Actor/Director Rob Reiner found dead in home, apparent 'homicide'

Della said:
I think I'd rather bring up kids in the slums of a big city than in Hollywood. So many stars have lost their children to drugs or suicide.
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A lot of ordinary people have lost their children to drugs or suicide, too. I don't think the location, per se, has much to do with it. Anyway if you brought up a child in the slums of a big city, they would have a lot of exposure to drugs and crime.
 

WhatInThe said:
I've seen and heard reports they were found in bed with their throats slit but don't know if they were posed or that's where he took them out. Wonder if he knew they took sleeping pills let alone their schedule. That's premeditation. They say knife attacks are personal as well.

Judging by his long history including drugs, mental health etc he's basically still stuck in teenage rebel mode because they say many stop maturing at the age their drug issues started.
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I think many nepo babies are so spoiled they never grow up....
 
WheatenLover said:
A lot of ordinary people have lost their children to drugs or suicide, too. I don't think the location, per se, has much to do with it. Anyway if you brought up a child in the slums of a big city, they would have a lot of exposure to drugs and crime.
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As I was growing up... I grew up not in the slums.. but in the city.... however all my paternal relatives and many of my friends lived in the slums, and we were always over there... and we never as far as I know neither I nor any of my siblings took drugs..
 

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hollydolly said:
As I was growing up... I grew up not in the slums.. but in the city.... however all my paternal relatives and many of my friends lived in the slums, and we were always over there... and we never as far as I know neither I nor any of my siblings took drugs..
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That is wonderful, HD! But times, they have changed a lot. Plus, I think the cultures of our countries are somewhat different. We have a long-engrained gun culture that makes things in the projects even worse. Sometimes the projects are so bad the police refuse to go there -- this was true several decades ago, and for good reason.

I have older friends who grew up in housing projects, and their stories of their childhoods are totally different than they probably would be today. Oh yeah, one got shot in the behind with a pellet gun because he had been repeatedly fishing in some man's lake without permission. On like the dozenth time he got caught, he got shot. Apparently a pellet gun isn't like a shotgun, rifle, or handgun. His mom was a nurse and fixed him right up.

My husband had a lot of clients who grew up in the projects and their childhoods were uniformly alike -- none of it good. But not all drug addicts and sellers are from the projects. My one drug client was from the upper middle class - still addicted, still selling drugs, no guns involved.
 
WheatenLover said:
That is wonderful, HD! But times, they have changed a lot. Plus, I think the cultures of our countries are somewhat different. We have a long-engrained gun culture that makes things in the projects even worse. Sometimes the projects are so bad the police refuse to go there -- this was true several decades ago, and for good reason.

I have older friends who grew up in housing projects, and their stories of their childhoods are totally different than they probably would be today. Oh yeah, one got shot in the behind with a pellet gun because he had been repeatedly fishing in some man's lake without permission. On like the dozenth time he got caught, he got shot. Apparently a pellet gun isn't like a shotgun, rifle, or handgun. His mom was a nurse and fixed him right up.

My husband had a lot of clients who grew up in the projects and their childhoods were uniformly alike -- none of it good. But not all drug addicts and sellers are from the projects. My one drug client was from the upper middle class - still addicted, still selling drugs, no guns involved.
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No...I understand your point...but I grew up in a city that during my youth , and before that my fathers' youth.. was dubbed the most dangerous city in all of Europe....

Today that city in the areas that were once slums still has a horrible reputation for violence and drugs...


However I have known more people who take hard drugs like Cocaine, and worse.. since being an adult and working in the entertainment industry..tv * film production...
 
Look at this family picture, you can see in the eyes of the murdering son... that something is awry


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Della said:
The person who cannot handle hard drugs doesn't necessarily have poor self-control or a warped mind (whatever that is.) Many factors could contribute to drugs having a devastating effect on a person. The age of first use is important as a brain still growing in a 15 year-old is different than one of a 25 year old. The brain of someone with a genetic tendency toward mental illness is also different. Not everyone who eats a high carbohydrate diet will get diabetes, because insulin sensitivity varies from one pancreas to another. The person who enjoys cake and candy everyday and never gets diabetes is not superior to the one who does, just luckier.

I don't think prohibition, backed by good law enforcement, has been given a good chance.
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Generally true, but to be clear, my generalized statement was not focused on "hard drugs" in which your input is certainly more true for. For instance, a person that occasionally uses Valium when confronted with say addressing a business meeting with others. For most, not an issue. While others might start using it regularly when they don't otherwise need to, because of a general lack of self control and or common sense, or other siituational factors, that has nothing to do with mental illness.

My statement, "There is no way for societies to set some clear, fair for all threshold on what is ok and what is not. Black and white prohibition has proven to be unworkable while open freedom of any drug use has likewise proven to make society worse, thus is unwise."

That means we cannot use black and white drug use policy for all mental affecting A to Z drugs in all situations. Your input is certain true for harder drugs that society and this person quite agrees with. For other situations, especially given the vast numbers of physician prescribed pharmaceutical drugs, including those fighting depression, such is a gray area where will never be firm thresholds for much, It Depends... on individuals that vary greatly.

What I would add to the general discussion is highly unpopular with the psychology profession and most people. That is a return to some level of corporal punishments that is not by pain as was once practiced but rather by making at least some of those incarcerated, particularly lower level short term sentenced, more uncomfortable and unhappy of being locked up so, than many seem to be.

For instance, instead of a pleasant 70F degree indoor cell environment, a lack of air conditioning for temperature unless temperatures reached some more extreme levels live below 60F or above 80F. Instead of access to cigarettes, coffee, candy, television, take those away. Instead of a range of enjoyable food, very basic boring, though healthy food. Instead of peace and quiet, listening to some speaker teaching correct behaviors and why not doing whatever will result in consequences. Much more in that vein.

For drug users, if they are made uncomfortable every time they are arrested instead of just being released after a few days with a hand slap, if many would be in jail for a couple weeks in such conditions they would try to avoid repeating doing so.
 
hollydolly said:
No...I understand your point...but I grew up in a city that during my youth , and before that my fathers' youth.. was dubbed the most dangerous city in all of Europe....

Today that city in the areas that were once slums still has a horrible reputation for violence and drugs...


However I have known more people who take hard drugs like Cocaine, and worse.. since being an adult and working in the entertainment industry..tv * film production...
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A friend of mine was a lawyer in a big firm. She had to go to parties given by the partners. She was so shocked that cocaine was freely available. It is illegal and lawyers are officers of the court! I was shocked too!

When I worked for a tv production company, I didn't know of any of my people who used drugs. Could be they felt free to tell me about how they got parasites and other illnesses by not spending their per diem on food, but thought drugs would be a step too far. I kept all their confidences, though.
 
WheatenLover said:
A lot of ordinary people have lost their children to drugs or suicide, too. I don't think the location, per se, has much to do with it. Anyway if you brought up a child in the slums of a big city, they would have a lot of exposure to drugs and crime.
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That was my point. We all know that the poorest sections of the big cities are usually dangerous places to raise children, with lots of gangs and exposure to drugs. I was saying that, as bad as those areas can be, it might, sometimes, be even harder to raise children in a super wealthy area like the Reiner's neighborhood because the kids are going to big parties where alcohol and drugs flow freely and the kids have lots of spending money.

Of course suicide and addiction happens everywhere. I was just trying to express sympathy for the this one particular family and acknowledge that even the very wealthy among us can find it difficult to raise their children.
 
WheatenLover said:
A friend of mine was a lawyer in a big firm. She had to go to parties given by the partners. She was so shocked that cocaine was freely available. It is illegal and lawyers are officers of the court! I was shocked too!

When I worked for a tv production company, I didn't know of any of my people who used drugs. Could be they felt free to tell me about how they got parasites and other illnesses by not spending their per diem on food, but thought drugs would be a step too far. I kept all their confidences, though.
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My husband and I both worked ( he still works there) in the UK TV major networks..cocaine is easier to get hold of than cigarettes or sweets ( candy)... almost everyone is taking it... same in the media at large.. nespapers et al...
 
Della said:
That was my point. We all know that the poorest sections of the big cities are usually dangerous places to raise children, with lots of gangs and exposure to drugs. I was saying that, as bad as those areas can be, it might, sometimes, be even harder to raise children in a super wealthy area like the Reiner's neighborhood because the kids are going to big parties where alcohol and drugs flow freely and the kids have lots of spending money.

Of course suicide and addiction happens everywhere. I was just trying to express sympathy for the this one particular family and acknowledge that even the very wealthy among us can find it difficult to raise their children.
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that's because generally speaking they don't ''raise'' their own children. Mostly they're raised by Nannies, and Boarding schools...
 
hollydolly said:
My husband and I both worked ( he still works there) in the UK TV major networks..cocaine is easier to get hold of than cigarettes or sweets ( candy)... almost everyone is taking it... same in the media at large.. newspapers et al...
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Well,, that is a bridge too far for me. There is just no way. I always looked at hard drugs as though they could injure my brain. I can think of no worse fate.

The company I worked for was Turner Broadcasting, I was around 28 years old when I started there.
 
Della said:
That was my point. We all know that the poorest sections of the big cities are usually dangerous places to raise children, with lots of gangs and exposure to drugs. I was saying that, as bad as those areas can be, it might, sometimes, be even harder to raise children in a super wealthy area like the Reiner's neighborhood because the kids are going to big parties where alcohol and drugs flow freely and the kids have lots of spending money.

Of course suicide and addiction happens everywhere. I was just trying to express sympathy for the this one particular family and acknowledge that even the very wealthy among us can find it difficult to raise their children.
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Yes, even the wealthy can find it difficult. BUT their children get exposed to lots of things the average American child has no clue about. Some are great and some are bad. The lifestyle is certainly something with which I am not familiar.

My SIL got so much spending money when she was in high school that she started giving it away. Her parents would not give her the next week's allowance unless she had spent all from the previous week. Me? I would have hidden the excess and said I spent it. But for some reason she was adverse to lying.

I think if I had been wealthy when I had kids, I would have hired a bodyguard for each of them, someone mature who would keep them out of trouble, instead of joining in. They would have hated that. Too bad, so sad.
 
WheatenLover said:
Well,, that is a bridge too far for me. There is just no way. I always looked at hard drugs as though they could injure my brain. I can think of no worse fate.

The company I worked for was Turner Broadcasting, I was around 28 years old when I started there.
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BBC for me.. and several commercial channels until I was 58.. ex O/H is one of the studio bosses at the BBC
 
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