Afghanistan Is Your Fault

[Nathan]

The Taliban are going against what we are taught as Muslims; the world sees this and judges the rest of us by them! Islam forbids the killing of innocents.
Islam is portrayed as a religion of “terror” and “killing”, yet this is just one of the most widely held misconceptions about Islam.

Your religion, and most religions, are much the same, only different wording. All roads lead to the Being. Every soul knows right from wrong.

People need to understand these simple concepts, rather than embrace prejudice and hate.

 

[Alligatorob]

according to Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) teachings he said "Harm no one so that no one will harm you".

Good post, from someone who seems to know.

I am not Muslim, but I have spent time in some Muslim countries, Kuwait, Indonesia, Saudi and the UAE. I was surprised to learn how much Islam has in common with Christianity and how poorly most of my friends and family in the US understand Muslims and the people in those parts of the world. Or how poorly I had understood before that experience.

I do not believe the problems we are having in Afghanistan and the Middle East have much to do with religion. I believe its a combination of a few bad people who do bad things under the claim of Islam and our poor understanding of the many good people.

Bad things are done by members of all religions and doing under the cover of the religion is not uncommon, not unique to Islam. Think of the Inquisition or Crusades.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Halliburton is but one of the beneficiaries. Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and many others benefit immensely from wars. Their business models depend on perpetual war.

It will not surprise me in the least if they start another real soon. Already we are seeing several news media accounts of heightened tensions between China and the breakaway rebels of Taiwan. Obviously, the media and the war profiteers who own them are spoiling for another fight ~ that would bring them billions more in profits.

 

[Ceege]

It's not that we left. It's the WAY we left. Devastating!

President Biden announced that we would leave back in April. That's when the people should have either gotten together to fight the enemy off. Not just their army, but the people.


Afghan Army Didn't Want To Fight For Their Own Government: WaPo Reporter https://youtu.be/PDiSuCMX5mQvia
@YouTube

Taliban victory? Despite collapse in Kabul, withdrawal was the right course in Afghanistan https://usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/15/taliban-verge-victory-still-withdrawal-afghanistan-right/8112181002/ via
@usatoday

“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They couldn’t stop the process, they wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.” - Trump: June 26, 2021

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Afghan Army Didn't Want To Fight For Their Own Government: WaPo Reporter https://youtu.be/PDiSuCMX5mQvia
@YouTube

Note WaPo's wording: "their own government". This is a FAIL. The Afghan army did not recognize the puppet regime as "their government". That is understandable as nobody has a right to invade and to impose a puppet regime.

 

[Ceege]

There is nothing good about a war. There will always be suffering from beginning to end.

 

[Been There]

President Biden announced that we would leave back in April. That's when the people should have either gotten together to fight the enemy off. Not just their army, but the people.


Afghan Army Didn't Want To Fight For Their Own Government: WaPo Reporter https://youtu.be/PDiSuCMX5mQvia
@YouTube

Taliban victory? Despite collapse in Kabul, withdrawal was the right course in Afghanistan https://usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/15/taliban-verge-victory-still-withdrawal-afghanistan-right/8112181002/ via
@usatoday

“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They couldn’t stop the process, they wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.” - Trump: June 26, 2021

Do you understand what the "process" was? It wasn't just telling the soldiers to pick up and leave, that's for certain. It was an actual process.

I would like to write it out, but it's way too political. So, to put it bluntly, our current President owns this one. And much to my surprise, most of the media has also said so. By the way, I am not a Rep or Dem. I have no dog in that fight and don't want one. I look at things objectively. When you are in combat and want to stay alive, there is no other choice.

 

[Ceege]

Living under the Taliban is going to be much worse than the government they've had. Problem is, even without the Taliban, what would the government be like with our country out of it? It's a no win situation no matter how you look at it.
I don't blame Biden for this. Trump wanted us out. He did a deal with the Taliban that Afghanistan wasn't even involved in.

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse
https://thehill.com/opinion/nationa...taliban-set-the-stage-for-the-afghan-collapse
".....the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a “peace” deal since one of the parties currently at war — the Afghan government — was not a signatory. Rather, this was a “withdrawal” agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021."

 

[Gaer]

Nope, The WAY we exited was horrible. 1st: He should have made sure the interpreters and allies with their families were safely out. Then he should have made sure all the equipment; stealth fighters, tanks, artillery, EVERYTHING was out. Then safely take the remaining servicemen out.
We were down to 2500.
Someone, (whoever is pulling the strings) has to own this. This is an embarrassment on the world stage.

 

[Alligatorob]

Nope, The WAY we exited was horrible. 1st: He should have made sure the interpreters and allies with their families were safely out. Then he should have made sure all the equipment; stealth fighters, tanks, artillery, EVERYTHING was out. Then safely take the remaining servicemen out.
We were down to 2500.

That would have been nice, but withdrawing under fire from a losing battle is not an easy thing to do. We did no better in Vietnam, and even the British in Dunkirk left a lot of people and equipment behind. I can't think of an example we should or could have followed.

I agree with those objectives, I am just not sure what was or wasn't possible. The best thing we can do now is to try and make sure we are not in that position again...

 

[Ceege]

THE HUMAN COST:
American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.
U.S. contractors: 3,846.
Afghan national military and police: 66,000.
Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.
Afghan civilians: 47,245.
Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.
Aid workers: 444.
Journalists: 72.
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

We had three choices. Leave, keep going as we have been, or up our presence there and take over that country and stay. Which one would you choose?
Republicans put us there, Republicans and Democrats kept us there, and now a Democrat is getting us out after a Republican started the process. We can't really blame just one party. It's been a political mess since it started.

America's longest war: 20 years of missteps in Afghanistan https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...war-20-years-missteps-afghanistan-2021-08-16/

 

[Irwin]

We negotiated our withdrawal with the Taliban at the complete exclusion of the Afghanistan government. That was the final "misstep" in our little adventure in Afghanistan.

Here's the agreement we signed with the Taliban, in case anyone is interested:
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Personally, if the Taliban doesn't uphold their end of the agreement, I will be completely shocked.