86 Year Old Grandmother Starved Herself to Death, She Had No Alternative for Suicide

You're looking from the outside.
The view from the inside is nowhere near as distressing if the care is appropriate.
 

No thanks, and everyone I know that have visited these places say no thanks, and my sisters are in places that would put many upscale hotels to shame...
 
And you wanted to experience giving birth.
Death is but the other side of the coin.
It can be hard but that's life.
 

Me too Ralphy, very sorry to hear about your sisters. We have living wills, so the plug will be pulled after a certain point if we're being kept alive by artificial means...but I sometimes worry about Alzheimer's, where even if we would not want to live anymore after that diagnosis, we would not be in the state of mind to make that choice.
 
Poor woman having to go through that when it's her body, her life.....if that's a good enough reason to justify an abortion, why isn't it good enough for a sick, old person?
 
It is going to reach a financial crisis as baby boomers hit the nursing homes and have "hidden" their assets so the taxpayer pays for their care, while many children around the world live in squalor without a hope for a future...
 
Ralphy1 said:
It is going to reach a financial crisis as baby boomers hit the nursing homes and have "hidden" their assets so the taxpayer pays for their care, while many children around the world live in squalor without a hope for a future...
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But the point can be made that all their lives they contributed to the tax base and those 'hidden' funds usually end up in the families hands who then proceed to spend which helps the economy. It's not like it disappears forever right?
 
They may have contributed but their taxes went to support all of the programs that keep the country functioning, not just nursing homes...
 
No! Your nursing home care will be paid for under Medicaid. The point is that people with assets want the person cleaning toilets at the mall to pay for their care. This divesting of property and funds on children should be stopped. There is a five year look back at the moment to try and prevent transfer before the nursing home comes into view. I have already told my children that anything that I have should go my care...
 
Ralphy1 said:
They may have contributed but their taxes went to support all of the programs that keep the country functioning, not just nursing homes...
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Yep, you're right, but just speaking for the 99% which is most of the population, the money that I might have left from my years of saving will go to my children and grandkids, who will use it for education, housing, groceries, etc., all of which are again, taxable.....so the Nazi philosophy of 'useless eaters' doesn't apply does it? I might not be contributing to the same degree that I once did, but my savings (after I'm dead) will still be going into the economy so in a sense, yes, I'm still contributing.

I believe in Canada when it comes to aged seniors and housing, the government looks at their INCOME and determines from that if they pay for their housing and care. So if I have $200,000 invested and get dividends from that, plus whatever pension plans I'm registered in, those dividends and pension payments are my INCOME while the $200,000 is not considered. So if my INCOME is great enough, about 80% of that is taken to pay for my care and the government picks up the slack. And then when I die, my saved $200,000 is inherited by my children who then spend it and put it into the economy or maybe they save it and the income received from it's investment again goes to help with their care.

And keeping min mind that we are a species that flourishes both physically and spiritually and mentally with the premise of taking care of each other, could it not be said that the time when the elderly need 'extreme' help is payback for the time that they took care of the useless eaters otherwise known as the future generation/infants?
 
I get her point. I admire her willingness to go ahead with her decision. But along with dignity taking one's self out should be about sparing care takers, family and friends unnecessary effort. A five week suicide attempt is not trouble free. It should be clean, swift and final just should be an execution.

I can't believe with all the information out there she couldn't have purposely OD'd on pills or something. There was too much statement in this method.
 
WhatInThe said:
I get her point. I admire her willingness to go ahead with her decision. But along with dignity taking one's self out should be about sparing care takers, family and friends unnecessary effort. A five week suicide attempt is not trouble free. It should be clean, swift and final just should be an execution.

I can't believe with all the information out there she couldn't have purposely OD'd on pills or something. There was too much statement in this method.
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Personally, I feel for this lady and her family because everybody else's fears made it necessary for her to take this step. When our laws actually catch up with public sentiment as in Oregon or Belgium or Switzerland, doctor assisted suicide is legal, then she wouldn't have had to embark on this course. Apparently the approval rating for doctor assisted suicide is at 84% in Canada and yet here we are, no change (so far) in our laws.

And frankly I don't think for the average aging(dying) person it is all that easy to kill yourself unless that person is willing to opt for painful things like cutting your wrists or something but who wants loved ones to have to deal with that kind of discovery.

And when age old traditions and laws are in the process of changing, it usually requires a number of significant 'statements'. Otherwise it is too easy for a public that is by and large reluctant to change, to dismiss it. One old lady who cuts her wrists and then is buried vs. a dying senior who wasn't allowed a dignified death opts to end her own life by refusing to eat for five weeks. Which one do you remember?
 
We very briefly had legalised euthanasia in the Northern Territory.

Legalisation in the Northern Territory[edit]

Euthanasia was legalised in Australia's Northern Territory, by the Rights of the Terminally Ill Act 1995. It passed by a vote of 15 to 10 and a year later, a repeal bill was brought before the Northern Territory Parliament in August 1996, but was defeated by 14 votes to 11.[SUP][7][/SUP] Soon after, the law was voided by an amendment by the Commonwealth to the Northern Territory (Self-Government) Act 1978. The powers of the Northern Territory legislature, unlike those of the State legislatures, are not guaranteed by the Australian constitution. However, before the Commonwealth government made this amendment, three people had already died through physician assisted suicide under the legislation, aided by Dr Philip Nitschke. The first person was a carpenter, Bob Dent, who died on 22 September 1996.
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