Alcohol drinking and hangovers. Also, alcohol poisoning.

I still harbor resentment at some of the things a former resident did when she was drunk. Just today I was collecting the few autographed books I have and realized another is missing from the time she bundled up dozens and managed to lose them.
 
LadyEmeraude said:
Many have lived with the side effects of this topic.
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When worded that way, I'm unclear on whether you mean one who drinks to excess, or one who is close to someone who does, but I won't ask you to explain.

It's hard to reply to this from the perspective of a non-drinker, because I was the drinker. I've made no secret of that in the forum. My wife wanted nothing to do with alcohol. I owe her much credit for her patience with me in the years before I gave it up.

There was a time she atetnded Al-Anon Family group, for wives or families of alcoholics. She did not say if it helped her or not, but if you know anyone who is going through the "absenteeism" (or worse) of living with someone who is drinking heavily, that is one group they might want to visit. They say, "We meet regularly in small groups to absorb the strength and hope of others who have lived with alcoholism."

Some churches also have support groups. Mine does. A person does not have to be a member of my church or profess Christianity to attend the programs they offer, and they do not charge anything for attending.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
When worded that way, I'm unclear on whether you mean one who drinks to excess, or one who is close to someone who does, but I won't ask you to explain.

It's hard to reply to this from the perspective of a non-drinker, because I was the drinker. I've made no secret of that in the forum. My wife wanted nothing to do with alcohol. I owe her much credit for her patience with me in the years before I gave it up.

There was a time she atetnded Al-Anon Family group, for wives or families of alcoholics. She did not say if it helped her or not, but if you know anyone who is going through the "absenteeism" (or worse) of living with someone who is drinking heavily, that is one group they might want to visit. They say, "We meet regularly in small groups to absorb the strength and hope of others who have lived with alcoholism."

Some churches also have support groups. Mine does. A person does not have to be a member of my church or profess Christianity to attend the programs they offer, and they do not charge anything for attending.
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Hi there MackTexas. Yes the wording is a bit off. My apologies.
Yours is a good post and thank you for sharing that ;)
 
Babs2u said:
I still harbor resentment at some of the things a former resident did when she was drunk. Just today I was collecting the few autographed books I have and realized another is missing from the time she bundled up dozens and managed to lose them.
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I know drunks tossed by their significant other that lost family stuff they inherited not even trying to retrieve their stuff. Addicts lie and steal drunks lie and might as well steal because they seem to cause as much damage for themselves and others..

And less than a year after a prolonged stay for alcohol related issue they are drinking like a fish again.
 
Aunt Bea said:
It was a real danger when I was a teenager.

IMO we need to find a better way to ease young folks into the various age restricted milestones in our society.

The restrictions seem to make some things more enticing and in the end more dangerous.

i haven’t got a clue as to how best to manage these things. 🤷‍♀️
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I don't consider alcohol to be an 'age-restricted milestone,' I consider it to be 'unnecessary'.. and that's the message parents and other adults should be giving to kids.
 
Alcohol suppresses vasopressin, a hormone regulating fluid, causing excess urination, resulting in extreme thirst, dry mouth, dizziness, and headache. The liver converts alcohol into acetaldehyde, a toxin many times more potent than alcohol, which causes nausea, vomiting, sweating, and rapid heart rate.
The immune system releases inflammatory agents (cytokines) throughout the body, leading to overall malaise, muscle aches, and fatigue, similar to fighting a virus. Gastritis occurs as alcohol irritates the stomach lining and increases acid production, causing nausea and pain. Metabolism of alcohol causes hypoglycemia, contributing to weakness, shakiness, and fatigue.

The brain struggles to rebalance neurotransmitters. After being suppressed, gamma-aminobutyric acid activity drops, while glutamate, a stimulant, rebounds, causing anxiety, jitters, and a low mood. Inflammation and metabolic changes impair attention, memory, and concentration.
Acetaldehyde dilates blood vessels in the head, causing pain, which is exacerbated by dehydration. Despite passing out, alcohol prevents REM sleep, leading to profound tiredness and lack of rest.
Alcohol makes it harder for the brain areas controlling balance, memory, speech, and judgment to do their jobs, resulting in a higher likelihood of injuries. In my early 20's I quit nicotine, it would be another twenty-five years before I managed to quit the demon drink.
 
I come from a family of nasty drunks and also was on that path until I stopped drinking at 22. I've had blackouts, been hungover, been arrested, watched alcohol destroy lives and families. You want to know how I feel? I hate alcohol.

Not long ago I had an old friend contact me asking to help him stop drinking, I refused, told him to try AA. Know why? Because I was afraid to open my life to that world, not that I fear I may drink, but because I dont want my life being polluted by that crap.
 
C50 said:
Not long ago I had an old friend contact me asking to help him stop drinking, I refused, told him to try AA. Know why? Because I was afraid to open my life to that world, not that I fear I may drink, but because I dont want my life being polluted by that crap.
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I wish the drug and alcohol addicts that are in my jail bible study would adopt that stance! Maybe then I wouldn't be seeing the same guys getting tossed back in jail year after year.
 
horseless carriage said:
Alcohol suppresses vasopressin, a hormone regulating fluid, causing excess urination, resulting in extreme thirst, dry mouth, dizziness, and headache. The liver converts alcohol into acetaldehyde, a toxin many times more potent than alcohol, which causes nausea, vomiting, sweating, and rapid heart rate.
The immune system releases inflammatory agents (cytokines) throughout the body, leading to overall malaise, muscle aches, and fatigue, similar to fighting a virus. Gastritis occurs as alcohol irritates the stomach lining and increases acid production, causing nausea and pain. Metabolism of alcohol causes hypoglycemia, contributing to weakness, shakiness, and fatigue.

The brain struggles to rebalance neurotransmitters. After being suppressed, gamma-aminobutyric acid activity drops, while glutamate, a stimulant, rebounds, causing anxiety, jitters, and a low mood. Inflammation and metabolic changes impair attention, memory, and concentration.
Acetaldehyde dilates blood vessels in the head, causing pain, which is exacerbated by dehydration. Despite passing out, alcohol prevents REM sleep, leading to profound tiredness and lack of rest.
Alcohol makes it harder for the brain areas controlling balance, memory, speech, and judgment to do their jobs, resulting in a higher likelihood of injuries. In my early 20's I quit nicotine, it would be another twenty-five years before I managed to quit the demon drink.
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You forgot the main reason for which I quit drinking. When I drank, I did stupid things that embarrassed me, whether or not I was in front of others.
 
JustDave said:
Are you familiar enough with the programs to describe them. Success rates?
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The Marines have a program called “The Marine Corps Community Services” which offers the Marine (and family) several different opportunities for personal care. Through this program, they also offer the “Substance Abuse Counseling Center” for a Marine with a drinking problem (and drug addiction). We refer the men with a drinking or drug problem to this Center. There are locations across the U.S.

As for success rates, I will have to look through my binders and see if I can locate something with the success rates.
 
Two brothers died from liver cirrhosis. Their lives were a hot mess and the SO's left behind weren't much better. A third, age 70, has switched mostly from alcohol to marijuana (legal here). Sometimes he does both. He now has early signs of dementia, the first in my family to have that. Both sisters, much younger, drink daily. One of them says she has recently quit. Her late husband was a full-time drunk. She has since married a "tee totaler", which I think is a good influence on her.

In the hospital, I cared for many going through withdrawal or suffering from liver failure. I have seen and experienced too much in regard to excessive alcohol use. I will have a drink about once a year, although a few weeks ago, when I heard my ex is dying from cancer, I did buy two bottles of bubbly to celebrate. I drank one over a period of a few days and one is still in the fridge to have when he is dead. Interestingly, the night he tried almost successfully to kill me, he was high on alcohol and opiods.
 
Been There said:
As for success rates, I will have to look through my binders and see if I can locate something with the success rates.
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Probably not necessary. From what I have read, success rates across all recovery methods are pretty much the same, usually in the 5%-10% range. Not a great outcome, but for those that do stop, it's a wonderful experience.

Your description sounds like it may utilize civilian centers outside the military? I guess I was just wondering mostly if it was a military program or civilian, and if it was radically different than most others. AA was the only game in town, back when I quit, but there are several more options available to a wider audience today.
 
GoodEnuff said:
In the hospital, I cared for many going through withdrawal
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When I was 19, I was recovering from a knee operation. Back then, it involved week of hospital care. I was in a ward with maybe 10 others, all for different reasons. Shortly after I was there, they brought in a seriously drunk man with a broken leg or something. We all watched that guy go through withdrawal tied down to his bed and carrying on like a crazy person seeing the white elephants and talking to people who weren't there. It went on constantly for maybe three days, and then one day he came to his senses, and just quietly spent his time mending like a normal person. Jekyll and Hide.
 

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