A Change of Tradition

[Raddragn]

You are sounding very much like an incel in terms of attitudes towards women if not age. Your very negative attitude towards women would/should act as as a deterrant to most women, so It doesn't appear that you are in any danger of getting involved..

 

[Trish]

Equality is in quotes because women not only demand equal pay, BUT ALSO keep all of the ****** power. In other words women now want it all. Every bit of power. Financial power AND all of the ****** power.
If the day ever comes when women shoulder at least 50% of the initial dating experience , then I'll retract.

50%? That's a very generous offer senior chef. I'd have thought that any single lady would be only too happy to pick up the tab for a dating experience with a man of your calibre and sparkling wit.

 

[Pecos]

I stumbled into this thread pretty late and opened it because of the title. It was intriguing in many ways, and I had to think for a quite a while before posting a comment.

@senior chef,
The interactions between men and women vary all over the map and yours are at the extreme opposite from mine. First of all, count me as a man who has been "hit on" dozens of times, especially during my single years. I count being "hit on" as totally different from engaging in a conversation with a woman who simply wanted to get to know me. Some of the "hits" were amusing, subtle, clever, blunt, racy, or even forceful. All of the conversation from women who simply wanted to get to know me were fine and more enjoyable by far.

You spend a lot of time worrying about women taking financial advantage of you, and while there are "users" among women, there is no shortage of "users" among men. Both sexes have members who can be predatory, but my personal observation is that the vast majority of men and women simply want to enjoy life, enjoy companionship, and enjoy satisfying sexual relationships. I have known a couple of women who were "users", but I have known far, far more who were very fair and generous in a variety of ways.

I have to wonder what kind of "signals" are you sending out as you move through life. Your wording suggests that you think that you speak for all men, but you certainly do not speak for me on this subject.

@SeaBreeze @Pink Biz @Old aunt @Nathan @Bella @Shalimar @dseag2

 

[senior chef]

50%? That's a very generous offer senior chef. I'd have thought that any single lady would be only too happy to pick up the tab for a dating experience with a man of your calibre and sparkling wit.

I was referring to women who sit on the sidelines and wait for HIM to make the first move, AND because of that, she keeps total control .
If at least 50% of women make to first obvious move, in the dating experience, then, and only then, will I eat my words.

As for me, I have long since given up on women.

 

[Trish]

I was referring to women who sit on the sidelines and wait for HIM to make the first move, AND because of that, she keeps total control .
If at least 50% of women make to first obvious move, in the dating experience, then, and only then, will I eat my words.

As for me, I have long since given up on women.

Oh what a shame! Such a loss to womankind but, I guess, it's all our own fault

 

[senior chef]

I stumbled into this thread pretty late and opened it because of the title. It was intriguing in many ways, and I had to think for a quite a while before posting a comment.

@senior chef,
The interactions between men and women vary all over the map and yours are at the extreme opposite from mine. First of all, count me as a man who has been "hit on" dozens of times, especially during my single years. I count being "hit on" as totally different from engaging in a conversation with a woman who simply wanted to get to know me. Some of the "hits" were amusing, subtle, clever, blunt, racy, or even forceful. All of the conversation from women who simply wanted to get to know me were fine and more enjoyable by far.

You spend a lot of time worrying about women taking financial advantage of you, and while there are "users" among women, there is no shortage of "users" among men. Both sexes have members who can be predatory, but my personal observation is that the vast majority of men and women simply want to enjoy life, enjoy companionship, and enjoy satisfying ****** relationships. I have known a couple of women who were "users", but I have known far, far more who were very fair and generous in a variety of ways.

I have to wonder what kind of "signals" are you sending out as you move through life. Your wording suggests that you think that you speak for all men, but you certainly do not speak for me on this subject.

@SeaBreeze @Pink Biz @Old aunt @Nathan @Bella @Shalimar @dseag2

I do not, for one minute, think I speak for all men. I merely point out that men have the power to change the traditional dating experience, IF THEY DESIRE. Many younger ones, example MGTOW, are starting to be clued in.

 

[JaniceM]

As for me, I have long since given up on women.

And we are all eternally blessed.

 

[Packerjohn]

Hmm. Canadian women must be an anomaly, then. Surprisingly, many are quite sexually assertive.

Sexually Assertive in Canada? I don't know I haven't met any, except maybe in my dreams, but maybe it's just me.

 

[senior chef]

Sexually Assertive in Canada? I don't know I haven't met any, except maybe in my dreams, but maybe it's just me.

I seriously doubt that Canadian women are any different than women in the rest of the world.
Women know full well that men are usually driven by a desire for sex. That gives women the near total control of the sexual arena.

MGTOW advocates that men follow their own spirit and live a life free from the dictates of women. MGTOW does NOT advocate any harm to women. MGTOW merely says, 'Men, be free. Men, plan your life and live free from women.'

 

[SeaBreeze]

I stumbled into this thread pretty late and opened it because of the title. It was intriguing in many ways, and I had to think for a quite a while before posting a comment.

@senior chef,
The interactions between men and women vary all over the map and yours are at the extreme opposite from mine. First of all, count me as a man who has been "hit on" dozens of times, especially during my single years. I count being "hit on" as totally different from engaging in a conversation with a woman who simply wanted to get to know me. Some of the "hits" were amusing, subtle, clever, blunt, racy, or even forceful. All of the conversation from women who simply wanted to get to know me were fine and more enjoyable by far.

You spend a lot of time worrying about women taking financial advantage of you, and while there are "users" among women, there is no shortage of "users" among men. Both sexes have members who can be predatory, but my personal observation is that the vast majority of men and women simply want to enjoy life, enjoy companionship, and enjoy satisfying ****** relationships. I have known a couple of women who were "users", but I have known far, far more who were very fair and generous in a variety of ways.

I have to wonder what kind of "signals" are you sending out as you move through life. Your wording suggests that you think that you speak for all men, but you certainly do not speak for me on this subject.

@SeaBreeze @Pink Biz @Old aunt @Nathan @Bella @Shalimar @dseag2

Good reply! He seems to think of women as objects, not just another person. He's focused on "cost" vs "benefits" to him, instead of openly speaking to a woman he meets without judging them and being suspicious from the beginning. I would sense that immediately, and avoid him completely.

 

[senior chef]

Good reply! He seems to think of women as objects, not just another person. He's focused on "cost" vs "benefits" to him, instead of openly speaking to a woman he meets without judging them and being suspicious from the beginning. I would sense that immediately, and avoid him completely.

Every human relationship has a cost / benefit ratio. Not just relationships with women. . Absolutely nothing to do with treating people as objects.

Take a relationship with other men as an example. Let's say we run across a guy and initially like him. If that relationship is to continue, it must be balanced. In other words each should give as much as he receives. However, if one of those men is always a taker, rarely, if ever giving in return, the relationship is NOT balanced.

Likewise, the same applies to any relationship between a man and a woman.

 

[SeaBreeze]

I seriously doubt that Canadian women are any different than women in the rest of the world.
Women know full well that men are usually driven by a desire for sex. That gives women the near total control of the ****** arena.

MGTOW advocates that men follow their own spirit and live a life free from the dictates of women. MGTOW does NOT advocate any harm to women. MGTOW merely says, 'Men, be free. Men, plan your life and live free from women.'

Well, glad you found a special place for men with women issues. Those men are not the common man who is secure in how own skin and has rational and normal relationships with women, whether friendship or romantic.

You and your friends are the exception....thankfully. Most women who are very much like me, want a man who is not threatened by women, jealous of women, or feel some sick need to be superior to women. Those men treat others, regardless of gender, as equal to them.

They are not paranoid and seek the approval of others with the same shortcomings and emotional baggage like yourself. If you don't want to think realistically and improve your life regarding women, then stay with that group and spiral downward instead of moving forward and having normal relationships like everyone else.

I would not want people like you even as a friend, and that is sad. I hope you open your mind and get the real help you need, whatever group you're referring to is not the place for healthy minds. Still not sure what your *********** means, but don't say it here if it's vulgar and offensive.

 

[senior chef]

Well, glad you found a special place for men with women issues. Those men are not the common man who is secure in how own skin and has rational and normal relationships with women, whether friendship or romantic.

You and your friends are the exception....thankfully. Most women who are very much like me, want a man who is not threatened by women, jealous of women, or feel some sick need to be superior to women. Those men treat others, regardless of gender, as equal to them.

They are not paranoid and seek the approval of others with the same shortcomings and emotional baggage like yourself. If you don't want to think realistically and improve your life regarding women, then stay with that group and spiral downward instead of moving forward and having normal relationships like everyone else.

I would not want people like you even as a friend, and that is sad. I hope you open your mind and get the real help you need, whatever group you're referring to is not the place for healthy minds. Still not sure what your *********** means, but don't say it here if it's vulgar and offensive.

****** is neither vulgar or offensive. (sex**l) It is simply a word that is not allowed according to google. And it is automatically altered in spite of what I write.

I can't imagine why you would think that men who choose to go through life sans women as being threatened by, jealous of, or feel some need to be superior to women. MGTOW is simply a group of men who choose to be true to their desires and to live out their lives without a woman. What in the world could possibly be wrong with that ? A smaller percentage of men choose to become priests. Are they considered threatened by , jealous of or feel superior to women ?

As for living without me, I find that's just fine. I know full well who I am and I am completely comfortable . During the times I have lived with women, I was the sole cook in the house. As a professional chef, I fed them like queens. On the flip side, I was once, unfortunately, married to a feminist. Once, while busy repainting the living room. I asked her to please make me a sandwich. She flatly refused and said, "I am a feminist. We don't have to cook for men". My God, how nasty can a feminist get ?

 

[SeaBreeze]

****** is neither vulgar or offensive. (sex**l) It is simply a word that is not allowed according to google. And it is automatically altered in spite of what I write.

I can't imagine why you would think that men who choose to go through life sans women as being threatened by, jealous of, or feel some need to be superior to women. MGTOW is simply a group of men who choose to be true to their desires and to live out their lives without a woman. What in the world could possibly be wrong with that ? A smaller percentage of men choose to become priests. Are they considered threatened by , jealous of or feel superior to women ?

As for living without me, I find that's just fine. I know full well who I am and I am completely comfortable . During the times I have lived with women, I was the sole cook in the house. As a professional chef, I fed them like queens. On the flip side, I was once, unfortunately, married to a feminist. Once, while busy repainting the living room. I asked her to please make me a sandwich. She flatly refused and said, "I am a feminist. We don't have to cook for men". My God, how nasty can a feminist get ?

If that is true, I think the alleged comment about the sandwich is more about your attitude than hers. It's good if you and your group of angry misogynists and frustrated incels decide to keep to yourselves, you are all doing women a favor. As far as priests, I thought it was a desire to be 'married' to God, not just some angry bitter women-haters. I just feel sorry for the young boys that some of them end up turning to for their sick needs. Nothing Jesus would commend.