And so...the "recession" begins

Aunt Bea said:
I’m skeptical about how many of these massive corporate investments will actually come to fruition.

I have a feeling that many of these will be very high visibility but slow moving plans that will drag on and be dependent on the results of future elections, legal rulings, etc…
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you would have to be insane to dump billions here. and then find out the man with no plan changed the tariffs again
or the next president did away with them .

plus local permits and agency’s would take years to approve and finalize .

it’s political noise is what it is
 

Pepper said:
Somehow I feel this is just a talking point for you. I don't believe you really care, or, your care runs to exploitation for your truth.
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i can tell you first hand the factory we use has no slave or child labor.

in fact the factory provides housing and transportation for its workers
 

Pepper said:
Somehow I feel this is just a talking point for you. I don't believe you really care, or, your care runs to exploitation for your truth.
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I’m not so sure that people in other countries view the opportunity to make a living that affords them a better quality of life or standard of living than they have ever experienced as exploitation.

IMO it only feels like exploitation when compared to our own standard of living.
 
dilettante said:
Honda has already announced they will be moving all Civic production for the North American market from Japan to the US, to join the production already here. I believe they also said their Ontario production will be shut down and moved to the US.

They had plans to build another plant in Mexico for a few other vehicles, but now they will build it in Indiana.

Not to mention the parts supply chain they use, more of which is moving to the US than was already here.

Spin all you want, but the existing factories are already highly automated.
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This is FAKE news. Honda is NOT moving to the U.S.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I’m not so sure that people in other countries view the opportunity to make a living that affords them a better quality of life or standard of living than they have ever experienced as exploitation.

IMO it only feels like exploitation when compared to our own standard of living.
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Expliotation. I meant dilletante was the exploiter. I agree with what you wrote.
 
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...mexico-due-us-tariffs-sources-say-2025-03-03/

Exclusive: Honda to produce next Civic in Indiana, not Mexico, due to US tariffs, sources say

TOKYO, March 3 (Reuters) - Honda has decided to produce its next-generation Civic hybrid in the U.S. state of Indiana, instead of Mexico, to avoid potential tariffs on one of its top-selling car models, according to three people familiar with the matter.​
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The change underscores how manufacturers are scrambling to adapt to U.S. President Donald Trump's proposed 25% tariffs on goods from Mexico and Canada. While several automakers have expressed concerns about the levies, Honda's move is the first concrete measure by a major Japanese car company.​
 
Honda has denied reports that it is planning to move car production from Canada and Mexico to the United States. While the company has expressed interest in increasing its U.S. production capacity, they are not relocating their Canadian or Mexican facilities. Honda has stated that their Canadian plant in Alliston, Ontario will continue to operate at full capacity for the foreseeable future.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/honda-plant-alliston-canada-1.7510455
 
dilettante said:
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...mexico-due-us-tariffs-sources-say-2025-03-03/

Exclusive: Honda to produce next Civic in Indiana, not Mexico, due to US tariffs, sources say

TOKYO, March 3 (Reuters) - Honda has decided to produce its next-generation Civic hybrid in the U.S. state of Indiana, instead of Mexico, to avoid potential tariffs on one of its top-selling car models, according to three people familiar with the matter.​
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The change underscores how manufacturers are scrambling to adapt to U.S. President Donald Trump's proposed 25% tariffs on goods from Mexico and Canada. While several automakers have expressed concerns about the levies, Honda's move is the first concrete measure by a major Japanese car company.​
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Thank you for the link. I guess we will see what happens. The date on your news story is March 3, 2025, so it predates the link of April 15th that I posted earlier which says otherwise. As I am writing this post, I see that another post has already appeared above mine which also provides you a link stating something quite different from the older source you gave us.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Thank you for the link. I guess we will see what happens. The date on your news story is March 3, 2025, so it predates the link of April 15th that I posted earlier which says otherwise. As I am writing this post, I see that another post has already appeared above mine which also provides you a link stating something quite different from the older source you gave us.
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I haven't seen Honda say they have plans to move existing production of two other vehicles out of Mexico yet. But I was talking about a new plant, which is what is now slated to be built in Indiana instead of in Mexico.
 
Honda to shift Civic Hybrid production to U.S. from Japan

Honda Motor this week said it is moving production of its Civic Hybrid hatchback from Japan to the U.S. The announcement comes amid a barrage of tariffs by the Trump administration, including a 25% levy on imports from Canada and Mexico and 25% auto tariffs.​
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"We are currently dual-sourcing the Civic Hatchback Hybrid from our Indiana Auto Plant and Japan, but beginning later this year it will be produced only in Indiana," said Chris Abbruzzese, a spokesperson for American Honda Motor Co., confirmed with CBS MoneyWatch.​
 
dilettante said:
Honda to shift Civic Hybrid production to U.S. from Japan

Honda Motor this week said it is moving production of its Civic Hybrid hatchback from Japan to the U.S. The announcement comes amid a barrage of tariffs by the Trump administration, including a 25% levy on imports from Canada and Mexico and 25% auto tariffs.​
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"We are currently dual-sourcing the Civic Hatchback Hybrid from our Indiana Auto Plant and Japan, but beginning later this year it will be produced only in Indiana," said Chris Abbruzzese, a spokesperson for American Honda Motor Co., confirmed with CBS MoneyWatch.​
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Again, thank you for your link. If you look back, you will find that my dispute was in regard to your post about Honda moving their operations in Canada to the United States.

Post edited to include this: Look down at the end of the article from your link, and you will see this: "The industry trade outlet reports that the company has denied rumors of any plans to also shift production of its Honda Civic Hybrid sedan, which is manufactured in Canada, to the U.S."
 
dilettante said:
I haven't seen Honda say they have plans to move existing production of two other vehicles out of Mexico yet. But I was talking about a new plant, which is what is now slated to be built in Indiana instead of in Mexico.
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I know, but in your post 695, you wrote this (exact quote) -> "I believe they also said their Ontario production will be shut down and moved to the US."
 
MACKTEXAS said:
I know, but in your post 695, you wrote this (exact quote) -> "I believe they also said their Ontario production will be shut down and moved to the US."
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"I believe" is hardly declaring something to be a fact.

But stay tuned, it might well happen before long.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I’m skeptical about how many of these massive corporate investments will actually come to fruition.

I have a feeling that many of these will be very high visibility but slow moving plans that will drag on and be dependent on the results of future elections, legal rulings, etc…
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And when they arrive both cost of the tariff inflated foreign goods and the government engineered domestic competition will place the goods out of reach for most US workers.
 
I think the most fascinating thing about this thread at this moment in time is the urgency to find evidence for opposing positions. Where people then run the risk of just talking past each other -- where the speed to make a point and save face out-trumps taking the time to pause and really digest what’s being said. And in a world where the media often don't get it right, in their rush to get a story or article out before someone else does.

Since when does a news article posted on April 3rd outweigh a later article offering clearer, more updated information from around April 15th? Especially when the latter source includes statements directly from Honda representatives?

Many Japanese car manufacturers have developed a policy over the past 35 years or so of producing their cars close to the markets they are sold in. Honda seems no different.

There’s a clear distinction between planned production and actual current production. The April reports (including the Reuters piece from the 3rd) pointed to a move of Civic Hybrid production from Mexico to Indiana, but without full context, that sounds like production of the Civic Hybrid was already actively happening in Mexico and is now being relocated. Which is not the case. Mexico dont make a Civic Hybrid.

Honda themselves, through official statements in mid-April, clarified that they are not currently moving any existing production out of Canada or Mexico. The Civic Hatchback Hybrid is being moved from Japan to Indiana, but plans for Mexico (such as future Civic production slated for 2027–2028) seem to be under reconsideration, not yet confirmed or active.

So it’s not that either side is necessarily wrong, but timing and detail matter, and things evolve quickly. Rushing to make a point based on half-read headlines and cherry-picking paragraphs just leads to more confusion and misinterpretation. Especially in a thread like this. It seems that instead of Honda moving production from Japan to Mexico, Honda has now decided to move it from Japan to the US, in 2028.

Honda might have different future production plans for Mexico -- it’s not as though Mexico only builds the Civic. From what I can tell, the articles posted here are referring to a Civic Hybrid, which if it is going to be built in the US in 2028, seems likely it will be the next generation Civic. That’s hardly a move from Mexico to the US.
 
Which Japanese paper an article appears about a Japanese company is very important. Toyota for example, uses the Yomiuri Shimbun (or did once upon a time). If something was said in any other paper about Toyota... take it with a grain of salt. Likely the same scenario with Honda.

When asking a Japanese person a question about anything... cultural differences should be heavily factored, upon hearing the literal translation. Several more questions are needed, imo.
 
The issue is more complex than some want to make it seem. The articles are about two different things.

And Honda Canada is not "the company" just an operating unit.
 

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