American airstrikes on Venezuela, with Chinooks possibly flying in US military personnel.

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StarSong said:
A lot of Americans would love to see various US political leaders ousted. Does that mean it'd be ok for China, Russia or other countries to kidnap and remove them?
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Well there was the JFK assassination and Trump's assassination attempts. 😳 And others sadly. So whether it's 'okay' for China, Russia or other countries to try and do that the fact is it has happened.
 
Sunny said:
Lilac, those drugs are being imported from many other countries also. So should we fly around bombing the whole world?
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That is a valid question. Some situations more clear cut or deserving than others.

Where , literally where is the line drawn between in-action and action when it comes to various countries. No one country should even have to be the world's policemen let alone deserve 'the job'. And there will situations where third parties should stay out of a country's business.

Just a side note some didn't like the way Venezuela was starting to cozy up to the likes of Chine or Iran which them an even 'bigger' target.
 

The original U.S. federal indictment of Maduro was in March 2020. That was public, and it's been sitting there for almost six years with no action taken.

The 2020 indictment is here and somewhat detailed - UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

There is a NEW indictment following up on the first. It was unsealed today, but has not been posted yet.
 
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Paladin1950 said:
I always hate it when we interfere in another country. Let the people of that country, get rid of their dictator.
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I thought that too. Why didn't the population there effect change. I decided to look up how things were done there.

HRW on Maduro's dictatorship: 'He has killed, tortured, detained and forcefully disappeared people'
The rights organization published a 104-page report exposing the systematic repression that keeps the regime in power. The organization urges the international community to "press to hold the Maduro government accountable for its atrocities."
HRW on Maduro's dictatorship: 'He has killed, tortured, detained and forcefully disappeared people'

Then there are headlines showing millions celebrating what has happened.

I'm still of the wait & see mode.
 
Maybe we can move Israel to Venezuela. They'd make that region prosperous. Then the Arabs in the Middle East can just fight each other instead of fighting Israel.

Israel is about the size of New Jersey and Venezuela is about the size of Texas, so there's plenty of room.
 
Knight said:
I thought that too. Why didn't the population there effect change. I decided to look up how things were done there.

HRW on Maduro's dictatorship: 'He has killed, tortured, detained and forcefully disappeared people'
The rights organization published a 104-page report exposing the systematic repression that keeps the regime in power. The organization urges the international community to "press to hold the Maduro government accountable for its atrocities."
HRW on Maduro's dictatorship: 'He has killed, tortured, detained and forcefully disappeared people'

Then there are headlines showing millions celebrating what has happened.

I'm still of the wait & see mode.
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There is currently a massive uprising in Iran. The people are working on ousting their supreme leader, or whatever the title. The US has offered assistance if needed. But the Iranians seem to be doing a bang-up job on their own. (last I checked)
 
WhatInThe said:
That is a valid question. Some situations more clear cut or deserving than others.

Where , literally where is the line drawn between in-action and action when it comes to various countries. No one country should even have to be the world's policemen let alone deserve 'the job'. And there will situations where third parties should stay out of a country's business.
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No matter where it originates from, when it's funneled through your own ports and borders by the mega-tons, it's a good idea to attend to it.
WhatInThe said:
Just a side note some didn't like the way Venezuela was starting to cozy up to the likes of Chine or Iran which them an even 'bigger' target.
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Not Venezuela, their president. The Venezuelan People aren't into getting cozy with regimes that even vaguely threaten their rights and freedoms.
 
RambleTamble said:
Maybe we can move Israel to Venezuela. They'd make that region prosperous. Then the Arabs in the Middle East can just fight each other instead of fighting Israel.

Israel is about the size of New Jersey and Venezuela is about the size of Texas, so there's plenty of room.
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What a simple solution! (I'm joking :))

Venezuela was doing superbly not very long ago. The people are industrious, inventive, motivated, and very kind.
 
Pre-Maduro Decline (1980s–2012)
Despite its earlier wealth, the country faced severe challenges long before 2013:
  • The "Lost Decades": A collapse in oil prices in the mid-1980s caused the economy to contract sharply. By 1998, when Hugo Chávez was elected, the poverty rate had risen to approximately 50%, and purchasing power was a third of its 1978 peak.
  • The Chávez Era (1999–2012): While a 2000s oil boom allowed for massive social spending that temporarily halved poverty rates, the period was also marked by corruption, the nationalization of industries, and a failure to reinvest in oil infrastructure.
  • Fragility at Handover: By 2012, Venezuela’s economy was already suffering from high inflation (around 20–30%) and the start of chronic shortages in basic goods like milk and flour.
Maduro got elected in part because he promised to improve the economy.
 
Everything's pretty much a wrap in Venezuela. Maduro captured, US pulled out, and Venezuela's new presidential candidates are going public.

There was no resistance to a near-perfect mission, and I'll wait for confirmation, but I'm sure Venezuela's military helped plan the whole thing.

I'm so happy for the people!


(BTW, a lot of Cubans are saying "Yo, can we be next?")
 
Naturally said:
The original U.S. federal indictment of Maduro was in March 2020. That was public, and it's been sitting there for almost six years with no action taken.

The 2020 indictment is here and somewhat detailed - UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

There is a NEW indictment following up on the first. It was unsealed today, but has not been posted
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He also has warrants awaiting on him.
 

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