulder for $200 of Prolo session. If I can get even some relief for my knee so it's less stiff and I can continue to walk, I'm a happy person.

So many wealthy people do this work, including celebs and athletes and they have the bucks to continue with it. Joe Montana, Arnold Palmer, Koby Bryant to name just a few...there are many many who do this work. But the regular joe has a hard time coming up with the out of pocket fees.

They end up going for the surgery and replacements because insurance pays....SICK....
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I agree...But in so many of your posts you make it sound like it is the end all do all, for all persons which it is not.

I am glad it worked for you, I wish it had worked for me. And I caution all others to approach with caution....as the costs can add up quickly, while the results will vary.
 
Well, I don't have anything else to hang my HOPES on, surgery is something I don't want to go thru...so what else is there? More trys at Prolo for me. What is the means to the end all? Invasive surgeries?

We all spend what we feel we can and if so many spend outside their limits, then shame on them. That's why I keep flapping for insurance help..or if my D.O. can do more with Prolo next year. My D.O. hopefully will do some "other" coding. He does a lot of injection work like trigger point injections too.
 
jaminhealth said:
Well, I don't have anything else to hang my HOPES on, surgery is something I don't want to go thru...so what else is there? More trys at Prolo for me. What is the means to the end all? Invasive surgeries?

We all spend what we feel we can and if so many spend outside their limits, then shame on them. That's why I keep flapping for insurance help..or if my D.O. can do more with Prolo next year. My D.O. hopefully will do some "other" coding. He does a lot of injection work like trigger point injections too.
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Oh,....I am all for the Ins help on any & all alternatives , but I believe it will be slow coming [if at all]. The circle of med biz / drug biz, has us by the short hairs, and they know it.

"so what else is there?".......Put up with the pain...which is where i am at present. Do not want the surgery either, and all of the alternatives I have tried , [including stem-cell] have failed. A better pain med?..... I do not see that in the offing.

Hope what ever your doing, continues to work well for you.
 
Put up with the pain and I do that. And will look at Prolo again next year. I don't expect insurance to pay for supplements as that would be expecting way too much, they are not toxic enough for insurance to cover. ummmm
 
rgp: You may have said why you are not up for a knee replacement(s) but I forgot why...Why are you not..I know why I'm not and it's due to a messy hip replacement outcome.

I know you said you didn't get help with Prolo but I found these reviews from Whitaker Wellness, if you want to read.

http://whitakerwellness.com/success-stories/prolotherapy/

This is the doctor I hear every week on radio, yelp reviews and you might like to read some.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/marc-darrow-md-los-angeles-3
 

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