A police officer's opinion on George Floyd's death

Keesha said:
Could you please give references to the endless posts about how all cops are bad and their family members are just ‘in denial?’

I know of only one member who might possibly fit that description.
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It's quite simple. Whenever anyone says ANY cop is bad, the "We must support law enforcement" crowd will accuse them of saying ALL cops are bad. It's nothing more than a desperate attempt to direct focus away from the bad cop & cloud the issue.
You will find such nonsense in the medical field, also. Someone mentions a doctor who kills or maims a patient & within minutes, others accuse him of saying ALL doctors are bad.
As I noted previously, it usually involves people with cops or doctors in their family.
 

MsFox said:
This link also contains a link to the autopsy report. George tested positive for SARS 2 COVID virus. Could this have affected his breathing along with his blood level of fentanyl and meth? The knee on the SIDE of his neck certainly attributed to his death and may be proven as the only cause, but that will require expert testimony under oath by several pathologists.

Black friends have sent me info this morning of why they do not think this was racially motivated and why Floyd is NOT someone they want to be idolized by their children and grandchildren. Being a career criminal and being arrested for committing a crime while high on dangerous illegal drugs, is not to be glorified and martyrized. A rush to judgment never serves justice. The idea that an innocent man was arrested brutalized and killed by police because of the color of his skin, is false. https://thecourierdaily.com/george-floyd-criminal-past-record-arrest/20177/
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Did he really have fentanyl and meth in his bloodstream? Have the forensic blood tests come back? Or is it still speculation?

Secondly, even if drugs or covid-19 had affected his ability to breathe, how does that in any way affect the culpability of the officers whose kneeling on his neck for nearly 9 minutes was the proximate cause of his death, even though he was on the ground handcuffed and prone and was clearly in distress?

It isn't any more OK to kill him just because his breathing might have been affected by disease or drugs. Saint or sinner, Mr. Floyd's life was taken by those cops, and that's the simple, unadorned truth. But for their actions, the man would not have died in the street that day.
 
MsFox said:
@Sunny Have you watched all the violence that resulted from this? The violence against innocent cops, their murders in cold blood? The mobs burning innocent people businesses? Bigs cities on fire? You saw what you call a hideous murder. I saw a murder that was horrible but not even close to a hideous murder.

Having witnessed murders first hand this doesn't compare to one burning alive in a fire screaming until death or from the pain of broken bones or dismembered limbs. Unfortunate that the rule of law and mob action has a hollow ring for you. So get the gallows set up and I am sure a lynching mod will be glad to kill these cops without any further trial.

Watch the video of the black police officer shot in the head and crawling several feet outside to die in a large pool of blood. That is the result of mod action that has a hollow ring for you. Sad that requesting the law be followed, just because the officers didn't, has a hollow ring.

If these officers were on a murderous rampage why didn't they kill the other two black people arrested with Floyd? Why didn't they take them in an alley and shoot them? Too many questions to just use the one video as evidence and convict and sentence without trial. How many more officers may be involved if there is corruption in this police dept.? Was this a drug ring hit?
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Are you now blaming the murdered victim for all the riots and looting thats now happening? How can it possibly be his fault? He’s dead! From what I’ve read it seems that most of the worst violence is being done by white supremacy groups being bussed in to escalate the black / white conflict.

And why do you feel the need to keep belittling his death while boosting yourself up by entertaining us with graphic detail about all these horrific crimes you’ve witnessed , letting us know how easy he got off. After all, you’ve seen people being burned to death with their bones broken and limbs cut off. It sounds like stuff white supremists would do.

Why do you like escalating these conversations by writing such descriptive, graphic details of horrific abuse? Your style of writing is unmistakable.

Again what I find remarkably confusing is that in another thread you were saying that you ‘think’ there’s evidence that ‘clearly’ shows that this was a hit and all 4 officers were involved in a counterfeit money laundering scam with George Floyd being their runner. You suggested they were all in business together, something went wrong so they killed him. Post #83.

https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/george-floyd-was-a-victim.49771/page-4#post-1375660

Now you are doing a complete 180 claiming that if these officers were on a ‘murderous rampage’ then why didn’t they kill the other two black people that were with Floyd? Why didn’t they take them in an alley and shoot them all?

You keep mentioning the one video. Perhaps that’s all you’ve seen but there is more than one video. There were plenty of videos taken from other witnesses at different angles and they all matched up proving that splicing didn’t happen.
 
1st I have to say I have a great deal of respect for the Police. They put their lives at risk everyday to protect the people. Having said that I have to say that what happened to George Floyd was unacceptable. He was hand cuffed and could very easily been put in a Officers car. There wasn't any need to kneel on his neck like they did. Hopefully they will pay the price for what they did ,and I hope other Police officers will still get the respect they deserve.
 
MsFox said:
I am not an apologist for corrupt police. I do believe the rule of law allows them a fair trial. They should not be convicted and lynched by the media and public based on one video while making the arrested criminal a hero and civil rights, martyr. I agree with Lt. Cotton and his outrage over the damage this is doing to the police and also his plea to the rioters which unfortunately will fall on deaf ears. It is his right to march with peaceful marchers, but if they protesting as a racially motivated killing, then I think it is disrespectful for him or any officer to join a protest before the facts are known and idolizing Floyd as a model citizen killed because of his skin color. Officers that get on their knees and beg for forgiveness for being born a certain skin tone are a disgrace and should have their badges revoked. One of my friends started giving cops a thumbs up as they pass. This officer was brought to tears, stopped, and thanked my friend for her support in a time when police are cast as villains. They dried their eyes and took this heartwarming photo that gives me hope. These wonderful ladies are the catalyst for the #copsthumbsup movement in support of the 99% good cops that are being degraded as villains out to get innocent dark-skinned people.
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NO ONE should beg for forgiveness for being born of who they are.. that is beyond their control.. but how you conduct yourself once you become an adult is in your control. Not all cops are bad cops.
 
Sassycakes said:
1st I have to say I have a great deal of respect for the Police. They put their lives at risk everyday to protect the people. Having said that I have to say that what happened to George Floyd was unacceptable. He was hand cuffed and could very easily been put in a Officers car. There wasn't any need to kneel on his neck like they did. Hopefully they will pay the price for what they did ,and I hope other Police officers will still get the respect they deserve.
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How much respect police officers get will depend on whether or not justice is served. With criminal cops, it usually isn't.
 
I do believe there can be occurrences quite outside the norm, so early on, when this story first hit the news, I was prepared to believe there was another side to the dreadful death that did not look good, at first showing.

I get irate myself at all kinds of things, and most of us, if we feel threatened in some way, react to the threat, either by trying to appease whoever is treating us badly, or threatening us, or maybe we think of running off, or our temper comes up and we're for standing up to them, if we think we can or must. Police officers can't run away can they, so they don't have that option if they wish to keep their jobs and self respect. They can choose to appease whoever might be behaving in a threatening manner, and I'd guess they're well trained in this method of diffusing a situation, (maybe appease isn't the right word, maybe they try to "counsel" the individual who is threatening?).

However, all that said, it is hard to accept, if someone is telling you they can't breathe you don't respond in some way to those words, by at least ensuring whatever hold you have on them isn't cutting off vital functions, like breathing or blood supply. Even if you suspect they're only saying they can't breathe in order to gain an advantage in their struggle against you, assuming there was fight left in them after a certain length of time, maybe a minute or two I'd have thought. It must be possible to hold a suspect down for even ten minutes, by placing your knee over their neck, without killing them, but then the question is why do it?

I accept some things that don't appear to make sense, can have an element of logic behind them, and the other three officers involved must surely have either been thinking about these things, if one of their number had "lost it", but maybe policing doesn't allow one officer to criticise another in front of the public(?).
 
win231 said:
It's quite simple. Whenever anyone says ANY cop is bad, the "We must support law enforcement" crowd will accuse them of saying ALL cops are bad. It's nothing more than a desperate attempt to direct focus away from the bad cop & cloud the issue.
You will find such nonsense in the medical field, also. Someone mentions a doctor who kills or maims a patient & within minutes, others accuse him of saying ALL doctors are bad.
As I noted previously, it usually involves people with cops or doctors in their family.
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Well, then you haven't read my posts re: what I think of the MN situation and the individuals involved in it. Actually, though, your negativity predates what happened to Mr. Floyd. You were 'razzing' me about my connections to both law enforcement and military long before that man's death.
 
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