5-year-old Utah boy accidentally shoots and kills himself

What if we were to ban ammunition instead of guns? Over time, it would run out and the guns left behind would be silenced. Outlaw the manufacture and sale of ammunition, ammo supplies run out soon after from gun owners and proponents buying it up while it's still available and legal, everyone's happy. Everyone that is except those who rely on the manufacturing and sales of ammunition for their livelihoods. It's like if gasoline were ever outlawed, that would stop a lot of drive by shootings too, in time.
 

Common sense - which isn't very common.
1. Responsible storage - which means a gun not being accessible to unauthorized persons. Much like not leaving matches where children can get to them, not allowing toddlers access to furniture polish, bleach or other chemicals they sometimes will drink, & not having an unfenced pool, which causes more tragedies than firearms.

2. I already addressed the other issue. Re-read post #5.
Thanks, Win. When my children were young I would not allow our son to accompany Hubby and some of his mates to go 'roo shooting on the weekend. 'Roo shooting involved standing in the back of a ute equipped with a spotlight while it bumped along over some farmers paddocks looking for kangaroos to stand still looking at the light.

When they spotted a mob they would open fire and afterwards they would dispatch any survivors with an axe handle.

I had several objections to this. One, they reckoned it would make a man of my little boy who would have been shattered by the brutality. Two, I didn't think bouncing around a paddock in the dark, with loaded guns at the ready, was very safe at all and three, the whole idea of the weekend was to drink lots of beer. You don't need to have a mensa IQ to think that this could be an accident waiting to happen.

The men thought I was most unreasonable for coddling our son but I put my foot down. Hubby went alone. He only went once.

This was long before Port Arthur. It worried me after this when that our son played with the sons of two or the men. Somewhere in each house was a shotgun and ammunition. One boy in particular was a bit wild and it was a worry each time they played together because I had no idea how secure the guns were or how safe the boys were.

The guns were legal because back then they didn't have to be licensed. When the stricter gun laws came in the men were incensed and reckoned they would bury their weapons in the back yard. I don't think they ever did.

I guess my point is that when sober these men were responsible enough, but when drunk that sense of responsibility falls away. Perhaps US beer is less intoxicating?
 
Thanks, Win. When my children were young I would not allow our son to accompany Hubby and some of his mates to go 'roo shooting on the weekend. 'Roo shooting involved standing in the back of a ute equipped with a spotlight while it bumped along over some farmers paddocks looking for kangaroos to stand still looking at the light.

When they spotted a mob they would open fire and afterwards they would dispatch any survivors with an axe handle.

I had several objections to this. One, they reckoned it would make a man of my little boy who would have been shattered by the brutality. Two, I didn't think bouncing around a paddock in the dark, with loaded guns at the ready, was very safe at all and three, the whole idea of the weekend was to drink lots of beer. You don't need to have a mensa IQ to think that this could be an accident waiting to happen.

The men thought I was most unreasonable for coddling our son but I put my foot down. Hubby went alone. He only went once.

This was long before Port Arthur. It worried me after this when that our son played with the sons of two or the men. Somewhere in each house was a shotgun and ammunition. One boy in particular was a bit wild and it was a worry each time they played together because I had no idea how secure the guns were or how safe the boys were.

The guns were legal because back then they didn't have to be licensed. When the stricter gun laws came in the men were incensed and reckoned they would bury their weapons in the back yard. I don't think they ever did.

I guess my point is that when sober these men were responsible enough, but when drunk that sense of responsibility falls away. Perhaps US beer is less intoxicating?
You were wise to not allow your son to participate and witness such foolishness. Some "Men" really surprise me at the stupid things they think makes them a "Man."
 

What if we were to ban ammunition instead of guns? Over time, it would run out and the guns left behind would be silenced. Outlaw the manufacture and sale of ammunition, ammo supplies run out soon after from gun owners and proponents buying it up while it's still available and legal, everyone's happy. Everyone that is except those who rely on the manufacturing and sales of ammunition for their livelihoods. It's like if gasoline were ever outlawed, that would stop a lot of drive by shootings too, in time.
No problem. I'm a handloader & competitive shooter. I have plenty of loaded rounds that work just as well in competition as in defense. In fact, they are better quality than any factory ammo.
I also have the components to make a lot more.
 
Very true but you’re a competitive shooter and so you look at guns in a different light. I don’t think that many teenagers or pre-teens are going to be able to or willing to invest in reloading supplies. Adult criminals might but many of them are lazy I’d think, so those would be the exception rather than the rule. Then too, if ammunition were outlawed or banned, reloading supplies could also be banned as well. If people want to shoot one another, let them learn archery.
 
There is really no activity where there are no people to worry about. This happened yesterday: (3 young people killed when 2 other cars street race.) Crash was so violent, one car was torn in half. And one young victim's body was found in a tree.
You are right, all things in life involve some risk. Having a rational discussion of risk and benefits is a good idea. In my experience I have known 2 people who died of accidental gun shot, and 3 who used guns to commit suicide. I don't know anyone who has needed a gun for self defense. Admittedly a very limited sampling, taking a close look at statistics of this kind might help drive more rational decision making. I am sure more people die in automobile accidents than by gun violence, but automobiles are necessary and important to our way of life. And we regulate them pretty well, maybe not well enough, but a lot more than guns.
What if we were to ban ammunition instead of guns?
An interesting idea, I understand that in Switzerland, a country with pretty liberal gun ownership laws by European standards anyway, that ammunition purchase is highly regulated. Might work...
I'm a handloader & competitive shooter.
The people I know who load their own are not the kind of people I worry about. You seem to fit that definition; I am sure your guns and ammo are safely stored and used.
Perhaps US beer is less intoxicating?
I wouldn't count on it, LOL! If the Fosters I have had is typical I do know your cans are bigger!

I am not anti-gun, as I have said I am a gun owner myself. However I do worry that we have too many guns in the US, many in the wrong hands. I am a supporter of rational debate and decision making.
 
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