asp3
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Thank you for expressing what you think is behind the Covid-19 information that's being shared. I definitely agree that the information we've been given has changed over time.
A thought experiment for those who do not believe some or most of what we have been told about Covid 19.
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Thank you for expressing what you think is behind the Covid-19 information that's being shared. I definitely agree that the information we've been given has changed over time.
I agree.
Our authority on Covid (here in BC) is Dr. Bonnie Henry, and you would think (talking with others) that she is a god, and that her word is the last word, gospel.
SetWave
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"Coronaviruses usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. However, SARS-CoV-2 can cause serious illness and even death. Why people's COVID-19 symptoms vary so greatly isn't fully understood."
Irwin
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The CDC isn't my go-to source, since it had been politicized and a nut-job, conspiracy theorist was in charge for a while. I prefer Johns Hopkins University for my covid-19 info.
MarciKS
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Well if the hospitals are so empty then can someone explain to me why New York had freezer trucks full of dead bodies in their lots? You gonna tell me that crap was fake and on the tv news? I just don't buy it.
Why would places like New York need freezer trucks and other smaller places hardly see any cases? We had dead bodies rolling by us every day at work there for a while. It was hard to see.
But I doubt these drs and nurses would get on live television and lie about what's happening in their facilities. I find it hard to believe that any hospital would allow fake freezer trucks in their lots to be filmed for some nefarious purpose. And I seriously doubt that any hospital would only have 2 cars in the parking lot of a fully staffed hospital. Usually there's places for visitors to park and separate places for staff to park.
And let's not forget about the field hospitals. Some of the towns surrounding our county had them. We did not. So what does that tell anyone??
All of it is just too questionable. And @Packerjohn I just heard about that wiping things down on a news spot on the radio the other day so I totally understand. I just think it would be nice if we knew WTH was going on but I don't think we ever will. And I don't believe that this virus will magically go away and that we will ever return to normal again.
Why would places like New York need freezer trucks and other smaller places hardly see any cases? We had dead bodies rolling by us every day at work there for a while. It was hard to see.
But I doubt these drs and nurses would get on live television and lie about what's happening in their facilities. I find it hard to believe that any hospital would allow fake freezer trucks in their lots to be filmed for some nefarious purpose. And I seriously doubt that any hospital would only have 2 cars in the parking lot of a fully staffed hospital. Usually there's places for visitors to park and separate places for staff to park.
And let's not forget about the field hospitals. Some of the towns surrounding our county had them. We did not. So what does that tell anyone??
All of it is just too questionable. And @Packerjohn I just heard about that wiping things down on a news spot on the radio the other day so I totally understand. I just think it would be nice if we knew WTH was going on but I don't think we ever will. And I don't believe that this virus will magically go away and that we will ever return to normal again.
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Knight
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A trusted source with factual accurate information.
Government = political motivation to twist any info for political gain
Big Pharma = Profit driven so what ever might sound truthful is professionally written to CYA in case of horrendous side effects.
3rd party sources = can't get factual accurate information.
My conclusion = each has to make their own choice about what they feel is right for them.
Government = political motivation to twist any info for political gain
Big Pharma = Profit driven so what ever might sound truthful is professionally written to CYA in case of horrendous side effects.
3rd party sources = can't get factual accurate information.
My conclusion = each has to make their own choice about what they feel is right for them.
officerripley
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I agree with all but your conclusion; there's no way in heck I'd just do what I "feel is right for" me when it comes to medical/health issues; I'd at least talk to my M.D. about it. I figure even if the guy were a jerk--I totally don't think he is--he knows more than I do about my health, because all those years of med. school up against my high school diploma? No brainer: I'm gonna check with him.
Thanks city girl. It was painful but it’s getting better. The extra weight I put one from not being able to exercise is at times hard to accept but this summer I’ve got so much to do that I know I’ll lose it.
I hope you are doing ok to. How have things been ? How is your mom doing? Did you find any government assistance to help with your mom?
Gaer
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I would generally trust Hannity or the "America First" site. CDC , not so much. Their site really diminishes the adverse side effects expected, while"through the grapevine" I'm hearing of all kinds of deaths and severe diseases/ reactions from the vaccine. This is odd because I hardly talk to anyone!
Why are they hiding that three labs in Wuhan were working on this vaccine at the same time because the Chinese Communist Government ordered this to be made and distributed throughout the world? And the techniction who told that it was purely political "Disappeared"?
It's so hard to trust these days.
Why are they hiding that three labs in Wuhan were working on this vaccine at the same time because the Chinese Communist Government ordered this to be made and distributed throughout the world? And the techniction who told that it was purely political "Disappeared"?
It's so hard to trust these days.
AnnieA
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I understand why you say this but it's an oversimplification and a little too broad. Covid-19 and several viruses that cause versions of the common cold are in the same viral taxinomic family--coronavirus--but are not the same organism. Also, most cases of the common cold are caused by organisms in the rhinovirus taxinomic group. "Common cold" is defined by a symptom set rather than a particular virus or virus family. Know that's preachy but it's that pesky biology bachelor's degree rearing its head.
I understand why you say this but it's an oversimplification and a little too broad. Covid-19 and several viruses that cause versions of the common cold are in the same viral taxinomic family--coronavirus--but are not the same organism. Also, most cases of the common cold are caused by organisms in the rhinovirus taxinomic group. "Common cold" is defined by a symptom set rather than a particular virus or virus family. Know that's preachy but it's that pesky biology bachelor's degree rearing its head.
That’s what the above links states also. There’s a significant difference.
StarSong
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Thanks to both of you for the clarifications. Facts matter.I understand why you say this but it's an oversimplification and a little too broad. Covid-19 and several viruses that cause versions of the common cold are in the same viral taxinomic family--coronavirus--but are not the same organism. Also, most cases of the common cold are caused by organisms in the rhinovirus taxinomic group. "Common cold" is defined by a symptom set rather than a particular virus or virus family. Know that's preachy but it's that pesky biology bachelor's degree rearing its head.
AnnieA
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We're not in the clear yet and it's still a brand new bug from a medical perspective, vaccines are still in an emergency, experimental stage. Advice and recommendations have naturally shifted over the past year or so because it is a 'novel' virus as its full name indicates. Qualified scientists and medical professionals are still not in agreement over prevention and treatment measures.
More concerning than naming a current "who to trust" for accurate information is the silencing of qualified professionals (most recently Princeton educated Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology at Oxford) that are not following the 'script of the moment' by media and social media. Science isn't easy or 'cookie cutter' ...and though we're in a pandemic situation, there's not just a medical component, there's also an economic impact that may in the end be more devastating; I hope not, but the potential is certainly there. Regardless of how all that shakes out, silencing debate is not in the best interest of science ...either medical or social.
So I really can't answer the question as you posed it while the pandemic is ongoing. I hope there is enough freedom of information online in five to ten years to be able to retrospectively analyze who was most accurate.
Currently, we have to keep in mind that the disease is new. As Keesha stated above, we also have to keep in mind as we read ever shifting edicts who is profiting from the advice of the moment ...both from a monetary and a social engineering standpoint.
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One reason for the constantly changing information is that this virus is still very new to humankind. That's why it's called the "novel" coronavirus. The findings of the medical community keep changing because all we have to go on it what's happened so far. So the way things "seemed to be" a year ago, when the virus was just a few months old, would of course have to be different after millions have died from the disease, and many more millions were sickened by it. The medical and scientific researchers are learning all the time, and passing their findings along to us.
For instance, it was logical to think, at the beginning, that this disease was easily spread by touching surfaces (tables, countertops, doorknobs) that had the virus sitting on them. Recent research shows that that wasn't really true, it spreads almost entirely through the air, especially when propelled by sneezing, coughing, or yelling. So of course, masks are more effective than wearing gloves.
There seems to be an air of suspicion in some members of this forum, against scientists and others who are educated in this subject. I think some people have been indoctrinated to mistrust the findings of science and think there is a conspiracy out there to fool the public into believing what is not true, for some reason. But I think the answer is much simpler. We are all just learning, and our knowledge is incomplete. We do the best we can. Scientists are working very hard to seek answers, and I think the speed with which they came up with a vaccine is astonishing!
Interesting question, Asp, thanks for asking it.
For instance, it was logical to think, at the beginning, that this disease was easily spread by touching surfaces (tables, countertops, doorknobs) that had the virus sitting on them. Recent research shows that that wasn't really true, it spreads almost entirely through the air, especially when propelled by sneezing, coughing, or yelling. So of course, masks are more effective than wearing gloves.
There seems to be an air of suspicion in some members of this forum, against scientists and others who are educated in this subject. I think some people have been indoctrinated to mistrust the findings of science and think there is a conspiracy out there to fool the public into believing what is not true, for some reason. But I think the answer is much simpler. We are all just learning, and our knowledge is incomplete. We do the best we can. Scientists are working very hard to seek answers, and I think the speed with which they came up with a vaccine is astonishing!
Interesting question, Asp, thanks for asking it.
officerripley
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This! (Espec. what I bolded.)
Knight
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This was about believing what is out there for info regarding covid-19. I think my conclusion still works, because right for you is checking with your doctor .
officerripley
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For what is out there for info regarding covid-19, I think it'd be right for everyone to check with their M.D. Or an epidemiologist, if you know one (and most people don't, so therefore it'd be your M.D.). Known fact: Covid is an epidemic. Known fact: people best trained in epidemics? Epidemiologists. People next-best trained? M.D.s.
Knight
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Wouldn't it be great if several top of their field epidemiologists were to investigate all the factors surrounding Covid & then put out their best thoughts on this epidemic?
AnnieA
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That's best done retrospectively, unfortunately. And there will still always be some dissent. Like I said above, this sort of science isn't easy even without the complicating factors of financial gain and worldview bias.
I know you will. I don't need govt assistance to take care of mom which is a good thing cuz we don't get much of it here. I won't be able to work in this state cuz of covid restrictions so may have to move to a state that isn't so strict. We'll see. Say a prayer for us. Will do the same for you.
Absolutely will send a few prayers your way. I think of you and your mom often. It’s not easy doing what you are doing. You’re a great woman to do that for your mom chic. She’s lucky to have you.
I wasn’t specifically referring to financial assistance but possibly some other help however so much has changed due to Covid. We are moving to a less expensive province with less Covid cases and much slower pace.
It was a lot of work but so work it.
Wishing you the best
Warrigal
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Yes, like the way a tiger is different to a tabby cat, even though both are felines.
Thanks and I hope your move works out well. I have heard the covid cases are high in some parts of Canada. Maybe this move will help you both. Hugs and have a good day - Chic.
