Airlines Having Lists of Banned Customers?

IMO they should be added to the federal No Fly List maintained by the Terrorist Screening Center.

Some could be permanent others could be temporary depending on the nature of the offense.

I also believe that they should be prosecuted criminally. Why should assault in the air be different than assault on the ground.
 
When I was at United, we had a "Do Not Fly List" for terrorists and I also recall a list of passengers that were previously kicked off flights for being unruly or causing other issues with our f/a's. Sure, we have had to break up fights and calm down customers when they would have mouth battles with one another. One of the most contentious mouth fights I can remember was a rather large man started complaining with the passenger behind him that a kid kept kicking this big man's seat. The big man in front had enough and got up and wanted to duke it out with the kid's father. The f/a separated everyone and we were able to continue on our way. If she hadn't been able to handle it, we may have had to land and have both of them charged for causing unruly behavior.

Speaking with a friend of mine that still flies, he had told me that the list has grown considerably since the pandemic with people not complying with the wearing of masks while onboard, chanting the political statement of the day, which I'm sure that you have all heard about. Shouting out profanity has never been acceptable while onboard. No one should want to get on a do not fly list. They can stay on that list forever or however long the airlines' legal team recommends.
 
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Aunt Bea said:
I also believe that they should be prosecuted criminally. Why should assault in the air be different than assault on the ground.
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I got to view my hospital medical records. It was filled with inaccuracies, from the meds I was on, to what my allergies were, to diagnoses. So I'm worried about the accuracy of some guy typing in the wrong info, and getting an innocent banned. Do you really want some guy, who is handling your bags, to have the power to ruin travel for you?
If you are that unruly, and assaultive, then you should be able to be prosecuted in a court of law. I understand that jurisdiction, since planes are flying, to be a problem. So make it a federal offense. When convicted, then a person could be banned from all airlines.
 
Jules said:

Airlines Having Lists of Banned Customers?​

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I am generally supportive, however some care and reasonableness needs to be applied.

I used to work with a Saudi guy named Abdulaziz al-Omari, same name as one of the 911 hijackers. He was on all the no fly lists and could not even feel safe going near an airport or try crossing an international border.

Totally irrational, the bad guy was long dead and clearly someone else and unrelated.

It is a relatively common name, Abdulaziz was the name of the founder of Saudi Arabia, lots of Arabs named for him, and al-Omari just means someone descended from or named for Umar, father-in-law of the profit Muhammad. Again a common name. Maybe like the Saudi version of John Smith in England?

That was a few years back, I've lost touch with Aziz, hopefully things have loosened up for him.
 
MarciKS said:
Are they being banned because they refuse to wear their masks or what? I just can't believe grown ass adults get into fist fights like school kids over a damn mask.
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It's not only refusing to wear the mask when in flight, but not pulling the mask up over their nose. The FAA makes these rules and then the airlines have to comply and in turn force the passengers to comply. From the moment a passenger enters the airport terminal until he departs the terminal at the other end, that person must wear the mask appropriately. I can guarantee you that fight attendants (F/A's) do not appreciate having to order passengers to comply. They feel it's not part of their job to be the bad guy.
 
oldman said:
It's not only refusing to wear the mask when in flight, but not pulling the mask up over their nose. The FAA makes these rules and then the airlines have to comply and in turn force the passengers to comply. From the moment a passenger enters the airport terminal until he departs the terminal at the other end, that person must wear the mask appropriately. I can guarantee you that fight attendants (F/A's) do not appreciate having to order passengers to comply. They feel it's not part of their job to be the bad guy.
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Many people's public behavior has become quite shocking.

A few years ago we were flying from JFK to Los Angeles. More than an hour before flight time, the computerized flight info throughout the airport said this flight was in final boarding. Like many others, we were shocked, but ran for the gate. When we got there, we learned there was no plane at the gate. It was a computer error that had nothing to do with the gate personnel. We happened to be standing quite close to the queue at the gate agent's desk...

A man was screaming at the gate agent - he'd apparently abandoned a full breakfast because of the misinformation and wanted to be financially compensated. Of course she could only refer him to the airline and airport complaint department. He became increasingly agitated and borderline physically threatening toward this young woman. My husband walked over and quietly said to him, "You need to calm down, sir."

The guy turned around and said through gritted teeth, " I AM CALM."

My husband gently replied, "Not airport calm, you're not."

The guy immediately got the drift, threw his hands in the air and walked away muttering to himself.
 
IMO, Anyone who misbehaves on an airline should be permanently banned from flying on ANY airline. Any disruptive behavior on an airplane potentially puts the lives of All passenger and crew members at risk. If some people think that wearing a mask for a couple of hours is a violation of their "privacy", those people can travel by bus.
 
Don M. said:
IMO, Anyone who misbehaves on an airline should be permanently banned from flying on ANY airline. Any disruptive behavior on an airplane potentially puts the lives of All passenger and crew members at risk. If some people think that wearing a mask for a couple of hours is a violation of their "privacy", those people can travel by bus.
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Exactly. It can be very dangerous when passengers become unruly. If one of the pilots have to leave the flight deck to assist in calming a traveler and an issue in the cockpit that required the assistance of both pilots, it may become extremely dangerous for all of the passengers. The FAA has become the police in the sky and when passengers misbehavior interferes with the flight crew's work, there are penalties set aside to deal with their actions. Drunks onboard, bored children and screamers and people that don't interact real well with others have become the biggest PITA. We even had an issue with one man complaining and arguing with an F/A because the man beside him wouldn't share the armrest. How petty can one get?
 
Alligatorob said:
Now that might be taking it too far!!

LOL, actually I hope they do. In fact I see no need for alcohol in the airport or on airplanes at all. Here is Utah alcohol is banned in a lot of places and we get b
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fmdog44 said:
I wonder if the airport bars have rules on how many drinks they can serve to one person.
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The FAA has ordered that any passenger that appears to have consumed too much alcohol may be prevented from boarding their flight. If an unruly passenger has had too much to drink and becomes belligerent, this becomes a danger to all of the passengers in case of an emergency. If an A/M (Air Marshall) is onboard, he has the right to take the passenger to the back of the plane and cuff him. Otherwise, the Captain makes the call as to whether to land and have the police take him away or to continue flying and have him dealt with after landing. I never had to make that choice, but I know a few pilots that have.
 
oldman said:
It's not only refusing to wear the mask when in flight, but not pulling the mask up over their nose. The FAA makes these rules and then the airlines have to comply and in turn force the passengers to comply. From the moment a passenger enters the airport terminal until he departs the terminal at the other end, that person must wear the mask appropriately. I can guarantee you that fight attendants (F/A's) do not appreciate having to order passengers to comply. They feel it's not part of their job to be the bad guy.
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oh believe me i know. we have to do the same with our clients at the hospital as well.
 
Flying in general is not a pleasant experience, so add to that the mask mandates and people already on edge can easily go over the edge. I must admit that I'm one of those people on edge and have gotten pissed off at people out in public. I support the mask mandates. It's the anti-maskers who piss me off.
 

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