10 Afghan refugee families (and counting) in my city now

Murrmurr said:
After 20 years, why the sudden rush to vamoose, I wonder.
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I've been wondering that as well. Military contracting is too big a business for us not to be engaged somewhere, so what's next?

Whatever the reason for haste, withdrawal was very poorly managed.
 

Murrmurr said:
Also, believe me, these people know each other. An Afghani knows Talibani when he sees one.
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Aha. Then Talibani should be able to identify collaborators with the same facility. Then those traitors will soon learn the old saw about how God punishes.
 

hollydolly said:
Well according to todays' news the Taliban have now stopped any flights out of Kabul..so it looks like more won't be coming...

This is the plane load that arrived earlier today in the English Midlands from Kabul

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Some unable to get out are Americans
 
Some people got flags from the government and took to the streets to protest the Taliban. Three were shot to death. Take the hint.
Sunny said:
While everybody else was dithering around, the Taliban was waiting, biding their time, and pounced with ferocity as soon as they got a chance. Sort of like the coronavirus.

Too bad there isn't a vaccine against them!
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There was a vaccine but it left town.
 
The very first people that should have been given seats on a plane are our American friends. The way this whole exit is being handled is just plain idiotic. It appears like a bunch of high school misfits designed it.

It just goes to show us, our government does mot care two hoots about the people here in America.
 
oldman said:
The very first people that should have been given seats on a plane are our American friends. The way this whole exit is being handled is just plain idiotic. It appears like a bunch of high school misfits designed it.

It just goes to show us, our government does mot care two hoots about the people here in America.
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Maybe part of the problem is that the planned pull-out date was moved up a month, idk. Maybe it wasn't even taken seriously. Sometimes the Pentagon thinks it's solely in charge of decisions like that even when it's an international operation.

Like you, I think our friends should have been evacuated first (I assume you mean our Afghan brothers + families). The targets on their backs are as big as the ones on the backs of allied troops, and they're practically defenseless. We'd already decided to leave. We didn't present a threat. I hope we were forbidden from evacuating any nationals, but I doubt it. That might be the story though, if a story is put forth.
 
Those who approve of open borders for Afghan refugees now have no complaint about open borders that allow Latin American refugees into our states.
 
hollydolly said:
Now , Please don't anyone jump on me, because of course our first instinct is to save these people where we can... ...but the practicality of this is..that our country has allowed the afghani people in without the need of a passport so they can get out fast ... this is one thing.. but now how many terorists are going to be amongst them, either Afghanis or using afghani aliases to get into the country without the need for a passport ? This is something which is bound to become a concern in the coming days
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My thoughts as well.
 
Murrmurr said:
When a guy beats your wife with a stick because she went outside without your permission, he might be the Taliban.
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caption reads: red neck wife beater



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in the South that's often called being a good Christian husband - remember their old motto: "a dog, a woman, and a tree, the more you beat them the better they be"





Note: don't blame me, I'm just the messenger ;)
 
Murrmurr said:
My understanding is that the UN has issued visas to Afghanis known to have aided allied military forces, including their spouses and children. Visas for interpreters are being delayed, for some reason.
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The UN has no authority over who can reside in the USA. Refugees (not including the illegal crossings at Southern border) have to be processed outside the the USA. The initial phase is handled by the Department of State aboard and then the next phase is done by Department Homeland Security.

In the current case of Afghans who have worked for the US, we have made agreements with countries such as Albania, Kosovo and Qatar to temporarily house them until processing is completed. In some cases, after initial processing is completed, they are transported to US military facilities pending conclusion of the final phase of screening.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
The UN has no authority over who can reside in the USA. Refugees (not including the illegal crossings at Southern border) have to be processed outside the the USA. The initial phase is handled by the Department of State aboard and then the next phase is done by Department Homeland Security.

In the current case of Afghans who have worked for the US, we have made agreements with countries such as Albania, Kosovo and Qatar to temporarily house them until processing is completed. In some cases, after initial processing is completed, they are transported to US military facilities pending conclusion of the final phase of screening.
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I was talking about departure visas/passports, not destinations. Per news reports, anyone who wants to be evacuated by plane from Kabul must have a special visa or passport issued by the UN.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I was thinking the same thing ~ since when did the USA cede its authority to grant entry visas to any one else?
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It didn't....

I was talking about departure visas/passports, not destinations. Per news reports, anyone who wants to be evacuated by plane from Kabul must have a special visa or passport issued by the UN.
 
Murrmurr said:
Maybe part of the problem is that the planned pull-out date was moved up a month, idk. Maybe it wasn't even taken seriously. Sometimes the Pentagon thinks it's solely in charge of decisions like that even when it's an international operation.

Like you, I think our friends should have been evacuated first (I assume you mean our Afghan brothers + families). The targets on their backs are as big as the ones on the backs of allied troops, and they're practically defenseless. We'd already decided to leave. We didn't present a threat. I hope we were forbidden from evacuating any nationals, but I doubt it. That might be the story though, if a story is put forth.
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Your assumption is totally wrong. American citizens should have the first seats. Many of them were told that’s the way it would be handled in case of a mass evacuation. Put yourself and your family in their place. Wouldn’t you expect your government to stand by their agreement? This is not to say that I am not empathetic with the Afghan people, but it’s only right that U.S. citizens should come home first. It’s called loyalty to those you agreed to take care of if a mess like this should come to fruition.

The original plan was to remove all armaments, and vehicles first. Destroy anything left behind or not worthy of being removed. Destroy the forts that were built by the U.S. Remove all U.S. citizens and then “X” number (I forget if there was a number given or not) of Afghans and finally, remove all military personnel.

When the president of Afghanistan fled the country, he took a lot of American money with him. I never saw a figure. But, it was reported he piled money into four cars and a helicopter, which still couldn’t haul of it. So you know it had to be in the billions. This story comes from the Russians, if you can believe them. The Afghan president (Ghani) denied this rumor.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ith-cars-helicopter-full-cash-ria-2021-08-16/

There sure are a lot of rumors and innuendos out there. Will we ever know what the truth is? Probably not.
 
oldman said:
Your assumption is totally wrong. American citizens should have the first seats. Many of them were told that’s the way it would be handled in case of a mass evacuation. Put yourself and your family in their place. Wouldn’t you expect your government to stand by their agreement? This is not to say that I am not empathetic with the Afghan people, but it’s only right that U.S. citizens should come home first. It’s called loyalty to those you agreed to take care of if a mess like this should come to fruition.

The original plan was to remove all armaments, and vehicles first. Destroy anything left behind or not worthy of being removed. Destroy the forts that were built by the U.S. Remove all U.S. citizens and then “X” number (I forget if there was a number given or not) of Afghans and finally, remove all military personnel.

When the president of Afghanistan fled the country, he took a lot of American money with him. I never saw a figure. But, it was reported he piled money into four cars and a helicopter, which still couldn’t haul of it. So you know it had to be in the billions. This story comes from the Russians, if you can believe them. The Afghan president (Ghani) denied this rumor.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ith-cars-helicopter-full-cash-ria-2021-08-16/

There sure are a lot of rumors and innuendos out there. Will we ever know what the truth is? Probably not.
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When I wrote that I forgot about the American families there. I stand corrected. That said, in my opinion, the families of the citizens who assisted US and allied forces should have been given way more consideration. They face death at the hands of the Taliban because they assisted, and we know that as well as they do.

I'm not positive, but the vice president of Afghanistan claims he's still in Afghanistan, and is urging Afghan families to go north, where he is.
 
Our military officers handling the logistics of moving people (both Americans and Afghans), are in better position to decide how to fill planes. Let's say a flight that holds 500 is preparing to depart Kabul. If only 160 Americans are there, then the remaining 340 seats would be filled with Afghans. Americans are spread all over the country and will eventually get to the airport in the coming days/weeks. In the meantime, planes have to keeping flying.
 
Murrmurr said:
When I wrote that I forgot about the American families there. I stand corrected. That said, in my opinion, the families of the citizens who assisted US and allied forces should have been given way more consideration. They face death at the hands of the Taliban because they assisted, and we know that as well as they do.

I'm not positive, but the vice president of Afghanistan claims he's still in Afghanistan, and is urging Afghan families to go north, where he is.
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As a former Marine and veteran of Vietnam, I am very disappointed in the way my country left Afghanistan. It looked like a Chinese fire drill. NATO has also been a disappointment. Supposedly, they had an agreement with the Taliban that they would not intervene with any of the U.S. or it’s allies during the departure phase. As I watched the scenes and listened to the reporting last evening, that didn’t seem to be happening.

I keep wondering why the U.S. didn’t at least supply military air support during the evacuation. I heard one reporter on the BBC say that the Chinese was aiding the Taliban with directing them on how they should be responding to the evacuation by the U.S. If that’s true, I understand why the U.S. isn’t backing any resistance against the Taliban at this time. The U.S. does not want to force a confrontation with the Chinese and we can’t go back in. It would look like we were going back on our word. And we can’t have that. (sarcasm)
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
Our military officers handling the logistics of moving people (both Americans and Afghans), are in better position to decide how to fill planes. Let's say a flight that holds 500 is preparing to depart Kabul. If only 160 Americans are there, then the remaining 340 seats would be filled with Afghans. Americans are spread all over the country and will eventually get to the airport in the coming days/weeks. In the meantime, planes have to keeping flying.
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Yesterday, it was reported that because people were having issues getting into the airport because of the Taliban surrounding it, planes were leaving with only about 50% of capacity.
 

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