A San Diego ER is seeing about 37 pot related psychosis patients a DAY

Our head shops offer a 'senior' discount. I only had edibles once (didn't like losing control) and my free-spirited brother gave me a contact high driving to our job site, really didn't give a crap if we ever got there.
 

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JaniceM said:
I only used term MJ because that's term person used that I was quoting. Around here individuals call it weed.. which I hadn't heard in many decades.
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I didn't question your use of the term MJ because if you notice, I used it as well. Part of the reason is because I was being lazy. The other is because I know it's also referred to as Mary Jane. Don't know if anyone here read the story awhile back about a mother who named her daughter Marijuana (don't remember if that's how it was spelled). Can you imagine the teasing she got?
 
JaniceM said:
but individuals commit murder, rape, robbery- why not make all of that legal too?
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Those are clearly crimes against others, most of the damage done by drugs are to oneself. I know that's not 100% true, but it is closer. Probably the worst things are done by the folks supported by the illegal drug trade, cartels and the like. Legalizing things would mostly solve that problem. And if legal it would be easier to regulate and control usage.

My first choice would be to end drug use altogether, well maybe except for my own occasional whiskey and more frequent caffeine. But I don't think that is realistic. I believe the least damage would be done by legalization and regulation...
 
JaniceM said:
I don't recall that episode, and don't have time at the moment, but there was another that I believe originally aired in 1967 and it was on again a couple of years ago.. people should think how old a 2-year-old girl named Robin ("Robbie") would be today if her parents hadn't been so * stoned that they didn't notice she was drowning in an overflowing bathtub.
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I remember seeing that episode when it aired and laughing. Not at poor 'Robbie' but how cheap, sensationalist and preachy Dragnet had become. Just the facts, ma'am, not the propaganda. Who would give a child a bath while busy in another room I wouldn't trust straight either. Gosh, Janice, I even remember the room I was in and what I was doing when that episode came on TV!
 
Paco Dennis said:
It seems to me that teenagers experiment with many things that can be dangerous. Sex is a big one, smoking Tabaco, driving crazy, and even some sports have ruined the teenagers life by severe injury. Who here on this forum never broke a law OR disobeyed their parents to experiment in some way?
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I did lots of things when I was young that I was lucky enough to get away with. Just because I did something doesn't mean I need to tell myself it was a good thing to do and then recommend it to young people, or pass laws to make it easier for them.

When the marijuana question comes up people are often quick to bring up all the bad effects of alcohol as if to say we already have one recreational substance ruining lives, we should add another one! Prohibition didn't work because alcohol had been ingrained in our society, and legal, since the beginning of time.

Making marijuana legal just means it will become just as ingrained as alcohol and just as hard to outlaw if and when enough studies prove how harmful it can be.

Legalization means it will be in more homes, and while it wont be sold to teens, if it's there they will find it just as they find their parent's alcohol and cigarettes. Those things have been legal for a long time and under government control, that hasn't made them harmless.

Lots of the, "Sure that kid smoked weed and killed himself but his weed was probably laced with another drug," reminds me of all the push back about cigarettes. People said the only reason some people got lung cancer was they smoked unfiltered or they didn't have anything to drink with it or they smoked the wrong brand. people had to see their own relatives die of lung cancer before they started to believe.

Then there are always references to Reefer Madness. A silly sexploitation film from the 30's exists with totally wrong information doesn't prove a thing in either direction.

Warnings from controlled studies published by the NIH are not the same thing as old TV shows and movies.

Here's your happy legalized marijuana world:
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...fornias-shadow-marijuana-industry/8960873002/
 
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Della said:
Making marijuana legal just means it will become just as ingrained as alcohol and just as hard to outlaw if and when enough studies prove how harmful it can be.

Legalization means it will be in more homes, and while it wont be sold to teens, if it's there they will find it just as they find their parent's alcohol and cigarettes. Those things have been legal for a long time and under government control, that hasn't made them harmless.
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If I though that was true I would probably agree with you. I am just not sure it is. Marijuana and other illegal drugs are pretty easily available right now, to kids or adults. I am not sure legalizing them would change that a lot, but it would allow for regulation, and end the huge cash flows to criminals we have now.
 
Alligatorob said:
I am not sure legalizing them would change that a lot, but it would allow for regulation, and end the huge cash flows to criminals we have now.
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Did you read the link? It looks like that huge cash is going to the same criminals it always did.
 
Della said:
Did you read the link? It looks like that huge cash is going to the same criminals it always did.
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I did and I believe the reason that is happening is that marijuana is not fully legal anywhere in the US.

It is still against federal law. They just don't or haven't take enforcement actions against small suppliers. That is why you don't see it in Walmart or see any bigger businesses having anything to do with it. Including banks. So long as that is the case the whole marijuana business will operate in the shadows, and will include illegal participation.

If legal it would be no different from a lot of other California crops, everything from oranges to walnuts.
 
Alligatorob said:
Those are clearly crimes against others, most of the damage done by drugs are to oneself. I know that's not 100% true, but it is closer. Probably the worst things are done by the folks supported by the illegal drug trade, cartels and the like. Legalizing things would mostly solve that problem. And if legal it would be easier to regulate and control usage.

My first choice would be to end drug use altogether, well maybe except for my own occasional whiskey and more frequent caffeine. But I don't think that is realistic. I believe the least damage would be done by legalization and regulation...
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The problem with legalizing drugs is that the users tend to want stronger stuff so regulating or over regulating them would drive users/abusers right back to criminal street dealers. Prices might be cheaper too depending on the tax put on legal street drugs.

It's one thing NOT to make possession/personal use a felony but it's another to legalize them period.

Also too much out there that children can confuse with candy or safe. Every year reports of children accidently eating drug laced product.
 
WhatInThe said:
The problem with legalizing drugs is that the users tend to want stronger stuff so regulating or over regulating them would drive users/abusers right back to criminal street dealers. Prices might be cheaper too depending on the tax put on legal street drugs.
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I know getting the regulation right might be a challenge, and might take some trial and error. However we do seem to be doing it pretty well with alcohol. There is some illegal moonshine bought and sold, but not a whole lot. Same could be said for cigarettes...
 
Senior Ben is the exception amonst we seniors in mentioning alcohol. Booze was and is plentiful and has been since before we were born. As seniors we seem to avoid mentioning the drug that most or many of us swill down on an average day.

Does it amaze anyone, when reading the stats on alcohol abusing drivers, that no one amongst the senior set EVER drives under the influence? Only teens and young folks have these crashes? I don't think so, not if the news reports are correct. Some mention "driving under" may have happened when they were young but never today.
Car crashes killing and maiming untold numbers, marriages ruined, jobs lost, people murdered, all while under the influence of alcohol - - -long before today's "drugs" became an additional scourge.

Easy to jump on someone else's drug use but don't want to hear or penalize about our own.
 
We have an old friend who smoked pot every day from older teen until about 7 years ago. She is in her late 60's now. Then one day she decided she no longer cared about it. So much for marijuana being habit-forming, she stopped one day and never used it again.

I use a combination of THC and CBD in a pill form, it is very helpful in getting to sleep. DH uses an oil for the same reason I do, works well for him too. Our son tried it in the pill I use, however he is very sensitive to all medications and the pill made him high. So now he uses a pill that is half the strength of mine. It helps his pain from Mortons Neuroma in his feet.
 
My son went off to college with a full merit scholarship and plans to be a doctor. The first year he was on the Dean's list. The second year he discovered marijuana. After a few times he said he got high and his exact words were, "I felt my brain break." The next day he walked down the street and saw peoples faces melt. He began to hear voices. He walked out of school and was missing for a while, then found and diagnosed with schizophrenia. It doesn't run in our family.

There followed about ten years of various attempts with medication, a half dozen suicide attempts, and several homeless periods. Now he is finally stabilized, but he will never have the life he planned.

He works (minimum wage) comes home, eats dinner, and goes to sleep until time to get up and go to work again. The medication, which costs over a thousand a month, makes him need that much sleep and has caused him to gain weight that simply wont come off.

I thank God for that medication every day because before that he was trapped inside a horrible nightmare, but I really wish he had never experimented with that "harmless," drug.
 
Della said:
My son went off to college with a full merit scholarship and plans to be a doctor. The first year he was on the Dean's list. The second year he discovered marijuana. After a few times he said he got high and his exact words were, "I felt my brain break." The next day he walked down the street and saw peoples faces melt. He began to hear voices. He walked out of school and was missing for a while, then found and diagnosed with schizophrenia. It doesn't run in our family.

There followed about ten years of various attempts with medication, a half dozen suicide attempts, and several homeless periods. Now he is finally stabilized, but he will never have the life he planned.

He works (minimum wage) comes home, eats dinner, and goes to sleep until time to get up and go to work again. The medication, which costs over a thousand a month, makes him need that much sleep and has caused him to gain weight that simply wont come off.

I thank God for that medication every day because before that he was trapped inside a horrible nightmare, but I really wish he had never experimented with that "harmless," drug.
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I am sorry to hear that, you have my sympathy. It makes your comments on marijuana a lot more powerful...
 
It’s legal here and we can grow three of our own plants, as long as they’re not visible to the general public. There sure are a lot of stores in this town. It’s all highly regulated. They’re must be lots of demand because none of them are going away.
 
Here in Washington state, there are loads of stores selling marijuana and related products. Also big billboards you can see from the street and highways.
 

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