2/26/20 A day to just a few days left before panic buying. Get to stores before.

CarolfromTX said:
I'm happy to report that we went to the grocery store yesterday and no one seemed to be in a panic. Shelves were full. Get a grip, people!
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Ditto. I cannot figure out why everyone is all in a tizzy over a disease that is nowhere near as virulent as it's made out to be. Not only do the vast majority of those infected live, but there is are undoubtedly a substantial number who are never counted at all, since they never seek medical attention for what seems to them just a common cold.

That said, it's certainly no joke, either, and is a serious risk to those who are compromised by chronic illness or age (very young or very old). But I've seen nothing anywhere that merits the insane responses going on all around. People will be sheeple sometimes :(
 

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However, realistically, China’s productivity rating has been evaluated to be in negative territory by month’s end. Something like -4%. Their ability to keep up with demands for items made in China has seriously declined.

As for food and life’s necessities here in the U.S., I doubt if there will be any issues. Americans have always come through in tough times. We are able to adapt and overcome. Just like my beloved Corps.

I can still remember when the Ebola Virus was a big deal. Today, it’s almost unheard of from around the world.
 
oldman said:
I can still remember when the Ebola Virus was a big deal. Today, it’s almost unheard of from around the world.
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Ebola wasn't too much of concern to me because of it's mode of transmission other than worry about family and friends who might have to take care of infected foreigners who traveled here for treatment. You could get masks for next to nothing after that scare faded. This is different. Lowball estimates of virulence (R0) and mortality are much higher than the flu, increasing drastically each decade above 50.

The "just the flu" crowd can't possibly know that for a new pathogen that (according to CDC posts for quarantine workers) is appx three months old.
 

  • Supermarket shelves are starting to be stripped bare as Americans prepare for the spread of coronavirus
  • People have been panic buying items ever since health authorities warned that Americans should start preparing for domestic acceleration of the virus
  • Supplies have been flying off the shelves with people posting photos on social media showing the lack of products available in some stores and pharmacies
  • In California, some Walgreens stores had been completely depleted of cough medicines, cold and flue medications, vaporizers, masks and thermometers
  • Shoppers in Hawaii were buying up flatbeds of canned goods, bottled water, toilet paper and paper towels from a local Costo
  • A supermarket aisle in Virginia had been stripped of non-perishables like pasta
  • U.S. stock indexes fell sharply again at the open on Friday as the coronavirus outbreak raised the alarm for a possible global recession
  • It comes as thousands of people were buying up face masks and the U.S. government said it is planning to stockpile 300 million masks
  • There are now 60 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the U.S. and the first case where the origin of the disease is unknown was confirmed on Wednesday

Good grief ... nothing like that happening in our part of the country.

Hope that woman enjoys her spam!
 
I have always stocked up on stuff. Having been Costco shoppers for years, we just got used to buying in bulk. Now that my husband is gone, I still do. I know I'll always need toilet paper and baby wipes, I'll always use peanut butter and pouch tuna. It's good to have bottled water for emergencies. I also have an 18 pack box of Ritz crackers. I found out that they last well beyond the best by (BB) date when refrigerated. In the event I can't get bread, I'll have the crackers. I have many other staples that will last quite awhile, most of them with BB dates well into the future. Starting last December, I did quite a bit of shopping just to stock up; some things from Walmart.com to take advantage of Discover's 5% cash back, some from Costco and some from my local supermarket.

It's a good point about the medications. I'll reorder all the ones that my pharmacy deems refillable. It never hurts to be prepared and well stocked, no matter the reason. My sister is the same way. It always gets me how people run to the supermarkets and home stores to stock up on things when a storm is coming only to find bare shelves. Why wait until it becomes critical?
 
Went to a nearby Wally World this morning (Saturday). Shelves were full and the parking lot mostly empty. The reality for a lot of folks here in Appalachia is that "stocking up" is not economically feasible. Many live literally from pay check to pay check, and those are the ones who are lucky enough to have a job. The local food banks are going to be in serious trouble by the end of March if the panic gets worse, and the hoarders take over. God help us all.
 
Buckeye said:
Went to a nearby Wally World this morning (Saturday). Shelves were full and the parking lot mostly empty. The reality for a lot of folks here in Appalachia is that "stocking up" is not economically feasible. Many live literally from pay check to pay check, and those are the ones who are lucky enough to have a job. The local food banks are going to be in serious trouble by the end of March if the panic gets worse, and the hoarders take over. God help us all.
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I realize that some people can't afford to stock up. Unfortunately I know people in that situation; some are seniors, some younger. But for those who can afford to, it's IMO wise to do so.
 
Last time I saw this directly was while I was living in the direct path of a hurricane with many residents new to the area along with being on the younger side never having experienced a natural catastrophe or severe weather period. That's who does the panic buying. Many are always prepared or buy ahead of time. The over or excessive buyers are the ones that are most dangerous in more ways than one. They're the ends justify the means types.

Wait until the little ones start getting into those stock piles 6 months from now. Just like the gasoline hoarders with generators. Not only can all that gas go bad having ten times the amount of normally stored gas makes the place a fire hazard.

It's scary how many sheeple out there have designated or accepted the msm as their shepherd.
 
There doesn't seem to be any sign of panic in the small town where I live. I went to the grocery store yesterday and everything was normal. I always keep all kinds of organic flour (bread, pastry, all purpose and whole wheat) in my freezer. I make my own breads, muffins, pizza dough, cookies and pie crusts from scratch and I have all of the additional ingredients needed to make any of those in my refrigerator and cabinets. Because I live alone, I make and freeze so I always have a wide selection of homemade foods to select from. I'm vegetarian so I do buy a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables from local farmers. I also keep dried beans and plenty of brown rice on hand.
 
I'm hitting Costco today for a typical shopping trip, not to stock up because my backup pantry is always wall stocked. It'll be interesting to see what items, if any, are noticeably out of stock.

I don't designate the MSM as my shepherd, I look at relevant information, listen to experts in the field (politicians don't qualify) and draw my own conclusions.

Fact 1: China, a country with a long history of downplaying disasters to its own citizens and the world, has quarantined or residential locked down some 800 million people for a month. (No way they'd do this unless they perceived a very serious threat.) Their case numbers have stabilized, but who knows what will happen when quarantines are lifted?

Fact 2: Other countries are likewise quarantining people and areas immediately upon diagnosing the virus's presence. (If it appeared China was overreacting, other countries would take less drastic responses. Instead, they're upping the ante.) Schools, sporting events, public gatherings, conventions, etc., are being cancelled left and right.

Fact 3: As of this moment, Johns Hopkins tracking site shows total confirmed cases at 86,688, deaths at 2933, recovered at 39,761. I'll readily admit to not being an epidemiologist, but I do understand mathematics and have a calculator nearby.
2933 deaths versus 39,761 recovered = Of diagnosed cases with a final result (recovered or died), 7.3% have died.
2933 deaths versus 86,688 total cases = Of diagnosed cases, 3.3% have died.

Fact 4: World Health Organization declared the outbreak has reached the "highest level" of risk for the world, with its director-general warning it can go in "any direction."

Pretty serious stuff by my reckoning.
 
This thread made me think of buying some extra food to stock up...so I got double on some of the usual stuff I get. I'm not going to get into a panic about the Coronavirus, though, heck there isn't even one case of it in my state. I can see the media is going nuts with it constantly now. Some doctors are saying the regular flu is affecting many more than this new virus. A prominent doctor in my city died of it this month--from complications of it, that is, of the "regular" flu whatever that is.
 
The best thing one can do now is make sure you car gas tank is topped off for the next month or so. I've seen water and gas go first in panics like these. But are some of the first resources to be replenished.

Just a reminder. At the peak of the 2018 flu season 80,000 died many of which are side effects like pneumonia which is one of the highest killers of seniors.

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

Yet the media seems to be in freakazoid mode after ONE death in Washington. And the patient didn't travel which is more proof this story/virus has been around a lot longer before the msm got a hold of it. This thing could've been around last winter for all we know. And yes don't trust China because along with the cover up what the heck were they trying to do with this thing.
 
WhatInThe said:
Last time I saw this directly was while I was living in the direct path of a hurricane with many residents new to the area along with being on the younger side never having experienced a natural catastrophe or severe weather period. That's who does the panic buying. Many are always prepared or buy ahead of time. The over or excessive buyers are the ones that are most dangerous in more ways than one. They're the ends justify the means types.

Wait until the little ones start getting into those stock piles 6 months from now. Just like the gasoline hoarders with generators. Not only can all that gas go bad having ten times the amount of normally stored gas makes the place a fire hazard.

It's scary how many sheeple out there have designated or accepted the msm as their shepherd.
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Yes, the only time I would consider buying over and above normal purchases is when a major storm is headed my way. .. Have had a couple hurricanes to contend with over the years. Got supplies like food/water for the timeframe that was forecast for the area. We were given plenty of information to get things in order for living through that type of situation.

But this ... I guess people can always donate to food pantries when they have food stored now, that is going to face expiration later.
 
Leann said:
There doesn't seem to be any sign of panic in the small town where I live. I went to the grocery store yesterday and everything was normal. I always keep all kinds of organic flour (bread, pastry, all purpose and whole wheat) in my freezer. I make my own breads, muffins, pizza dough, cookies and pie crusts from scratch and I have all of the additional ingredients needed to make any of those in my refrigerator and cabinets. Because I live alone, I make and freeze so I always have a wide selection of homemade foods to select from. I'm vegetarian so I do buy a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables from local farmers. I also keep dried beans and plenty of brown rice on hand.
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I could have written your post. I live alone and make and do what you said and am also a vegetarian (lacto-ovo). Do you mind to convo me your recipe or link to your favorite bread?
 
Catlady said:
I could have written your post. I live alone and make and do what you said and am also a vegetarian (lacto-ovo). Do you mind to convo me your recipe or link to your favorite bread?
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This is my all-time favorite bread recipe. I hope you like it!

1 1/2 Tbl. instant yeast
2 c. warm water
1/3 c. honey
3 - 4 c. whole wheat flour
1 1/2 tsp. salt
1/8 - 1/2 c. any add-ins (oats, sunflower seeds, ground flax seeds, etc.)
Combine yeast, water and honey in the bowl of a stand mixer; let sit for 5 minutes or until frothy and
bubbly. Add 1 1/2 cups of flour, any add-ins and salt and mix until combined. Add remaining flour, 1/2
cup at a time, until you get a soft dough. The dough should barely pull away from the sides of the bowl
and it will still be a little sticky. Using the dough hook, knead for 4 minutes on low, cover and let rise until
doubled. Punch down dough (spray hands with cooking spray) and put in a greased loaf pan. Let rise
again until doubled. Bake at 350 degrees for 30 minutes. Remove from oven. Cool in pan for 10 minutes,
then remove loaf and cool completely.
*If you use freshly ground wheat flour, you might need to add more like 5- 5 1/2 cups of flour.
 
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