11 killed by terrorists at satirical newspaper in Paris! called for

kcvet said:
they were fighting wars before you and I were born. and they'll keep fighting them long after we're dead, buried and gone. it's man nature to kill his fellow man. it's in the blood. and you and I can't stop it.

let's let go by saying your the dove and im the hawk
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And what has been accomplished by the demonstrated American zeal for 'hawkism'? Are any of us safer? Is there more peace in the world?

America has a 'tradition' of supporting terrorism whenever it furthers the administrations agenda. Doesn't make the world more peaceful but it certainly fuels the profits of the military support industry which has profited to the tune of 27,699% profit for it's shareholders in the past 50 years.

This morning I was reading an article written by an American geopolitical analyst out of NY and it was about the US supporting the Chechen terrorists that Russia has been fighting with, within their own borders. More profits and tax payer dollars used to support that military machine and support death and destruction and none of it makes you, me, or the world any safer.

You say 'it's man nature to kill his fellow man. it's in the blood. and you and I can't stop it.'......and I say, you don't want to stop it.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-so...-soaring-costs-of-military-casualties/5388393

http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/war_of_words_the_new_chechen_terror_rt_opedge/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/08/usa.russia
 

Dame Warrigal said:
Give the terrorists some credit for planning their own actions.
To do otherwise is to underestimate their capabilities.
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Terrorists might plan their own actions, but who funds them? That single question raises a multitude of even more interesting questions.

In lots of my reading that I've been doing about Putin and Russia and Ukraine, I've noticed several times where commenters have thrown out the question, as proof of how bad Russia/Putin is, something along the lines of 'oh yeah, well what about the fight with Chechnya?'. Well what about that fight? So I looked it up and discovered that it is a fight between Russia and terrorists (who claim the Islamic faith) and who are trying to take control of the Chechnya region. And today I came across an article that points to direct support of those terrorists by the American administration.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/08/usa.russia
http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/war_of_words_the_new_chechen_terror_rt_opedge/

So while those terrorists might be planning where they will hit next, they can only do it as long as they have cash and various other kinds of support from 'somewhere'. Turn off the taps of that support and they would whither and die and disappear I would think.
 
"This is what happens when there is a "Religion" that teaches "Death to All Infidels". At some point, us Infidels are going to have to stop being "Politically Correct"

It seems to me that there is a faction of Islam that thinks they are still in the days of the "Crusades", and living as if they were in the 10th and 11th centuries. If they keep engaging in their terrorist activities, they may just get what they seem to be wishing for. If the Moderate Muslims, who claim that Islam is the "religion of peace", are unwilling to tone down the rhetoric of their radical Imams, etc., who often incite these terrorist attacks, All Muslims may one day find themselves being rejected by the rest of the world.
 

"Kill them all and let God sort them out". More people killed in France by the Catholics during the crusades than Middle East . Important thing is not getting sucked in to either side. I believe the numbers of Muslims have some of the other guys way outnumbered. Jehovah of the Old Testament was a God of war.
some of the things that are disturbing to me:
military weapons, especially AK, use FMJ which would pencil thru the target without much splatter, so that part looks good contrary to the conspiracy video what one can actually see. What happened to the RPG? Why did they use an anti-armour weapon on a non fortified position? Why did't they steal the autos? We're the ids from the autos registration, or wallets?
The only thing missing here is them arriving in 1970 VW minibus with the RPGs standing up in the back.
 
Don M. said:
"This is what happens when there is a "Religion" that teaches "Death to All Infidels". At some point, us Infidels are going to have to stop being "Politically Correct"

It seems to me that there is a faction of Islam that thinks they are still in the days of the "Crusades", and living as if they were in the 10th and 11th centuries. If they keep engaging in their terrorist activities, they may just get what they seem to be wishing for. If the Moderate Muslims, who claim that Islam is the "religion of peace", are unwilling to tone down the rhetoric of their radical Imams, etc., who often incite these terrorist attacks, All Muslims may one day find themselves being rejected by the rest of the world.
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If you Google, Muslim peace groups, you will find that there are many groups who do exactly what we would all hope for, but we never seem to hear about them do we? How many times have you heard about the Palestinian peace marches have been occurring in the West Bank for the past ten years despite the danger that doing so poses to the marchers? How many times have you heard the media covering the rubber bullets and other violence from the IDF that meet their efforts for highlighting and seeking peace?

There are moderate Muslims who are speaking out, who are teaching peace and who are just as appalled as you or I at the violence that hijackers of their religion, but they are hidden from the world by a news media that has given up on journalism and seem only to consult the daily Reuters or AP news feed to get their stories of the day. Details are one sided and usually identical from one station to the next. And they aren't talking much if at all, about Muslims who preach, teach and advocate peace.

http://salaminstitute.org/new/?p=807
http://forusa.org/groups/religious-peace-fellowships/muslim-peace-fellowship
http://www.islamicpeace.org.uk

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...y-wont-be-intimidated-by-far-rightists-371259
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/dear-nick-kristof-your-palestinian-gandhis-are-already-here
 
I read copy cat attacks are now in Germany. I cannot feel for France. they brought this terrorists plague on themselves.
 
Getting any measure of "unbiased" news, from our US media sources....especially the Cable news networks...is wishful thinking. They are all driven by the need to pump up their Nielsen ratings, so they can increase their advertising revenues.

Then, at the risk of being called "Anti-Semantic", I would suggest that there is a substantial presence of ownership, investor participation, and management of our media by wealthy Jewish interests. They certainly have no interest in presenting the Muslim side of the issue.

I am not very impressed with many of Obama's foreign policy directions....but his seeming refusal to bow down to Tel Aviv is certainly a move in the right direction, IMO. For far too long, our government has "blessed" everything Israeli, and this has contributed substantially to the Arab world looking upon the US as its enemy.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Give the terrorists some credit for planning their own actions.
To do otherwise is to underestimate their capabilities.
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It's not so much about under estimating them but certain plans all but require someone look the other way and/or actually supply, facilitate or enable them. If this was a criminal investigation the perpetrators would be free until they are arrested/do something prosecutable. In intelligence you want to see where or who it all leads to so again you have to let the suspects go free and do what you suspect them of.

With the Boston bombers the US had warnings and the one brother literally got away with murder killing frat boy drug dealers. How did his name stay out of the criminal investigation-because the police were told hands off??? How can these terrorists be on various no fly lists and under surveillance by other countries at the same be able not only be able to smuggle a gun but gunS and a RPG into France.

No one is denying their capabilities but the logistics of executing many of their plans would need too much 'nudging' and luck to actually succeed.
 
Maybe what our governments need to do, if they truly want peace and truly differentiate between Muslims and terrorists who use their Islamic faith as a focus of their hatred, is to start meeting with Muslim groups and showing a visible unity with those moderates. I know a couple years ago, our potential new Prime Minister, had the temerity to attend a mosque (PR effort) and he was roundly castigated by the media and individuals and the current government, as though he'd 'met with the enemy' and 'given his support of terrorism' by doing so.

But isn't that what should happen? Encourage understanding and cooperation between groups by meeting and getting to know one another? Build bridges to strengthen unity?
 
Don M. said:
Getting any measure of "unbiased" news, from our US media sources....especially the Cable news networks...is wishful thinking. They are all driven by the need to pump up their Nielsen ratings, so they can increase their advertising revenues.

Then, at the risk of being called "Anti-Semantic", I would suggest that there is a substantial presence of ownership, investor participation, and management of our media by wealthy Jewish interests. They certainly have no interest in presenting the Muslim side of the issue.

I am not very impressed with many of Obama's foreign policy directions....but his seeming refusal to bow down to Tel Aviv is certainly a move in the right direction, IMO. For far too long, our government has "blessed" everything Israeli, and this has contributed substantially to the Arab world looking upon the US as its enemy.
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I think that because of WW2 we've become terribly afraid of the label anti-semitic and it's high time we leave that behind because Israel uses it to their advantage to cow any criticism which they so justly deserve. Also, keep in mind that Arab people are Semites just as the Jews are so the whole 'anti-semite' accusation is kind of ignorant.

I do agree with your opinions on the mainstream media when it comes to getting real info that is accurate and unbiased and tells all sides and your assessment of your country 'bending over' for Israel and the result, is also spot on.


And sorry about the run of comments here. I read the other comments and things popped into my head in response, but I should have been patient and not jumped on my little soapbox each time without waiting for others. I'll try to be good from now on folks. Sorry:eek:
 
Debby said:
Terrorists might plan their own actions, but who funds them? That single question raises a multitude of even more interesting questions.

In lots of my reading that I've been doing about Putin and Russia and Ukraine, I've noticed several times where commenters have thrown out the question, as proof of how bad Russia/Putin is, something along the lines of 'oh yeah, well what about the fight with Chechnya?'. Well what about that fight? So I looked it up and discovered that it is a fight between Russia and terrorists (who claim the Islamic faith) and who are trying to take control of the Chechnya region. And today I came across an article that points to direct support of those terrorists by the American administration.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/08/usa.russia
http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/war_of_words_the_new_chechen_terror_rt_opedge/

So while those terrorists might be planning where they will hit next, they can only do it as long as they have cash and various other kinds of support from 'somewhere'. Turn off the taps of that support and they would whither and die and disappear I would think.
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Terrorists might plan their own actions, but who funds them?
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Iran, Syria, N Korea just to name a few
 
Debby said:
I think that because of WW2 we've become terribly afraid of the label anti-semitic and it's high time we leave that behind because Israel uses it to their advantage to cow any criticism which they so justly deserve. Also, keep in mind that Arab people are Semites just as the Jews are so the whole 'anti-semite' accusation is kind of ignorant.

I do agree with your opinions on the mainstream media when it comes to getting real info that is accurate and unbiased and tells all sides and your assessment of your country 'bending over' for Israel and the result, is also spot on.


And sorry about the run of comments here. I read the other comments and things popped into my head in response, but I should have been patient and not jumped on my little soapbox each time without waiting for others. I'll try to be good from now on folks. Sorry:eek:
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are you a Jew hater??
 
KVvet

"I read copy cat attacks are now in Germany. I cannot feel for France. they brought this terrorists plague on themselves".

YOU ARE SO TOTALLY WRONG AND OUT OF TOUCH...

NOBODY BUT NOBODY brings the terrorist's plagues upon themselves...

Barbaric terrorists do that

Don't that the blame away from the terrorists where it belongs !!!

THIS IS HOW "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" DAMAGES DEMOCRACY !
 
Elyzabeth said:
KVvet

"I read copy cat attacks are now in Germany. I cannot feel for France. they brought this terrorists plague on themselves".

YOU ARE SO TOTALLY WRONG AND OUT OF TOUCH...

NOBODY BUT NOBODY brings the terrorist's plagues upon themselves...

Barbaric terrorists do that

Don't that the blame away from the terrorists where it belongs !!!

THIS IS HOW "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" DAMAGES DEMOCRACY !
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check out the 2005 French riots and the cause. which spread though out the EU

and I am NOT pc
 
I've always found the Europeans in general beyond upfront to the point of being rude, arrogant and/or ignorant. That's Europe and most living there accept it, they might not like it but that is a European. It's the same arrogance that inspired 'manifest destiny' and the colonization of many a territory. I always found the Brits and Germans to be more rude and arrogant. Every nation or area has an underlining of racism, prejudice or ignorance. Yes the French are wishy washy socialists who actually just had to abandon a 75% tax rate but as with any terrorism acting like a dissed street gang banger does not warrant murder-a crime.
 
kcvet said:
are you a Jew hater??
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Not at all. If in the Palestinian situation, the roles were reversed, I'd unhesitatingly be looking for the facts on what the Palestinians are doing to the Jewish people. I spent the first half of last year investigating the Palestinian/Israeli question which I think is something every American and Canadian voter should be doing. If you did, you would discover that the list of human rights abuses and atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli government and the IDF are long, daily and often fatal ranging from shooting annoying children to depriving whole communities of water for days at a time to preventing people from even accessing their farms to grow food to keep from starving.

I abhor what happened to the Jewish people in the 2nd WW. My 'thing' is sticking up for the guy who's downtrodden and overrun by somebody with greater power (hence greater responsibility to do the right thing!). No, I don't hate Jews. But I do hate what they are doing to the people under their control.

Also from you kcvet: 'Terrorists might plan their own actions, but who funds them?
Iran, Syria, N Korea just to name a few'

Don't forget to include the USA in that list of who funds terrorists. Ukraine's neo-Nazi's, Chechen terrorists, Syria's 'opposition', mujahadeen of Afghanistan ..... And something that I've noticed to in all my reading is that loyalties among these governments of the West and the Middle East seem to be as fluid as water and today they might be enemies, but tomorrow they'll be supporting one another.​
 
Debby said:
Not at all. If in the Palestinian situation, the roles were reversed, I'd unhesitatingly be looking for the facts on what the Palestinians are doing to the Jewish people. I spent the first half of last year investigating the Palestinian/Israeli question which I think is something every American and Canadian voter should be doing. If you did, you would discover that the list of human rights abuses and atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli government and the IDF are long, daily and often fatal ranging from shooting annoying children to depriving whole communities of water for days at a time to preventing people from even accessing their farms to grow food to keep from starving.

I abhor what happened to the Jewish people in the 2nd WW. My 'thing' is sticking up for the guy who's downtrodden and overrun by somebody with greater power (hence greater responsibility to do the right thing!). No, I don't hate Jews. But I do hate what they are doing to the people under their control.

Also from you kcvet: 'Terrorists might plan their own actions, but who funds them?
Iran, Syria, N Korea just to name a few'

Don't forget to include the USA in that list of who funds terrorists. Ukraine's neo-Nazi's, Chechen terrorists, Syria's 'opposition', mujahadeen of Afghanistan ..... And something that I've noticed to in all my reading is that loyalties among these governments of the West and the Middle East seem to be as fluid as water and today they might be enemies, but tomorrow they'll be supporting one another.​
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aplolgies. my mistake
 
The US does fund the Palestinians and also the Jewish folks there in the Jewish nation area. But for the Palestinians that have the Iranian outpost folks shooting rockets into Jerusalem, the US does not pay into those folks as far as I know. For the moment I can not even think of the names of those killer folks that really are trying to work Iran's wishes. I believe that this was pretty well covered a while back.
 
BobF said:
The US does fund the Palestinians and also the Jewish folks there in the Jewish nation area. But for the Palestinians that have the Iranian outpost folks shooting rockets into Jerusalem, the US does not pay into those folks as far as I know. For the moment I can not even think of the names of those killer folks that really are trying to work Iran's wishes. I believe that this was pretty well covered a while back.
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Hamas and Hezbollah. they have prevented the peace process with Palestinian for years. if they are exterminated there will be peace.
 
kcvet said:
aplolgies. my mistake
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No problemo.

You also made a point about Hamas and Hezbollah preventing the peace process and while you are right on that, you should also add to that, Israel has done their share to prevent the peace process for years and years also. The Zionist vision shows a 'Jew only' country so it would appear if you look at the history of the region, that not only has Israel dumped on some of the agreements, but they've made every effort to make life in general so unpleasant and dangerous for Palestinians that they might be 'encouraged' to leave. There is plenty of blame to share all around.
 
Mostly what is being said is about the coastal Palestinians. As I understand the events the more distant Palestinian territories are much more tame and ready to live in peace with the Jewish folks. So our biggest problems is in the coastal areas where the Iranian radicals keep shooting rockets into Israel to keep things more stressed. It is these war like activities that a few are into that makes the entire area a tough one to live in. That people speak differently or have different religions is not the problem at all. It is these political radicals from Iran that keep on breaking the peace efforts of others that are trying to heal the tempers of this area.
 
I think WB Palestinians are not as compressed as the Gaza people are ( home to 1.82 million people in an area that is 141 square miles), which might result in less open violence (i.e. they don't shoot rockets). One must also consider that Gaza has only one exit/entrance which is tightly controlled by Israel (meaning not only crossing delays but also the ability to severely restrict food and other necessities from being brought in, which they do consistently) and that the Palestinian fishermen don't even have access to the water on their coast to provide food for the population. Any move outside of the 6 mile coastal waters (which are totally polluted as Israel has destroyed any sewage treatment facilities) is met with a hail of bullets. (should note that I believe Egypt recently opened up one crossing that is also strictly controlled by them but that may only be for the sake of the seriously ill who need to get medical treatment)
The result from that continual aggravation as well as the crowding, possibly does result in a heightened level of day to day problems when comparing the WB and Gaza. However, the Palestinians of the WB and Jerusalem are no less affected by the Israeli 'assaults' on common decency and those people also live with settler violence, water shortages (because Israeli Jews get more water), home demolitions (27,000 since 1967), food shortages, severe travel restrictions, assaults by IDF of both a physical and an emotional variety, and harassment and violence by the IDF against the residents, to mention a few of the issues.

There is also the issue of Israeli settlements taking/stealing most of the WB out from under the feet of the Palestinian people. Did you know that all the Jewish settlements are connected throughout the WB by roads and water and communication and sewage infrastructure, each of which has a buffer zone surrounding it.....and the Palestinian people cannot use the roads or even cross them, nor are they allowed within those buffer zones, which means that many have no way of accessing their farms which might lie within eye sight of where they are standing.....except they can't cross the road. Israel then decrees that farm as abandoned and they take it over.

A good map that shows how the WB has changed since 1946 until 2000. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24176.htm

So when you take into consideration all of the above as they affect the Palestinian people wherever they are living, is it really just the 'Iranian radicals that keep on breaking the peace efforts of others'? Again, Israel being the power in that small region has done more than their share of 'violence' against an impoverished and deliberately weakened and powerless people to prevent peace from taking hold.

One thing I will agree with you on is that Hamas followers have enriched themselves at the expense of the common people. All those tunnels that Israel blew up in the summer were a great source of income for those bums as they controlled and taxed the black market that made use of them so for them to periodically ratchet up tensions is an economic decision.
 
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