Accidental school shooting - one dead, one injured.

So why weren't the metal detectors working? Seems to me that not having the metal detectors working is negligent as all get-out. What's the point in having metal detectors if you aren't going to use them??
 

What encourages a kid to bring a gun to school in the first place. He apparently wasn't some wacko intending on blowing folks away or has the gun culture become so prevalent that this is becoming commonplace. How harsh would the penalty be for just carrying the weapon, even if it wasn't discharged? Severe or just a slap on the wrist?
 
Maybe they are just not practical in every school layout.

All the news says they had them, but were not using them that day. Practical or not, they need to be used. A student getting a gun into school isn't "practical," either. I, for one, do not care how impractical or inconvenient something is -- if will prevent students being shot at school, then it needs to be used.
 
And now it seems that metals detectors are needed for every visitor to a one thousand bed VA home. I looked at the California VA home on Google and it looks like a small city. How would you establish a secure perimeter without turning it into a prison camp?
 
And now it seems that metals detectors are needed for every visitor to a one thousand bed VA home. I looked at the California VA home on Google and it looks like a small city. How would you establish a secure perimeter without turning it into a prison camp?

Just to let you know, if you didn’t know, this Thread is about the University shooting, not the VA Home shooting where a Veteran killed three women and himself.
 
Yes, thanks ClassicRocker, but during this thread much was made of metal detectors plus armed guards being the answer to shootings in schools. If that is all that is needed then logically that is what is needed at the entrance of every VA or seniors' home, as well as all theatres, libraries, railway stations etc.

I did make an earlier comment about this solution not being practical for every building layout, the VA home being just one where it would be very difficult to establish a secure perimeter.

Actually, if you look again at the title of this thread, it is about an accidental shooting in a school, not a university.
 
Yes, thanks ClassicRocker, but during this thread much was made of metal detectors plus armed guards being the answer to shootings in schools. If that is all that is needed then logically that is what is needed at the entrance of every VA or seniors' home, as well as all theatres, libraries, railway stations etc.

I did make an earlier comment about this solution not being practical for every building layout, the VA home being just one where it would be very difficult to establish a secure perimeter.

Actually, if you look again at the title of this thread, it is about an accidental shooting in a school, not a university.

The "school" was a university aka "school of higher learning". Guess it depends on how someone's looks at the words "university" and "school".

I don't know what's happening out there, but we're only in the third month of this year and how many shooting have we already had? Unbelievable!!
Just (really) what can be done?
 
Another thing to think about:

Kids find a gun in the home, because parents (may) think that keeping all firearms locked up in a gun case, with gun locks on them, doesn't keep the family safe. IOW, parents "think" that if a loaded gun is in a draw in the home and no lock on the gun, it can be accessible if needed. They also "think" that those that keep all of their firearms locked up, with trigger locks on each, haven't got access to the firearms, if needed.

Sort of a "double-edged sword", especially when a couple has a family to protect and/or lives in an area where "protection" may be needed.

We have nobody living with us, just wife and I, but we also don't have any accessible firearm, if needed. Ours is locked up in a case, with trigger lock on it. There is a full clip sitting next to it, but not in it. Now, my brother keeps a gun in a draw in the bedroom. Unlocked and fully loaded. His wife know how to use it as well. We just don't believe in having an accessible loaded firearm.

Then again, a lot of kids (pre-teens and teens) in Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and other "cowboy" type states, know how to use firearms. They learn to shoot at a pretty early age, clean the firearm and learn how to handle it safely.
 
Another thing to think about:

Kids find a gun in the home, because parents (may) think that keeping all firearms locked up in a gun case, with gun locks on them, doesn't keep the family safe. IOW, parents "think" that if a loaded gun is in a draw in the home and no lock on the gun, it can be accessible if needed. They also "think" that those that keep all of their firearms locked up, with trigger locks on each, haven't got access to the firearms, if needed.

Sort of a "double-edged sword", especially when a couple has a family to protect and/or lives in an area where "protection" may be needed.

We have nobody living with us, just wife and I, but we also don't have any accessible firearm, if needed. Ours is locked up in a case, with trigger lock on it. There is a full clip sitting next to it, but not in it. Now, my brother keeps a gun in a draw in the bedroom. Unlocked and fully loaded. His wife know how to use it as well. We just don't believe in having an accessible loaded firearm.

Then again, a lot of kids (pre-teens and teens) in Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and other "cowboy" type states, know how to use firearms. They learn to shoot at a pretty early age, clean the firearm and learn how to handle it safely.


I was one of those kids, and at least partly because of what I learned at home I would never have thought about misusing a firearm or, God forbid, taking one to school to show off. My dad was very clear about the killing power of firearms, that dead is REALLY dead for all time, and that firearms are NOT toys. He also taught us to never bellieve a firearm is unloaded, no matter who (including him) told us is was unloaded, unless we had checked it out ourselves.
 
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I was one of those kids, and at least partly because of what I learned at home I would never have thought about misusing a firearm or, God forbid, taking one to school to show off. My dad was very clear about the killing power of firearms, that dead is REALLY dead for all time, and that firearms are NOT toys. He also taught us to never bellieve a firearm is unloaded, no matter who (including him) told us is was unloaded, unless we had checked it out ourselves.

My first, and only, until I met my wife, firearm owned was a Daisy Pump BB Rifle my parents bought me when I was a Sophmore in high school. I was shown how to use it, what I could/couldn’t shoot and how to take care of it by my dad. He owned a pellet gun and “over and under” rifle to shoot bats and other varments.

However, the Navy was my biggest teacher about firearms. I had a pretty intense Small Arms Training Course onboard ship. Was also Pointer for the front 5” gun on the bow.

I’m lucky that my wife likes firearms and is a descent shot.
 
The idea of arming school teachers is going well, I don't think.

SEASIDE, Calif. (AP) — A teacher at a Northern California high school accidentally fired his gun inside a classroom, injuring three students, but continued teaching class while the students sat there, the mother of one of the students said Wednesday.

Dennis Alexander, who is also a reserve police officer, was pointing the gun at the ceiling to make sure it was not loaded when the weapon discharged Tuesday inside his classroom at Seaside High School in the coastal community of Seaside, police said.

The Seaside Police Department said no one sustained serious injuries. Fermin Gonzales, 17, suffered moderate injuries when bullet fragments lodged in his neck, his mother Crystal Gonzales, told The Associated Press.

“I’m still really upset no one called a nurse or a paramedic to come check on the students,” Gonzales said. “They just sat there until the bell rang.”

The accidental shooting came amid a national debate over whether to arm teachers in the aftermath of a mass school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, that killed 17 students and staff members. On Wednesday, thousands of high school students walked out of classrooms across the nation to protest gun violence in schools.

A law that took effect in California on Jan. 1 halted the ability of school districts to allow non-security employees to carry guns on campus. Gonzales said the incident in Seaside happened Tuesday at 10:30 a.m. and that she did not hear about it until her son called her hours later when the class ended and he went to a relative’s home.

Alexander was teaching a gun safety lesson in an administration of justice class and was about to show the students how to disarm someone, Gonzales said. She said no officials contacted parents to let them know what happened and that she was shocked when her son returned home with blood on his shirt and bullet fragments in his neck. As the boy’s parents rushed him to a hospital for X-rays, she said the school’s principal called her cellphone to apologize.

The teen is fine, though he’s still shaken up and stayed home Wednesday, his mother said. Gonzales said police didn’t arrive at the school to investigate until three hours later and the family filed a police report.

Alexander was placed on administrative leave from his teaching job and he was also placed on administrative leave at the Sand City Police Department, police and school officials said. Efforts to reach Alexander were not immediately successful.

Monterey Peninsula Unified School District sent a letter to parents saying its human resources department, the high school administrators and the Seaside Police Department “immediately began investigating the incident, including interviewing students in the class.” It said counseling was made available to students and that it could not release any other details “due to the nature of this personnel incident.”

https://apnews.com/e91e7bb5f7a74741ba8d22dd64e49260

IMO, the students have the right idea.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-sends-message-on-gun-violence-idUSKCN1GQ155

[h=3]LOBBYING LAWMAKERS[/h]The walkouts were part of a burgeoning, grassroots movement prompted by the Parkland attack and came 10 days before major protests planned in Washington and elsewhere. Survivors have lobbied lawmakers and President Donald Trump in a push for new restrictions on gun ownership, a right protected by the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment.

“We don’t feel safe in schools anymore,” said Sarah Chatfield, a high school student from Maryland, standing with hundreds of other protesters outside the White House.
 


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