23 Americans said to be on the Malaysia flight that just went down !

Dame Warrigal said:
The first report didn't come from the State Department. It was a Reuters report emanating from Ukraine. Amsterdam said that none of the passengers were travelling on US passports. Unfortunately a lot of news media went off half cocked and started beating up Obama for not doing anything.
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Thank you Dame Warrigal for all your updates..
 

I'd have been very surprised to find many Americans travelling from Amsterdam to Melbourne via Kuala Lumpur. It's not logical. US citizens coming to the HIV/AIDS conference would probably have come across the Pacific via Hawaii.
 
Reuters is the mouth piece for Hamas and hezbollah
 

If it weren't so tragic some of the stuff coming from the pro Russian separatists actions and speech would be comical. Umm, took the black boxes to help the investigation? Then I hear they claim that many dead bodies look they had been killed days earlier? Any one who thinks the Cold War was a joke just look at the product that calls itself modern day Russia or Russian because it is directly affected by the actions of the old communist USSR & mindset.
 
WhatInThe said:
If it weren't so tragic some of the stuff coming from the pro Russian separatists actions and speech would be comical. Umm, took the black boxes to help the investigation? Then I hear they claim that many dead bodies look they had been killed days earlier? Any one who thinks the Cold War was a joke just look at the product that calls itself modern day Russia or Russian because it is directly affected by the actions of the old communist USSR & mindset.
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The influence of the old KGB is quite strong too. Putin was KGB.
 
WhatInThe said:
Then I hear they claim that many dead bodies look they had been killed days earlier?
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I always have a problem with a statement attributed to some generic "they".
Are "they" forensic experts on dead bodies, especially those falling from 33,000 feet ?
 
The rebels have moved the bodies to an unknown location and are letting the investigators in for short periods of time...the Dutch are rightly raising hell.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I always have a problem with a statement attributed to some generic "they".
Are "they" forensic experts on dead bodies, especially those falling from 33,000 feet ?
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They is a high ranking rebel leader and website.


http://abcnews.go.com/International...sts-malaysia-plane-victims-long-dead-24622107

Besides the obvious manipulation and cover up I don't think "they" even understand of the importance of securing and not disturbing the scene. Along with removing the dead bodies in an expedient and respectful manner. They need to watch more CSI episodes.
 
A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.
The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
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Bizarre indeed. If the bodies weren't fresh then what could have happened?

a) Malaysia airlines was carrying a number of corpses as well as some live passengers?
b) Some of the corpses and body parts were driven to the crash site and scattered around the fields to confuse the investigators or to hide some nasty war crime elsewhere in Ukraine?
c) These bodies are from another crash and all of the MH17 passengers are alive and well but hidden in some Russian prison

or d) the rebels are making things up because they want to lay a false trail for investigators to follow.

It would appear that around 100 bodies and parts have been moved to refrigerated railway carriages and the smell of decomposition is apparent even from the outside. It's high Summer in Ukraine as evidenced by the ripe wheat fields, and the broken bodies have been exposed to the elements. Of course they are drained of blood and decomposing. I'd be surprised if any of them are fresh.
 
A Ukraine commander and the russian are now saying its possible the malaysian ai was full of corpses before it was shot down.

Also heard this one, it was the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been flying ever since without food or water thus all the corpses.

Wonder which one is the truth?....:confused:
 
Davey Jones said:
A Ukraine commander and the russian are now saying its possible the malaysian ai was full of corpses before it was shot down.

Also heard this one, it was the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been flying ever since without food or water thus all the corpses.

Wonder which one is the truth?....:confused:
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IF we get the serial number we'll know
 
A Ukraine commander and the russian are now saying its possible the malaysian ai was full of corpses before it was shot down.

Also heard this one, it was the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been flying ever since without food or water thus all the corpses.

Wonder which one is the truth?....:confused:
 
Davey Jones said:
A Ukraine commander and the russian are now saying its possible the malaysian ai was full of corpses before it was shot down.

Also heard this one, it was the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been flying ever since without food or water thus all the corpses.

Wonder which one is the truth?....:confused:
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Heard that nonsense too. What a bunch of loonies!!
 
Davey Jones said:
A Ukraine commander and the russian are now saying its possible the malaysian ai was full of corpses before it was shot down.

Also heard this one, it was the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been flying ever since without food or water thus all the corpses.

Wonder which one is the truth?....:confused:
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As far-fetched as this sounds, there is actually some reasons for people claiming this. I am now looking at some of the videos from the "youtube detectives" that have found some discrepancies between the two planes.
Here is one short one that shows pictures of both planes before, and one of the wreckage now in the Ukraine. The pictures do actually seem to be of the missing plane, rather than the one that was shot down.

Before you just write this off as from a crackpot, at least look at the pictures !

http://youtu.be/aYY3Bku07fA
 
Happyflowerlady said:
As far-fetched as this sounds, there is actually some reasons for people claiming this. I am now looking at some of the videos from the "youtube detectives" that have found some discrepancies between the two planes.
Here is one short one that shows pictures of both planes before, and one of the wreckage now in the Ukraine. The pictures do actually seem to be of the missing plane, rather than the one that was shot down.

Before you just write this off as from a crackpot, at least look at the pictures !

http://youtu.be/aYY3Bku07fA
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but he can't confirm the photos. and he claims it was blown up on the ground. he's gotta go a lot deeper than this. the only way to confirm if their one in the same is to have the NTSB collect serial numbers. every part of that plane has a serial number. then compare that to numbers on MH370 thru Boeing's records. and we would need blood samples to compare with living relatives of 370. I don't know any other way they can do it
 
Justme said:
It would have suited the Government in Ukraine if US citizens had been on board that flight, as they would have hoped the US would go in mob handed to avenge their loss!
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Really? In that case wouldn't they have waited for a flight known to have US citizens aboard?
 
Regardless of how sloppy the scene was handled you have dog sh%T Ukrainian rebels or separatists looting the scene of the passenger's personal belongings including their credit cards and cell phones.

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/07/flight-mh17-crash-site-has-been-heavily-looted/374707/

I've seen reports of passenger relatives getting phone calls from the deceased passenger's cell phone.

Absolutely revolting. So old school hardline communist's are looting a crime scene for profit? Pieces of crap in the purest of forms.
 
Update - We have sent a contingent of Australian Federal Police to help secure the crash area and a week after the crash a large piece of the plane and more bodies have just been found. In that week two more Ukrainian planes have been shot down by missiles but there is doubt about whether they were fired from rebel held Ukrainian territory or from over the border in Russia. There is a civil war happening over there.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...-mh17-crash-site-as-dutch-take-charge/5622860
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/afp-officers-readying-to-join-mh17-security-force/5622082

The two flight recorders have been now handed over intact to the Dutch authorities who say that they have not been tampered with and the data has been downloaded.

Bodies have been flown out of Ukraine on military aircraft (we have one or two performing this duty) and taken to Amsterdam. Each body is contained in a separate coffin and carried in convoys of hearses to a military facility where forensic analysis and DNA identification will take place. Again, we have experts helping with this process. The bodies were met at the airport by the Dutch King and Queen, holding each other's hand for comfort and by high level representatives of all the countries involved. Our Governor General, officially our head of state as the Queen's representative was present, as was our Foreign Minister, representing the Prime Minister.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/afp-officers-readying-to-join-mh17-security-force/5622082

Our Foreign Minister is now in Kiev with others facilitating the process of securing the crash site and ensuring a safe zone for international teams to continue scouring the area for more bodies and parts of the plane.

I heard on the radio this morning that the Ukrainian government has collapsed, in that the coalition has fallen apart and new election will have to be held in October.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-25/ukraine-prime-minister-arseny-yatseniuk-quits/5622834

All in all, it's a very difficult situation but a lot of resources are being thrown at it at the highest level to try to establish exactly what has happened and to allow the bodies to repatriated to relatives in their own countries.
 
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