Agesim

QuickSilver

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Did anyone experience any form of actual, or perceived ageism prior to your retirement. I believe that I am now seeing evidence of this that I didn't before as I near my planned date of next year.. having to do with working environment and feelings of being minimized. I also believe it is likely subconscious on the part of local management. Just curious... It's not a huge deal as I just got a big raise in salary and pay grade increase through the Regional office... and my nice paycheck keeps on a coming... lol!! But it is interesting to watch.. and to experience. I really believe the fact that I am an older worker.. and a woman at that, has influenced management here and their perception of my value.
 

I'm sure you are right, QuickSilver.
I've seen older workers become socially isolated at work.
We fall out of the loop, as it were, long before we actually retire.
It's not only management that minimalizes seniors, younger co-workers tend to do it too.
 
I didn't experience that, but our friend's brother who lives in NY and is 63 is having a miserable time now. Everyone lets him know he's old and no longer important and that the young ones are the most important. They now give him the worst jobs. He works at Goldman Sachs.
 

I know that my position if VERY important... and that I am very good at it.. and very experienced.. However, I have been isolated and asked to do my job in what will soon become a construction area and a very busy Nursing unit. My requests to be moved to a quieter and more private location have fallen on deaf ears.. and I am told that there is no place to move me to. So in essence, I am being asked to do my job in the lobby! lol!! I have enlisted the help of the my immediate boss, the Regional Vice President... so I feel that it will soon be rectified.. BUT.. it's really interesting to observe the attitudes of the local management... who have no idea what I do or it's importance. They feel that whatever it is.... if an older worker is doing it... it can't be that important.. They are in for a surprise.. but until then, I am sort of enjoying their stupidity.
 
I get that a lot here and there. I resent it and I'm not afraid to explain to them why. "You are NOT my mommie and have no right to talk to me that way" basically.
 
I was very good in my job too, it was a union blue collar job. The management treated me very well, equal or better than some other employees because of my dependability and regardless of the job, getting it done right. My coworkers treated me the same, but I know they were anxious to see me retire, and I only gave an estimated time in the future to them. I retired in my late 50s, so I never slowed down in regard to work assignments.

Many were 20-30 somethings, who would move up in seniority when I left, meaning they might get better hours, not have to work night shifts, get preferred jobs, etc. Every now and then, someone would ask 'when were you gonna quit again'? My answer was vague. The only ones that knew of my exact retirement date was the management, I went on a three week vacation and never returned. QS, if the management had treated me with less respect than other workers, I would be upset too. I don't know how much control they have over the area you're currently working in, but keep the more important thing in mind, $$$. :cool:
 
When I announced my retirement I almost immediately noticed that I was being suddenly treated like a "one lunger". I had a nice office, a lady outside to answer my phone. I had reserved parking and was accorded all the respect management usually enjoys but the assignments dropped off, I no longer was asked to some meetings, those little signs that they are working around you. I was glad the day I had my obligatory party, went to lunch with my Boss and a girl who worked for me, turned in my badge and got outta their hair (and vice versa). BTW in order to move my retirement up since a date certain was required for full pension, etc., I took a months vacation, 10 days "sick leave", and a one week leave of absence. I completely checked out before my "vacation" began.
 
I'm not being disrespected... however, my requests to be moved to another location or office because of construction noise and because my area will be directly in front of a very large new nursing unit... have been ignored. My saying that I need quiet to concentrate and to converse with the doctors.. as well as privacy due to HIPAA is not seemed to be believed. I just get the feeling that they feel that what I am doing cannot be that important and mainly because it it were.... there wouldn't be an old lady doing it. I just feel dismissed and diminished, and I was wondering who else got that feeling. I was going to try to work until next year.. but I'm not sure now that I will be doing that.
 
I'm not being disrespected... however, my requests to be moved to another location or office because of construction noise and because my area will be directly in front of a very large new nursing unit... have been ignored. My saying that I need quiet to concentrate and to converse with the doctors.. as well as privacy due to HIPAA is not seemed to be believed. I just get the feeling that they feel that what I am doing cannot be that important and mainly because it it were.... there wouldn't be an old lady doing it. I just feel dismissed and diminished, and I was wondering who else got that feeling. I was going to try to work until next year.. but I'm not sure now that I will be doing that.

QS, I experienced much the same thing before I retired --clearly a feeling of being subtly and not-so subtly dismissed and diminished. I loved my work (but not the environment) and was VERY good at it and had been there for years. I got a general vibe of "well you're getting old and won't be here for long, so you no longer matter very much." It hurt.
 
At least I know now that I am not crazy... or being paranoid.. It IS happening and it's very, very, subtle. It's hard to put a finger on and would be even harder to prove. How could I prove that I am being given the most crappy of spots to work.... because I am old.. What's so funny is that my region is currently 3 Clinical Documentation Specialist RNs short. They finally had to give on of the positions to an RN right off the floor with ZERO experience in Clinical Documentation and Medicare MS-Drg knowledge. I have FOURTEEN years experience.. I am not easy to replace... that I know.. Yet... here I sit.. In the lobby.. with construction going on around me. And they tell me... "there is just no space for you". Interesting.
 
The minute you speak of retirement they begin to write you off. It's almost like it doesn't matter what you think, they must feel "ok short timer, Now run along and let we who will be here worry about it!"
 
I've seen it many times and experienced it, myself. Over time, you get more vacation time, and your salary goes up, your medical insurance becomes more costly. Eventually, you become an expensive target. High on the list when its time to cut costs.
I worked at one place, where they had a pretty blatant purge of older employees. I survived that one, but several years later, when the next came, I was over fifty. One day, they just started calling people into the office. You went in, and they gave you a speech about, "Its not you, its the economy" and handed you a bunch of brochures about job retraining. Just about everyone purged out was over 45. Curiously, on that very day, there was an article in the newspaper about how this very same company was paying out a record settlement in an age discrimination case arising from the earlier purge.
I have often witnessed the way they encourage people to leave by making their jobs miserable. They don't have to pay unemployment or give you severance pay if you quit. I know one super salesman with a wall full of awards. They eventually wanted someone younger, so they just kept increasing his territory, until it was impossible for him to make the drives.
I heard of one case, where they offered someone a job in Alaska. Take it or quit! Yes. Being shunted aside at meetings is a common tactic. Yeah. I know, there are laws, but they have more and better lawyers than the poor soul they are trying to kick out.
I just want to note; that that was all a long time ago. Things may have changed. I am retired almost twenty years now. Happy to be out of it all.:banana:
 
I worked part time before I completely retired, just enough to keep my insurance and retirement plan. I kept my head down and put out a lot of work and when I left the boss gave me a very nice bonus, but I never looked back or regretted retiring. I had always been in business for myself, but after a divorce I started to work at an engineering firm, worked there 15 years, met my late husband there.........but talking about the age thing, I was one of the oldest there and a very young lady trained me to do cad work (computer assisted drafting), I think I hit it lucky as I became very good friends with this young woman, I was somewhat handicapped learning a new job with the age (had to take many many notes, due to bad memory) and also being hard of hearing....anyway I persevered and about the time I was really good and an asset to the company I was ready to retire...lol...so no I didn't really have too many problems with age only because it was a small company and the co-workers and owners were good to me. I hope it all works out for you, QS.
 
I was by many years the oldest employee in my last job. When I retired, I was also the person who had been there the longest (five years - hah!). I sort of fell into the "den mother" position of being the one people came to with their problems...sometimes personal problems, unfortunately. Other than that, I didn't feel any ageism. I think they were happy there was actually someone there who was willing to do whatever needed to be done and wasn't obsessed with whether it was "my job" or not to do it.

On the other side, though, I saw extreme ageism in my late husband's workplace. There were periodic "purges" and it always seemed to be those who were nearing total vesting (30 years) who were the first to go. He got caught in one of those but luckily was able to transfer quickly into another position with, unfortunately, a loss in pay, but at least getting to keep his free health insurance and seniority. That led him to "buy" his four plus years of military duty into the state system, thus giving him 32 years of service instead of just 28. It cost $8000 to do that, but it's good that he did it. When he died three months later, I was able to get over half of his pension for life and able to keep up the health insurance until I went on Medicare.
 
I'm not so sure I've experienced ageism but sometimes I think I feel it. I'm not 32 anymore. The age I graduated from nursing school. I have the feeling, if I can't do the job, then there are plenty of younger ones right behind me ready to take it. Not saying they could always do as well. (and we are short on nurses right now) But I don't think management cares how the job is done, as long as no one knows and no one is complaining.
 

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