A police officer's opinion on George Floyd's death

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I have watched and reviewed the George Floyd video countless times. In all my years doing this, I have never seen a more blatant disregard for human life than what I witnessed in that video. It haunts me. It made me sick to my stomach. I can’t stop thinking about it. I’ve seen plenty of suffering and death in 19 years but have never watched a man die while the people who are supposed to protect them watched it happen and did nothing.

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I have watched and reviewed the George Floyd video countless times. In all my years doing this, I have never seen a more blatant disregard for human life than what I witnessed in that video. It haunts me. It made me sick to my stomach. I can’t stop thinking about it. I’ve seen plenty of suffering and death in 19 years but have never watched a man die while the people who are supposed to protect them watched it happen and did nothing.


Kneeling on someone’s neck is not a technique that is taught or accepted anywhere that I’m aware of. As a matter of fact, we specifically tell recruits and cops NOT to kneel anywhere near the spine or neck because you can paralyze or kill someone. There are countless other ways to control someone on the ground that don’t involve putting your knee into a person’s neck with all your weight for over 8 minutes.
 
This link also contains a link to the autopsy report. George tested positive for SARS 2 COVID virus. Could this have affected his breathing along with his blood level of fentanyl and meth? The knee on the SIDE of his neck certainly attributed to his death and may be proven as the only cause, but that will require expert testimony under oath by several pathologists.

Black friends have sent me info this morning of why they do not think this was racially motivated and why Floyd is NOT someone they want to be idolized by their children and grandchildren. Being a career criminal and being arrested for committing a crime while high on dangerous illegal drugs, is not to be glorified and martyrized. A rush to judgment never serves justice. The idea that an innocent man was arrested brutalized and killed by police because of the color of his skin, is false. https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floyd-criminal-past-record-arrest/20177/
 
About 50 years ago I saw a billboard showing a picture of a uniformed police officer giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a young child. Underneath was the caption. "Some call him pig." Not much has changed.
 
fmdog44 said:
About 50 years ago I saw a billboard showing a picture of a uniformed police officer giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a young child. Underneath was the caption. "Some call him pig." Not much has changed.
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Unfortunately that's true.. a few years ago "my kid the cop" saved a guy's life when the guy having a seizure went into cardiac arrest. It was said only around 4% of individuals in that condition survive. But he's alive and well, thanks to fast-thinking and lifesaving training by an officer who wasn't even on duty at the time, and wasn't obligated to render aid. :)
And then I come to this forum to endless posts about how all cops are bad and their family members are just 'in denial.' :mad:
 
MsFox said:
This link also contains a link to the autopsy report. George tested positive for SARS 2 COVID virus. Could this have affected his breathing along with his blood level of fentanyl and meth? The knee on the SIDE of his neck certainly attributed to his death and may be proven as the only cause, but that will require expert testimony under oath by several pathologists. Black friends have sent me info this morning of why they do not think this was racially motivated and why Floyd is NOT someone they want to be idolized by their children and grandchildren. Being a career criminal and being arrested for committing a crime while high on dangerous illegal drugs, is not to be glorified and martyrized. A rush to judgment never serves justice. The idea that an innocent man was arrested brutalized and killed by police because of the color of his skin, is false. https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floyd-criminal-past-record-arrest/20177/
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If you aren't already, you'd make a great criminal defense attorney - for the guilty.
Any cops in your family?
 
We have a LEO in our family. The Spousal Equivalent's older son is a Deputy Sheriff. Over the years that he's been in law enforcement, I've met many police officers. Are there bad ones? Sure, there are.....just as there are bad accountants, teachers, ministers, lawyers, Boy Scout leaders, firemen, etc.

I do not condone the actions of the officers involved in this case. They were wrong and should face judgement for their actions. But I WILL NOT paint with a broad brush the hue of shame across the whole nation of law enforcement officers. Do we read of bad lawyers, teachers, ministers, Boy Scout leaders. firemen and immediately say the whole bunch is bad? Law enforcement officers put their lives on the line every day to protect us. Every day. Every traffic stop they make could turn out to be their last one. Every burglary they get called to can rob their children of their father or mother. Every domestic violence incident they attend to can leave their spouse a widow/widower.

Next time someone is breaking into your house or pointing a gun at you, who ya gonna call?
 
jujube said:
We have a LEO in our family. The Spousal Equivalent's older son is a Deputy Sheriff. Over the years that he's been in law enforcement, I've met many police officers. Are there bad ones? Sure, there are.....just as there are bad accountants, teachers, ministers, lawyers, Boy Scout leaders, firemen, etc.

I do not condone the actions of the officers involved in this case. They were wrong and should face judgement for their actions. But I WILL NOT paint with a broad brush the hue of shame across the whole nation of law enforcement officers. Do we read of bad lawyers, teachers, ministers, Boy Scout leaders. firemen and immediately say the whole bunch is bad? Law enforcement officers put their lives on the line every day to protect us. Every day. Every traffic stop they make could turn out to be their last one. Every burglary they get called to can rob their children of their father or mother. Every domestic violence incident they attend to can leave their spouse a widow/widower.

Next time someone is breaking into your house or pointing a gun at you, who ya gonna call?
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I've presented that question locally to individuals who griped about how much they hate cops... reaction was like a puffed-up 10-year-old going 'I can take care of myself!!!' Yet- they're the same individuals who quickly hit 911 over the slightest difficulty!!
 
win231 said:
If you aren't already, you'd make a great criminal defense attorney - for the guilty.
Any cops in your family?
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A bit of a personal attack and very insulting. You apparently don't believe in the rule of law. You also don't read what I post. No doubt the officers are guilty at some level in this death, perhaps even 1st-degree murder. As the evidence grows it shows the assumptions made and presented as FACT that the police are racist and brutality beat this innocent gentle giant to death only because of his skin color may not be facts after all. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial, even police officers, but not in this case according to the media that has already labeled them as savage killers targeting black men to murder.

I am not defending the officers at all, just concerned that the rule of law applies to them and it not influenced by mob action. All four of these officers have already been lynched by the media as racist killers without any trial based on one cell phone video and ignoring all the other numerous videos and evidence.
 
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The purpose of this thread was to give one police officers' opinion on the death of Floyd. And as far as apologists for the police, it was not a virus, nor having athlete's feet ten years ago that killed Floyd. It was the human being kneeling on his throat , who killed him. Whether or not, racial animosity was involved in the death is unknown. It is impossible to determine from the video. The fact is that a police officer caused the death of his cuffed prisoner.

Regardless of "police procedure", this officer acted abusively, rashly, and with little regard for maintaining the life of his prisoner. That said, it is impossible NOT to understand the stark symbolism of a white cop, kneeling on the throat of a black man. Also, the fact that this death is on video, shown over and over, does not decrease the rage over it. And with this death, there is no way to justify this police action, in that the suspect is not armed, and restrained with cuffs. Claims of "He got a gun", and being terrified of losing ones life are not pertinent. It is obvious there's no way to justify the death.

As to the action of kneeling on someone's throat. There is no competent medical authority, which would support such a dangerous, life threatening procedure. As a nurse, it's not done. You do everything not to put stress on the carotid arteries. Blocking the carotid arteries is how you kill people.

It's my opinion that any police force, which has such a provision ,is an ignorant, back water, gang of misfits, unable to be of use in a free society. They are an abomination to the men and women, who truly serve the community, and nation.
 
I am not an apologist for corrupt police. I do believe the rule of law allows them a fair trial. They should not be convicted and lynched by the media and public based on one video while making the arrested criminal a hero and civil rights, martyr. I agree with Lt. Cotton and his outrage over the damage this is doing to the police and also his plea to the rioters which unfortunately will fall on deaf ears. It is his right to march with peaceful marchers, but if they protesting as a racially motivated killing, then I think it is disrespectful for him or any officer to join a protest before the facts are known and idolizing Floyd as a model citizen killed because of his skin color. Officers that get on their knees and beg for forgiveness for being born a certain skin tone are a disgrace and should have their badges revoked. One of my friends started giving cops a thumbs up as they pass. This officer was brought to tears, stopped, and thanked my friend for her support in a time when police are cast as villains. They dried their eyes and took this heartwarming photo that gives me hope. These wonderful ladies are the catalyst for the #copsthumbsup movement in support of the 99% good cops that are being degraded as villains out to get innocent dark-skinned people.
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MsFox, all your protests about the "rule of law" and "mob action" have a hollow ring. You concede that the police are guilty, perhaps even of 1st degree murder (which is more than I would charge them with; I don't think this was premeditated). But then you keep going off on a tangent about how the police are being "lynched," that Floyd is being idolized as a model citizen, and so on. Whether or not the police were racist is irrelevant; it is how they acted that matters. Throwing in all these objections to the huge outrage that has been generated by that gruesome video just succeeds in derailing the case against the four cops, who were clearly guilty of criminal behavior in full sight and on an undeniable video record. In this day and age, what we do is instantly visible, sometimes to the entire world. I don't know what was going through the heads of those four cops, but they seem to have forgotten that.

Were they racist? Who knows? I don't care whether they had warm, fuzzy feelings toward black people, or hated them. All I know is what I can plainly see on that video. And what I see is a hideous murder. That is the simple truth. It would have been just as hideous if done to a white man. The police of this country, most of whom are very decent, hard working people in a risky profession, have to stop permitting the few bad apples among them to continue with the murderous rampage that some of them are on.
 
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@Sunny Have you watched all the violence that resulted from this? The violence against innocent cops, their murders in cold blood? The mobs burning innocent people businesses? Bigs cities on fire? You saw what you call a hideous murder. I saw a murder that was horrible but not even close to a hideous murder.

Having witnessed murders first hand this doesn't compare to one burning alive in a fire screaming until death or from the pain of broken bones or dismembered limbs. Unfortunate that the rule of law and mob action has a hollow ring for you. So get the gallows set up and I am sure a lynching mod will be glad to kill these cops without any further trial.

Watch the video of the black police officer shot in the head and crawling several feet outside to die in a large pool of blood. That is the result of mod action that has a hollow ring for you. Sad that requesting the law be followed, just because the officers didn't, has a hollow ring.

If these officers were on a murderous rampage why didn't they kill the other two black people arrested with Floyd? Why didn't they take them in an alley and shoot them? Too many questions to just use the one video as evidence and convict and sentence without trial. How many more officers may be involved if there is corruption in this police dept.? Was this a drug ring hit?
 
MsFox said:
A bit of a personal attack and very insulting. You apparently don't believe in the rule of law. You also don't read what I post. No doubt the officers are guilty at some level in this death, perhaps even 1st-degree murder. As the evidence grows it shows the assumptions made and presented as FACT that the police are racist and brutality beat this innocent gentle giant to death only because of his skin color may not be facts after all. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial, even police officers, but not in this case according to the media that has already labeled them as savage killers targeting black men to murder.

I am not defending the officers at all, just concerned that the rule of law applies to them and it not influenced by mob action. All four of these officers have already been lynched by the media as racist killers without any trial based on one cell phone video and ignoring all the other numerous videos and evidence.
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Oooh, a bit touchy, aren't we?
What do you find insulting? Saying you'd make a great attorney suggests you are intelligent...you have to be to pass the bar. What is insulting about having cops in your family?
 
jujube said:
We have a LEO in our family. The Spousal Equivalent's older son is a Deputy Sheriff. Over the years that he's been in law enforcement, I've met many police officers. Are there bad ones? Sure, there are.....just as there are bad accountants, teachers, ministers, lawyers, Boy Scout leaders, firemen, etc.

I do not condone the actions of the officers involved in this case. They were wrong and should face judgement for their actions. But I WILL NOT paint with a broad brush the hue of shame across the whole nation of law enforcement officers. Do we read of bad lawyers, teachers, ministers, Boy Scout leaders. firemen and immediately say the whole bunch is bad? Law enforcement officers put their lives on the line every day to protect us. Every day. Every traffic stop they make could turn out to be their last one. Every burglary they get called to can rob their children of their father or mother. Every domestic violence incident they attend to can leave their spouse a widow/widower.

Next time someone is breaking into your house or pointing a gun at you, who ya gonna call?
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No one. What armed intruder will allow you to call the police? What homeowner would be so stupid as to try?
 
win231 said:
Oooh, a bit touchy, aren't we?
What do you find insulting? Saying you'd make a great attorney suggests you are intelligent...you have to be to pass the bar. What is insulting about having cops in your family?
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Insulting because you said "for the guilty" inferring I would get a guilty person off. That is not even close to what I would do. No cops as the present, just firefighters and paramedics. In the past a few FBI, one great uncle shot by Baby Face Nelson, but this doesn't bias my sense of justice for everyone.
 
MsFox said:
Insulting because you said "for the guilty" inferring I would get a guilty person off. That is not even close to what I would do. No cops as the present, just firefighters and paramedics. In the past a few FBI, one great uncle shot by Baby Face Nelson, but this doesn't bias my sense of justice for everyone.
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If you were a criminal defense attorney defending a client, it would be your duty to present evidence to get a guilty person off, whether or not you knew he was guilty. Much like "evidence" you have been posting for Mr. Floyd.
 
If these officers were on a murderous rampage why didn't they kill the other two black people arrested with Floyd? Why didn't they take them in an alley and shoot them? Too many questions to just use the one video as evidence and convict and sentence without trial.
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By murderous rampage, I am referring to the repeated episodes of violence, and often, murder, by white police against black men, often without any reason at all. And often, this kind of murder by others who were not policemen. (Trayvon Martin comes to mind). A black man walking in a white neighborhood? Kill him! A 14-year-old black kid in a movie theater asked to show ID by police, reaching into his pocket for his wallet, shot and killed. And how many other hideous murders of this type have we read about? (And yes, hideous is the right word.) It's like the days of lynch mobs have not ended.

Isn't it time that enough is enough? Without nitpicking this case to death, while an unarmed man, who was no danger to anyone, lies hideously murdered? As Joseph Welch said, at long last, no decency?

One final word on this: no one but you is saying that there should be a conviction and sentence without trial. Where have you even seen that idea suggested, by anyone other than yourself? Of course he has to be tried for the murder he plainly committed in full sight of the entire world.
 
JaniceM said:
And then I come to this forum to endless posts about how all cops are bad and their family members are just 'in denial.' :mad:
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Could you please give references to the endless posts about how all cops are bad and their family members are just ‘in denial?’

I know of only one member who might possibly fit that description.
ONE.
 

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