Em in Ohio
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"They were following orders to clear the park." But, the issue for me is how they do it. If we allow brutality, violence will only increase.
A white 75 year old white protestor attacked by the police knocked down, caught on video.
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Aneeda72
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Dropping people off in the middle of the street after processing them is a common practice. The police are not a taxi service. Besides I think you claimed outside agitators were responsible for the riots so why do you care?
Playing music loud, seriously, you are under the impression young people play music soft?
. Define how many hours are several hours before a potty break? As for accidentally cutting them when taking their zip ties off, hmm, can I see the proof that it was not accidental, poor babies.
Aneeda72
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I am ok with it. This often happens as one ideal leads to another.
Camper6
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My take on it. I was shocked that they just walked by him with his head bleeding. Now as to riots, etc. He didn't die. If there was no death in the Minnesota case, there would never have been the repercussions that took place. I suppose it takes a death to bring reality to the surface.
Thanks for your clearcut understanding of this issue, asp3, Butterfly, and Win. Butterfly, that Nuremberg defense is exactly what I was referring to.
But after shaking my head in disbelief at the statement that "Not everyone is Christian, so not everyone knows the ten commandments," I decided that this is not worth wasting any more time on. (Aneeda, the Christians are not the people who gave us the Ten Commandments. Good grief.)
But after shaking my head in disbelief at the statement that "Not everyone is Christian, so not everyone knows the ten commandments," I decided that this is not worth wasting any more time on. (Aneeda, the Christians are not the people who gave us the Ten Commandments. Good grief.)
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hollydolly
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The 2 police officers who knocked the 75 year old peaceful protester down... have been charged
Two Buffalo cops have been arrested and charged with second degree assault after they shoved a 75-year-old peace activist to the ground Thursday causing him to crack his head open on the sidewalk.
The two officers, named as Aaron Torgalski and Robert McCabe, were arraigned in a virtual court hearing Saturday morning over the shocking incident that left peaceful protester Martin Gugino in a 'serious condition' in hospital.
They face up to seven years in prison if convicted of the class D felony.
The charges were announced as their team of colleagues who resigned in 'disgust' over the officers' treatment gathered outside the city court Saturday morning in protest.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hoved-peace-activist-75-expected-CHARGED.html
Two Buffalo cops have been arrested and charged with second degree assault after they shoved a 75-year-old peace activist to the ground Thursday causing him to crack his head open on the sidewalk.
The two officers, named as Aaron Torgalski and Robert McCabe, were arraigned in a virtual court hearing Saturday morning over the shocking incident that left peaceful protester Martin Gugino in a 'serious condition' in hospital.
They face up to seven years in prison if convicted of the class D felony.
The charges were announced as their team of colleagues who resigned in 'disgust' over the officers' treatment gathered outside the city court Saturday morning in protest.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hoved-peace-activist-75-expected-CHARGED.html
But remember this is just the 1% of cops who are unfair to others. 
Plus I’d just like to point out that this is a white elderly gentleman and it did in fact make the news . Just sayin.’
What a horrible way to be treated. Apparently there are people all around the world getting treated like this by the police. Many are getting stung by tasers , have tear gas thrown at them and are being aggressively handled.
That 1% is sure looking large.
To be fair to the police though, they have a tough enough job doing the type of work they do. Add the pandemic to the table , so now they need to do social distancing , probably makes that impossible so they truly are putting their lives at risk. If that isn’t tough enough now there are protestors protesting all across the world and even though protesting is legal, it outs more stress on law enforcement. Note: nothing justifies what happened to this man.
Hoping the man makes a speedy recover and anyone else who may have been unfairly hurt while peacefully protesting.
Plus I’d just like to point out that this is a white elderly gentleman and it did in fact make the news . Just sayin.’What a horrible way to be treated. Apparently there are people all around the world getting treated like this by the police. Many are getting stung by tasers , have tear gas thrown at them and are being aggressively handled.
That 1% is sure looking large.
To be fair to the police though, they have a tough enough job doing the type of work they do. Add the pandemic to the table , so now they need to do social distancing , probably makes that impossible so they truly are putting their lives at risk. If that isn’t tough enough now there are protestors protesting all across the world and even though protesting is legal, it outs more stress on law enforcement. Note: nothing justifies what happened to this man.
Hoping the man makes a speedy recover and anyone else who may have been unfairly hurt while peacefully protesting.
Aneeda72
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I disagree even if he hadn’t died, being held down that long and recorded would have been a problem. How big a problem, we will never know.
Aneeda72
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I agree, no excuse for what they did to a man who posed no threat at all.
I doubt these moronic cops will be charged appropriately, which would be "Crime against an elderly person."
Note the mindset involved when one cop stopped to help the victim & another cop stopped him: "Let him bleed; he deserves it."
You have to appreciate the courage it takes to beat up an elderly man.
Note the mindset involved when one cop stopped to help the victim & another cop stopped him: "Let him bleed; he deserves it."
You have to appreciate the courage it takes to beat up an elderly man.
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Aunt Bea
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We all see different things.
The officers that knocked the man down while attempting to clear the area are trained to keep moving forward and are not trained or equipped to provide medical attention.
In the video of the incident, you can see snippets of the trained EMTs in camouflage clothing starting to provide medical attention within seconds. IMO it's unfair and unfortunate that part of the video isn't obvious.
It's unfortunate that the two officers pushed the man instead of taking him into custody for violating the curfew and resisting commands to clear the area but here we are.
The officers that knocked the man down while attempting to clear the area are trained to keep moving forward and are not trained or equipped to provide medical attention.
In the video of the incident, you can see snippets of the trained EMTs in camouflage clothing starting to provide medical attention within seconds. IMO it's unfair and unfortunate that part of the video isn't obvious.
It's unfortunate that the two officers pushed the man instead of taking him into custody for violating the curfew and resisting commands to clear the area but here we are.
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Aneeda72
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Yes, I think that would be a felony
Aneeda72
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Yes, that’s what was claimed except clearing on the video one officer tried to help the elderly guy and was pushed onward by the other officer. It never should have happened!
Camper6
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We have seen hundreds of those type of videos when nothing got done. You would have received the usual resisting arrest b.s. and it's an approved method. Death is final.
Aneeda72
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I have not seen hundreds of them, but maybe you have, idk.
Camper6
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Figure of speech. Plenty satisfy you?
Aunt Bea
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The thing that concerns me the most about this situation and many others is that since cell phones and social media have become so popular we are now seeing a new form of mob rule in this country.
A few seconds of video can be used to whip people into a frenzy that ruins people's lives and cause politicians to enact policies without any thought or investigation it all seems to be based on emotion and listening to the loudest voices.
I do believe that these videos can be valuable tools in evaluating various police interactions and be used to revise training or implement new procedures. These videos could also have value to an independent citizens review board to help inform the public about existing procedures and suggest future changes.
I'm not suggesting that we hide or restrict these videos but I do believe that we should let the system work to resolve these issues and not allow mob rule to be the norm.
A few seconds of video can be used to whip people into a frenzy that ruins people's lives and cause politicians to enact policies without any thought or investigation it all seems to be based on emotion and listening to the loudest voices.
I do believe that these videos can be valuable tools in evaluating various police interactions and be used to revise training or implement new procedures. These videos could also have value to an independent citizens review board to help inform the public about existing procedures and suggest future changes.
I'm not suggesting that we hide or restrict these videos but I do believe that we should let the system work to resolve these issues and not allow mob rule to be the norm.
Aneeda72
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I’ve never seen any other video of police pushing down an elderly man or woman.
It's black & white when a video shows a cop killing a handcuffed suspect.
It's black & white when a video shows a cop injuring an elderly person for no reason & another cop prevents him from providing first aid.
You can be in a state of denial all you want but it doesn't change reality. Such cops are criminals.
Camper6
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Never seen 'any' videos or reports of police incidents of roughing up people, tear gas, arrests. or whatever? Your personal experience is not the norm.
asp3
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Unfortunately it's a good bet that the two officers directly involved in injuring the man are not morons. To me they are far more dangerous than that. They are unconcerned with the well being of those preventing them from following their orders. They were unwilling to find some way other than violence to achieve their goals. I'm sure that neither one of them thought that the man would be injured only frightened or shown who was dominant in the situation.
Em in Ohio
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Officers charged with second-degree assault: (From NBC news) Two Buffalo officers, who were suspended without pay after a video showed police shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground at a George Floyd protest on Thursday night, were charged Saturday with second-degree assault.
A large crowd of police officers and firefighters stood in front of Buffalo City Court to show support for the two officers as they attended a virtual arraignment on Saturday.
Officers Robert McCabe, 32, and Aaron Torgalski, 39, pleaded not guilty to the charges of second-degree assault, a felony. They are both scheduled to return to court on July 2
Buffalo Police officers Robert McCabe and Aaron Torgalski.
The now-viral video of the incident shows longtime social justice activist Martin Gugino, 75, approaching a large group of officers in tactical gear and saying something. The officers yell for him to move back before one appears to push him. Gugino then stumbles backwards and falls. Seconds later, a pool of blood can be seen near his head. The incident occurred shortly after the city's 8 p.m. curfew, NBC affiliate WGRZ in Buffalo reported.
Erie County District Attorney John Flynn said in a press conference after the arraignment that McCabe and Torgalski "clearly crossed the line." "I can't turn a blind eye to that," he said.
"If he was violating a curfew, if he was being disorderly, you turn him around, handcuff him, and take him away arrested. It's as simple as that," said Flynn. "You don't take a baton and shove it; along with the officer next to him using his right hand to shove him and knock him down, and crack his head, his skull on the concrete."
Gugino was taken to Erie County Medical Center in Buffalo and was in serious but stable condition.
As of Saturday, Gugino was still recovering at the hospital and is reported to be "alert and oriented."
Nearly 60 members of the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team, who are specially trained for civil unrest, resigned from that unit Friday after the two officers were suspended over the incident, officials said.
Video shows Buffalo police shoving man during protest
JUNE 5, 202000:35
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a news conference Saturday voiced support for the mayor and district attorney's response. "There's no tolerance for delay of justice in society anymore," he said.
"We saw the video ... what we saw was horrendous, disgusting, I think illegal," said Cuomo. "I understand this situation is super heated. It is controversial; people are frightened; people are polarized; there is no path that is going to make everybody happy. There is a path to do the right thing, and do the just thing." "I think what the mayor did and the district attorney did was the right thing," the governor said.
A large crowd of police officers and firefighters stood in front of Buffalo City Court to show support for the two officers as they attended a virtual arraignment on Saturday.
Officers Robert McCabe, 32, and Aaron Torgalski, 39, pleaded not guilty to the charges of second-degree assault, a felony. They are both scheduled to return to court on July 2
Buffalo Police officers Robert McCabe and Aaron Torgalski.
The now-viral video of the incident shows longtime social justice activist Martin Gugino, 75, approaching a large group of officers in tactical gear and saying something. The officers yell for him to move back before one appears to push him. Gugino then stumbles backwards and falls. Seconds later, a pool of blood can be seen near his head. The incident occurred shortly after the city's 8 p.m. curfew, NBC affiliate WGRZ in Buffalo reported.
Erie County District Attorney John Flynn said in a press conference after the arraignment that McCabe and Torgalski "clearly crossed the line." "I can't turn a blind eye to that," he said.
"If he was violating a curfew, if he was being disorderly, you turn him around, handcuff him, and take him away arrested. It's as simple as that," said Flynn. "You don't take a baton and shove it; along with the officer next to him using his right hand to shove him and knock him down, and crack his head, his skull on the concrete."
Gugino was taken to Erie County Medical Center in Buffalo and was in serious but stable condition.
As of Saturday, Gugino was still recovering at the hospital and is reported to be "alert and oriented."
Nearly 60 members of the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team, who are specially trained for civil unrest, resigned from that unit Friday after the two officers were suspended over the incident, officials said.
Video shows Buffalo police shoving man during protest
JUNE 5, 202000:35
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a news conference Saturday voiced support for the mayor and district attorney's response. "There's no tolerance for delay of justice in society anymore," he said.
"We saw the video ... what we saw was horrendous, disgusting, I think illegal," said Cuomo. "I understand this situation is super heated. It is controversial; people are frightened; people are polarized; there is no path that is going to make everybody happy. There is a path to do the right thing, and do the just thing." "I think what the mayor did and the district attorney did was the right thing," the governor said.
Aneeda72
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Ok, last attempt- the conversation IS about a ELDERLY 75 YEAR OLD MAN, how many men or woman in the 75 year old range have you seen pushed down by the police recorded on video? Not tear gassed, not arrested, not whatever.
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