A thought experiment for those who do not believe some or most of what we have been told about Covid 19.

asp3

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I'm really trying to understand your points of view and I am not trying to set you up for criticism or ridicule. I'd just like to know what you would need to change your mind.

So, let's assume that most of what we've been told about Covid-19 is reasonably accurate. (You can use your own definition of reasonably accurate.) What sort of reporting or who would you need to hear from to trust that what has been widely reported is correct?
 

I really feel ya, amigo but it just ain't gonna happen. Nobody's mind will change no matter what good evidence you present. If they wanna believe the earth is flat and the orange slime is their savior, qanonannoying fake news will win out every time. "Stupid is as stupid does."

Anyone open to a good debate might listen . . . but, that's not what we're dealin' with here.

So, I wish ya lots a luck. I really do. :cool:
 
COVID.... is basically the common cold
Covid 19 is the latest version of this common cold (humanly modified???)
There is no doubt its a bad bug and devastating to folks that are already
burdened with health issues.
The end of this is im afraid is not done
 

old medic said:
COVID.... is basically the common cold
Covid 19 is the latest version of this common cold (humanly modified???)
There is no doubt its a bad bug and devastating to folks that are already
burdened with health issues.
The end of this is im afraid is not done
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Thank you for your thoughts.
 
asp3 said:
I'm really trying to understand your points of view and I am not trying to set you up for criticism or ridicule. I'd just like to know what you would need to change your mind.

So, let's assume that most of what we've been told about Covid-19 is reasonably accurate. (You can use your own definition of reasonably accurate.) What sort of reporting or who would you need to hear from to trust that what has been widely reported is correct?
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There is no one left now that I hold a stitch of trust, faith, or sense of comfort in their word.

It's like the boy who cried wolf. Screw around good old-fashioned folk long enough, and sooner or later your word will be dirt, and that's where I'm at with it.
 
Aunt Marg said:
There is no one left now that I hold a stitch of trust, faith, or sense of comfort in their word.

It's like the boy who cried wolf. Screw around good old-fashioned folk long enough, and sooner or later your word will be dirt, and that's where I'm at with it.
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Thank you for your response. I don't expect another response, but after reading what you wrote I'm wondering if there are any things you do trust. My take on what you wrote is that you don't trust the word of any other people. However I also think I might be wrong about that.
 
Keesha said:
I don’t understand the questions the OP is asking.
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I'm sorry my words did not make sense and I didn't effectively communicate. I'm trying to find out if there are any sources of information that people would believe regarding Covid-19. There are several or many people on this forum who do not trust and/or do not believe what we've been told about Covid-19. I'm wondering who could tell them things they currently don't believe or trust so that they would believe or trust the information. Or if there aren't any people they would believe or trust are there are any sources of information they would trust or believe since they don't believe what most mainstream sources are telling us.
 
asp3 said:
Thank you for your response. I don't expect another response, but after reading what you wrote I'm wondering if there are any things you do trust. My take on what you wrote is that you don't trust the word of any other people. However I also think I might be wrong about that.
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Sure, Asp, I trust the word of other people (selectively), but as far as the whole Covid fiasco goes, I'm all but done.

I didn't believe a word as to how Covid came about from the start, and I still don't believe information related to.

Allow me to layout a prime example for you. When the vaccination campaign started here in Canada, we were told that the second injection would, and should happen X-amount of days after the initial does was administered.

Shortly there are, when Pfizer went down due to production issues, suddenly it was okay to extend the time-frame between the first and second dose.

Then came information that vials with 5 doses in them were being stretched out to administer 6 doses, and that 6 doses was plenty, yet Pfizer was clear that each vile was only good for 5 doses.

And to date the conflicting, false, and even drummed-up information keeps flowing in, changing from day to day. What was new today, is old tomorrow.

Just how long can this keep going on where people aren't going to start questioning the integrity of those at the top?
 
While I don't believe everything I'm told, too many people are willing to believe a lie just because it sounds better than the truth. It's ok for little kids to do that, but by the time one is 50+, one should know the world doesn't trouble itself with making sure everyone believes some BS about public health. If anything it will tone down the seriousness, so people don't become afraid.
 
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asp3 said:
I'm sorry my words did not make sense and I didn't effectively communicate. I'm trying to find out if there are any sources of information that people would believe regarding Covid-19. There are several or many people on this forum who do not trust and/or do not believe what we've been told about Covid-19. I'm wondering who could tell them things they currently don't believe or trust so that they would believe or trust the information. Or if there aren't any people they would believe or trust are there are any sources of information they would trust or believe since they don't believe what most mainstream sources are telling us.
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Thank you. That’s what I thought you meant but I wasn’t quite sure.

I’m skeptical about many things especially where big bucks are concerned. Follow the money trail and you usually find all the BS that goes along with all the changes that need doing, the extra taxes that need charging or the next reason why our rights are being taken away.

At first I believed everything I heard about this virus and was completely spooked. Then once I heard that patients that die from Covid get larger insurance claims which means that hospitals, nursing homes etc., profit from declaring a death as a result from Covid, my blinders started coming off.

I don’t doubt that there’s a virus. I don’t doubt that it can kill people and has been. What I doubt are all the people who jumped on the Covid band wagon so they could make a larger profit.

Having said all that, I personally know medical nurses and support workers who have to work with Covid patients who claim it’s hell.

So honestly I feel torn. On one side of the coin I do think certain professionals exaggerate the virus to profit from it and on the other hand I think there’s a lot of really kind hearted souls who have reached out and gone beyond the call of duty to help their fellow man/woman and I find it incredibly touching.

I’m confused more than anything. Today I hugged my sister in law and it’s the first person, besides my husband, that I’ve hugged in a long time and it felt so nice and I’m not really the huggy type.

What I find confusing is when government make strict mandatory rules for everyone but keep the schools open. The logic is that the parents can’t care for their children at home because they have to work and the government is desperately trying to stop an economy collapse.

Then I think about Texas and how their government handled it. They decided to not wear masks and their cases went down significantly.

Also logically if this virus is airborne then I’d think any virus particle getting caught in your mask would incubate far faster. Plus people need fresh air to keep their immune systems peeking at their best. Viruses mutate to their surroundings. Maybe sterilizing everything and wearing masks all day long can lead to deadlier more potent viruses.

Some things make logical sense but other things seem right whacked out.
 
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Frankly right now I no longer trust any of the information being fed to us. If it didn't change from day to day and person to person it would be different but everything is conflicting. I'm starting to feel like something has been done on purpose to harm us to what end I don't know. But someone is lying and covering up a large dirty secret and we're sitting ducks. JMO.

It's been 13 months of this wishy washy BS information coming at us from everywhere. It's been 13 months of people bickering online and offline about it. I'm frickin done with all of this COVID crap. I don't wanna talk about it anymore or hear about it anymore. I will wear my masks and stay in isolation if that's what it takes to stay alive. And I no longer give a rats ass what anyone elses opinion is. No offense to you Asp.

Peace out.
 
Keesha said:
Thank you. That’s what I thought you meant but I wasn’t quite sure.

I’m skeptical about many things especially where big bucks are concerned. Follow the money trail and you usually find all the BS that goes along with all the changes that need doing, the extra taxes that need charging or the next reason why our rights are being taken away.

At first I believed everything I heard about this virus and was completely spooked. Then once I heard that patients that die from Covid get larger insurance claims which means that hospitals, nursing homes etc., profit from declaring a death is a result from Covid, my blinders started coming off.

I don’t doubt that there’s a virus. I don’t doubt that it can kill people and has been. What I doubt are all the people who jumped on the Covid band wagon so they could make a larger profit.

Having said all that, I personally know medical nurses and support workers who have to work with Covid patients who claim it’s hell.

So honestly I feel torn. On one side of the coin I do think certain professionals exaggerate the virus to profit from it and on the other hand I think there’s a lot of really kind hearted souls who have reached out and gone beyond the call of duty to help their fellow man/woman and I find it incredibly touching.

I’m confused more than anything. Today I hugged my sister in law and it’s the first person, besides my husband, that I’ve hugged in a long time and it felt so nice and I’m not really the huggy type.

What I find confusing is when government make strict mandatory rules for everyone but keep the schools open. The logic is that the parents can’t care for their children at home because they have to work and the government is desperately trying to stop an economy collapse.

Then I think about Texas and how their government handled it. They decided to not wear masks and their cases went down significantly.

Also logically if this virus is airborne then I’d think any virus particle getting caught in your mask would incubate far faster. Plus people need fresh air to keep their immune systems peeking at their best. Viruses mutate to their surroundings. Maybe sterilizing everything and wearing masks all day long can lead to deadlier more potent viruses.

Some things make logical sense but other things seem right whacked out.
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Thank you for your detailed response. I'm happy to hear that you were able to hug your sister in law. I hope that eventually you're able to feel as if you have a good handle on what's happened and it makes sense to you.
 
MarciKS said:
Frankly right now I no longer trust any of the information being fed to us. If it didn't change from day to day and person to person it would be different but everything is conflicting. I'm starting to feel like something has been done on purpose to harm us to what end I don't know. But someone is lying and covering up a large dirty secret and we're sitting ducks. JMO.

It's been 13 months of this wishy washy BS information coming at us from everywhere. It's been 13 months of people bickering online and offline about it. I'm frickin done with all of this COVID crap. I don't wanna talk about it anymore or hear about it anymore. I will wear my masks and stay in isolation if that's what it takes to stay alive. And I no longer give a rats ass what anyone elses opinion is. No offense to you Asp.

Peace out.
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No offense taken. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings about all that you're hearing and what it's lead you to believe or suspect.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Sure, Asp, I trust the word of other people (selectively), but as far as the whole Covid fiasco goes, I'm all but done.

I didn't believe a word as to how Covid came about from the start, and I still don't believe information related to.

Allow me to layout a prime example for you. When the vaccination campaign started here in Canada, we were told that the second injection would, and should happen X-amount of days after the initial does was administered.

Shortly there are, when Pfizer went down due to production issues, suddenly it was okay to extend the time-frame between the first and second dose.

Then came information that vials with 5 doses in them were being stretched out to administer 6 doses, and that 6 doses was plenty, yet Pfizer was clear that each vile was only good for 5 doses.

And to date the conflicting, false, and even drummed-up information keeps flowing in, changing from day to day. What was new today, is old tomorrow.

Just how long can this keep going on where people aren't going to start questioning the integrity of those at the top?
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Many people are desperate for hero worship & to them, anyone with capital letters after their name (like Fauci or Ferer) is automatically believed without question. The "All doctors & cops are heroes" complex.
 
Why I don't believe this #1

Because they lied from the start about what their agenda was and what is really going on here. How can "Stay at home for four weeks" turns into 13 months and nobody questions this because it's hard to admit you may have misplaced your trust.

Why I don't believe this #2

Last April during what we were told was the "Peak", and were under stay at hope orders because covid cases were skyrocketing, I went to a local hospital and saw NOTHING. I drive by this hospital all the time and noticed absolutely NO activity - during what is supposed to be the peak of a pandemic. The front parking lot was completely empty. The rear parking lot was hidden from view up a long driveway so I drove up there. About 3/4 of the way up I was halted by a guy in a booth and made a U turn back out but not before seeing there were only two cars in the rear parking lot. So how are all the doctors and nurses you see constantly on the news treating covid patients getting to work? Helicopter? This hospital is not on a public transportation route.

Since then I've heard others, not too many. say similar things about empty hospitals. They are treated as crackpots but after my experience, I'm listening more to them than I am to the news, Not everyone goes and investigates for themselves. I did and that is what I discovered.
 
asp3 said:
I'm sorry my words did not make sense and I didn't effectively communicate. I'm trying to find out if there are any sources of information that people would believe regarding Covid-19. There are several or many people on this forum who do not trust and/or do not believe what we've been told about Covid-19. I'm wondering who could tell them things they currently don't believe or trust so that they would believe or trust the information. Or if there aren't any people they would believe or trust are there are any sources of information they would trust or believe since they don't believe what most mainstream sources are telling us.
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I think the problem is that those in authority simply don't know themselves the full facts of this virus. Therefore the information they give the public is confusing and we keep getting mixed messages.
 
I have consistently sought out the real figures published deep on government websites rather than just believe what is reported.
And a nurse who lives next door to a friend has consistently insisted that reports of overwhelmed hospitals are inaccurate.
He insists this past Winter was less busy than normal.
And I believe him.
Nothing will change the way I have thought since day one.
 
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chic said:
Why I don't believe this #1

Because they lied from the start about what their agenda was and what is really going on here. How can "Stay at home for four weeks" turns into 13 months and nobody questions this because it's hard to admit you may have misplaced your trust.

Why I don't believe this #2

Last April during what we were told was the "Peak", and were under stay at hope orders because covid cases were skyrocketing, I went to a local hospital and saw NOTHING. I drive by this hospital all the time and noticed absolutely NO activity - during what is supposed to be the peak of a pandemic. The front parking lot was completely empty. The rear parking lot was hidden from view up a long driveway so I drove up there. About 3/4 of the way up I was halted by a guy in a booth and made a U turn back out but not before seeing there were only two cars in the rear parking lot. So how are all the doctors and nurses you see constantly on the news treating covid patients getting to work? Helicopter? This hospital is not on a public transportation route.

Since then I've heard others, not too many. say similar things about empty hospitals. They are treated as crackpots but after my experience, I'm listening more to them than I am to the news, Not everyone goes and investigates for themselves. I did and that is what I discovered.
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I took 2 elderly friends to the ER several months ago while we were being told ER's are crowded, the hallways are lined with patients on gurneys because there are no beds, hospitals are filled to capacity, and there were so many deaths, bodies were stacked in meat trucks in the parking lot.
There were TWO people in the ER waiting room, my friends were seen right away, several doctors were standing around with nothing to do, there were no patients in the hallways & there wasn't a single meat truck in the parking lot.
Three months ago, my sister went to the ER with a UTI. Same situation - she was seen immediately, no one in the waiting room.
 
chic said:
Why I don't believe this #1

Because they lied from the start about what their agenda was and what is really going on here. How can "Stay at home for four weeks" turns into 13 months and nobody questions this because it's hard to admit you may have misplaced your trust.

Why I don't believe this #2

Last April during what we were told was the "Peak", and were under stay at hope orders because covid cases were skyrocketing, I went to a local hospital and saw NOTHING. I drive by this hospital all the time and noticed absolutely NO activity - during what is supposed to be the peak of a pandemic. The front parking lot was completely empty. The rear parking lot was hidden from view up a long driveway so I drove up there. About 3/4 of the way up I was halted by a guy in a booth and made a U turn back out but not before seeing there were only two cars in the rear parking lot. So how are all the doctors and nurses you see constantly on the news treating covid patients getting to work? Helicopter? This hospital is not on a public transportation route.

Since then I've heard others, not too many. say similar things about empty hospitals. They are treated as crackpots but after my experience, I'm listening more to them than I am to the news, Not everyone goes and investigates for themselves. I did and that is what I discovered.
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I can see why that would make you doubt what's being reported.
 
Ok, I have changed my view a little bit. I read an article this morning from CDC (Centre for Disease Control); an organization that we should believe. They said that this constant wiping everything is a complete waste of time and effort. You chance of getting Covid-19 from a dirty object is about 1 in10,000. This virus is air born so we should concentrate on filters or masks. So, the wiping of your shopping cart is just a waste of time. Don't believe me. Blame this information on the CDC unless, of course, you are smarter than they are!

By the way, the promotion of Covid-19 will continue for some time until more people get the jab or until people are just sick of it. There are still a lot of people making money out of this pandemic without realizing what it's going to cost the country. Of course, with free government money for some people, why go to work when you can sit home, enjoy free money and watch Netflix all day long? Is this what used to be called, "The Life of Raleigh?"
 
Furryanimal said:
I have consistently sought out the real figures published deep on government websites rather than just believe what is reported.
And a nurse who lives next door to a friend has consistently insisted that reports of overwhelmed hospitals are inaccurate.
He insists this past Winter was less busy than normal.
And I believe him.
Nothing will change the way I have thought since day one?
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Thank you for telling me what you are doing to get information you feel is more trustworthy than what is being reported.
 

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