29 Elderly People Die in Norway After Vaccination

I'm confused.
They already had covid before they got the vaccine, perhaps?

Or were more apt to have shock reaction, due to being terminally ill?

It's upsetting, but I dont want to jump to any conclusions.
 

Another article on this story:
https://www.foxnews.com/health/norway-coronavirus-vaccines-23-deaths-elderly-frail-patients
It says, in part:

"Our immediate thoughts are with the bereaved families," Pfizer wrote to Fox News in an emailed statement. "Pfizer and BioNTech are aware of reported deaths following administration of BNT162b2. We are working with the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA) to gather all the relevant information. The Norwegian Authorities have prioritized the immunization of residents in nursing homes, most of whom are very elderly with underlying medical conditions and some who are terminally ill."


"NOMA confirmed the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations," the statement continues. "All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by NOMA to determine if there is any relation to the vaccine. The Norwegian government will also consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients’ health into consideration."

Nevertheless, the medical director of the Norwegian drug agency advised against frail patients receiving the vaccine."

"If you are very frail, you should probably not be vaccinated," Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency told reporters Thursday, per Norway Today.
 
Becky1951 said:
What could be in this vaccine that would cause elderly and or people with previous medical issues to die?? To scary!!!
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This vaccine taxes the body, which explains the side effects, so the frail or terminally ill may succumb to their bodies' reactions.

On the other hand, catching Covid might kill them if they're that frail. Not an easy decision.
 
There is probably NO vaccine that is 100% safe for everyone. Just listening to the possible "side effects" of all these "ask your doctor" prescription drugs being advertised on TV is enough to make me hesitant to take any of them. I'm sure there will be a small percentage of people who experience problems, or die, from this vaccine....but if the overwhelming majority can take the shot, and become immune to this virus, it seems well worthwhile.
 
Becky1951 said:
What could be in this vaccine that would cause elderly and or people with previous medical issues to die?? To scary!!!
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There is no way to know every ingredient in any vaccine, and there is no way to predict a bad reaction or an allergy to any ingredient. Allergies are only discovered after something bad happens.
A friend who's 66 years old & has medical issues almost died from a flu shot his doctor recommended because of his "Underlying Issues;" which is often the reason given. After 14 days in the hospital, the same doctor said, "No more flu shots for you."
Any vaccine taxes the immune system. Life is a "Terminal Illness;" it's not a matter of "If," it's a matter of "When." For some, the vaccine will make the "when" sooner.
Many people just aren't going to get Covid; for them, the vaccine is an unnecessary risk, IMO. Especially one that was rushed into production without the necessary 10-15 years of research, study & testing.
 
Don M. said:
There is probably NO vaccine that is 100% safe for everyone. Just listening to the possible "side effects" of all these "ask your doctor" prescription drugs being advertised on TV is enough to make me hesitant to take any of them. I'm sure there will be a small percentage of people who experience problems, or die, from this vaccine....but if the overwhelming majority can take the shot, and become immune to this virus, it seems well worthwhile.
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It's a 100% personal decision, without any right or wrong. Much like the flu shot, anyone who gains confidence should go for it. But no one has the right to fault either decision of others.
 
I know there seems to be different rules everywhere regarding this vaccine but I would like to know what terminal means in relation to these cases.
Hospice? Why give the vaccine,6 months to live getting chemo? Bad choice due to weakened immune system...
They are hesitant to give a flu or shingles shot if you're exhibiting cold symptoms so I'm guessing there's a back story to this.
 
StarSong said:
"NOMA confirmed the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations," the statement continues. "All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by NOMA to determine if there is any relation to the vaccine. The Norwegian government will also consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients’ health into consideration."
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In line with expectations ....... this is why fine print matters .......
Why wasn't the patients health a consideration before.

imagine as you go in for your shot they tell you "we EXPECT X amount of people to die from this"........ right off the top instead of the super fine print at the bottom of a paper seldom read....... or after the fact ...............

instead the push leads with.......... "civic duty" and "you won't be able to travel etc......"
 
Why is it these reports are so vague? They never say exactly what kind of reactions these people are having and they don't tell us what their underlying conditions are? Just because they died after getting the vaccine doesn't mean it was the vaccine. Until I see more information I'm not buying it. I think there's just a huge vaccine scare campaign in the works and everyone's just falling for it. Wait for more information. What bothers me is that an awful lot of this info is coming from money sites.
 
This sounds very puzzling. Only in Norway? Why?

How far gone were those people when they received the vaccine? Were they already at death's door? Did those who died actually die from the vaccine, or from Covid, which they had already, or some other cause?

There is too much not being said.
 
Sunny said:
This sounds very puzzling. Only in Norway? Why?

How far gone were those people when they received the vaccine? Were they already at death's door? Did those who died actually die from the vaccine, or from Covid, which they had already, or some other cause?

There is too much not being said.
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I doubt it is only in Norway but they are reporting it........... many may be taking the wait and see approach to announcing a problem.... This has been apparent in all matters with this virus ...... some countries with vague or non reporting of counts etc.
 
“all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday."

"All the reported deaths related to “elderly people with serious basic disorders,”

Norway Raises Concern Over Vaccine Jabs for the Elderly

• Death count raised, age threshold lowered from initial report
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• Country suggests vaccines may be too risky for the elderly
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Norway expressed increasing concern about the safety of the Pfizer Inc. vaccine on elderly people with serious underlying health conditions after raising an estimate of the number who died after receiving inoculations to 29.

The latest figure adds six to the number of known fatalities in Norway, and lowers the age group thought to be affected to 75 from 80. While it’s unclear exactly when the deaths occurred, Norway has given at least one dose to about 42,000 people and focused on those considered most at risk if they contract the virus, including the elderly.

Until Friday, the vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech SE was the only one available in Norway, and “all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

“There are 13 deaths that have been assessed, and we are aware of another 16 deaths that are currently being assessed,” the agency said. All the reported deaths related to “elderly people with serious basic disorders,” it said. “Most people have experienced the expected side effects of the vaccine, such as nausea and vomiting, fever, local reactions at the injection site, and worsening of their underlying condition.”

Official reports of allergic reactions have been rare as governments rush to roll out vaccines to try to contain the global pandemic. U.S. authorities reported 21 cases of severe allergic reactions from Dec. 14-23 after administration of about 1.9 million initial doses of the Pfizer vaccine. The first Europe-wide safety report on the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is due to be published at the end of January.

Australia’s Concern

Australia, which has an agreement for 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, is seeking urgent information on the issue from the producer, health authorities and Norway’s government, Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters in Melbourne on Sunday.

Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration will seek “additional information, both from the company, but also from the Norwegian medical regulator,” Hunt said. Australia’s foreign ministry will also contact its counterpart in Norway on the issue.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...talities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29
 
MarciKS said:
Why is it these reports are so vague? They never say exactly what kind of reactions these people are having and they don't tell us what their underlying conditions are? Just because they died after getting the vaccine doesn't mean it was the vaccine. Until I see more information I'm not buying it. I think there's just a huge vaccine scare campaign in the works and everyone's just falling for it. Wait for more information. What bothers me is that an awful lot of this info is coming from money sites.
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Strongly agree. If you vaccinate terminally ill people, of course some of them are going to die after getting the vaccine. They were already terminal, thus expected to die. Simply because A happened after B does not mean that B caused A. That's a long recognized logical fallacy, called post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

"The Latin expression post hoc, ergo propter hoc can be translated literally as "after this, therefore because of this."
The concept can also be called faulty causation, the fallacy of false cause, arguing from succession alone or assumed causation."

And it is scientific fact that none of the vaccines now in use can CAUSE covid, because none of them contain any viruses or parts of viruses, either killed or alive. They work on a different principal, using RDNA.

I think it far more likely that these persons had been exposed to covid, either before or after receiving the vaccine (and before the vaccine could take effect).
 
so far out of 1600 employees at work only 1 supposedly had issues for a week after the 1st dose. although i was not witness to this she claims it made her sick for a week. flu-like symptoms which i don't see how. some of the people i work with are using things as excuses to get time off because they stopped honoring our vacations through this. so it's hard telling. i just wouldn't put quite so much stock in these news articles if you don't know for sure.
 

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