Anti-Vaxxers Tee Up Another One

Aneeda72 said:
I think its screwy logic to bring up sex in regards to vaccinations. It’s like me saying don’t get your sons vaccinated against mumps; because if they get mumps they can have sex as much as they want without fear of getting a girl pregnant. Mumps can make a male sterile, and thus avoid a painful surgery. Being sterile will let your son avoid child support payments, and you won’t have to bother with those pesky grandchildren.

Course letting your children get small pox can result in severe scarring or death. Polio could put you in the modern equivalent of an iron lung. Both would effect a teenagers ability to have sex. In fact, Let’s just stop giving all vaccinations and see where we, as a human race, end up.

@win231 what point were you trying to make? I read this post and pepper’s post
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Actually, multiple sex partners is one of the top risk factors for the reproductive cancers the HPV vaccine is supposed to reduce or eliminate. And that factor seems to be more prevalent when individuals become 'active' at young ages.
However- there are also other risk factors which are also within a person's ability to control, rather than the vaccine which is far from safe. Years ago when it started to become popular there were already quantities of reports of girls/women with serious complications. A friend's teenage daughter actually died because of it.

I'm by no means an across-the-board antivaxxer, but I do believe people should weigh benefits and risks. And while I did agree with an "old guy" on the bus a few weeks ago that vaccines aren't adequately tested, I still believe the covid vaccine has more benefits than risks.
 

@Sunny

Hmmmmm. In Uk people go in the hospital for something not Covid, they get tested for Covid on arrival and then they find out they have unsymtomatic Covid once the get the test results.

These previously unknown cases' account for nearly all of New Covid cases in hospitals in the UK these last few days. These peoplewere NOT admitted for Covid illness but for some other reason eg. broken leg, sugury, chest pain etc.

It is the way this is interpreted and repeated that is making people feel like they want all unvaxed ill people in the gutter outside of hospitals to die because they think all these cases in the hospital are people really ill from Covid and they think those could only be because of the unvaxed population.

I'm hearing this 'mistake' again and again as people who hate the unvaxed keep thinking that all the people in hospital with a case of Covid are the unvaxed. It isn't true.
 
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JaniceM said:
Actually, multiple sex partners is one of the top risk factors for the reproductive cancers the HPV vaccine is supposed to reduce or eliminate. And that factor seems to be more prevalent when individuals become 'active' at young ages.
However- there are also other risk factors which are also within a person's ability to control, rather than the vaccine which is far from safe. Years ago when it started to become popular there were already quantities of reports of girls/women with serious complications. A friend's teenage daughter actually died because of it.

I'm by no means an across-the-board antivaxxer, but I do believe people should weigh benefits and risks. And while I did agree with an "old guy" on the bus a few weeks ago that vaccines aren't adequately tested, I still believe the covid vaccine has more benefits than risks.
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🤦🏻‍♀️, as I told someone recently a conversation on SF can be had about anything. Since most of us do not have teenage children, I think those that want to discuss THIS issue, in detail, should start a thread on it, or not.

There are always people to take opposite sides on all issues. As for me, all the teenage boys should avoid the mumps vaccine, and get mumps-some will become sterile and that will help solve the over population of the world. I had mumps when I was 19 and pregnant. It was awful.

As for stopping the issue of multiple sex partners, or any sex partners, we can reinstate chastity belts for our teen population-both sexes of course. 😂. So much easier than a vaccine and fewer deaths should occur.

I am sorry about your friends daughter. There are always risks with medical treatments and vaccines.
 

Sunny said:
Last night, a woman at my bridge game said her brother had died a few days ago, while waiting for a hospital bed. He needed surgery urgently. I think it was down in Florida. She said he was told there were no beds available due to all the Covid patients there. The hospitals are apparently being pretty open about this disaster.

One solution: Covid patients who have not been vaccinated should not be admitted, if there is a shortage of hospital beds.
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Ahhhhh......I've finally met God! 😂
 
Alice November said:
@Sunny

Hmmmmm. In Uk people go in the hospital for something not Covid, they get tested for Covid on arrival and then they find out they have unsymtomatic Covid once the get the test results.

These previously unknown cases' account for nearly all of New Covid cases in hospitals in the UK these last few days. These peoplewere NOT admitted for Covid illness but for some other reason eg. broken leg, sugury, chest pain etc.

It is the way this is interpreted and repeated that is making people feel like they want all unvaxed ill people in the gutter outside of hospitals to die because they think all these cases in the hospital are people really ill from Covid and they think those could only be because of the unvaxed population.

I'm hearing this mistake again and again as people who hate the unvaxed keep thinking that all the people in hospital with a case of Covid are the unvaxed. It isn't true.
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It's not a "mistake." It's finding a scapegoat. It's the only way for some people who haven't accomplished much in their lives to feel good about themselves.
 
JaniceM said:
Actually, multiple sex partners is one of the top risk factors for the reproductive cancers the HPV vaccine is supposed to reduce or eliminate. And that factor seems to be more prevalent when individuals become 'active' at young ages.
However- there are also other risk factors which are also within a person's ability to control, rather than the vaccine which is far from safe. Years ago when it started to become popular there were already quantities of reports of girls/women with serious complications. A friend's teenage daughter actually died because of it.

I'm by no means an across-the-board antivaxxer, but I do believe people should weigh benefits and risks. And while I did agree with an "old guy" on the bus a few weeks ago that vaccines aren't adequately tested, I still believe the covid vaccine has more benefits than risks.
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You make an excellent point .........I wish others will THINK about........

If a person has a issues with one or even two types of vaccines they are being LABELED and characterized as "across the board anti- vaxxers" .

If a person has all the average shots but chose to not do one or two for their own reasons ..... how does that deserve to be stereotyped and called names?

Stereotypes and preconceived notions on what a person thinks has dominated the vaccine discussion often fueled by media or those who try to falsely shame others.....
 
Jeni said:
You make an excellent point .........I wish others will THINK about........

If a person has a issues with one or even two types of vaccines they are being LABELED and characterized as "across the board anti- vaxxers" .

If a person has all the average shots but chose to not do one or two for their own reasons ..... how does that deserve to be stereotyped and called names?

Stereotypes and preconceived notions on what a person thinks has dominated the vaccine discussion often fueled by media or those who try to falsely shame others.....
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The name calling & the "Anti Vaxxer" labels are likely due to the discomfort some people feel when others make a different decision than they made. Many people need validation from others' decisions that match theirs because their confidence is already shaky to begin with.
That's especially true with the Covid vaccines.
 
win231 said:
The name calling & the "Anti Vaxxer" labels are likely due to the discomfort some people feel when others make a different decision than they made. Many people need validation from others' decisions that match theirs because their confidence is already shaky to begin with.
That's especially true with the Covid vaccines.
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but it seems to be a little easier than consistently saying/typing he-or-she-who-does-not-believe-in-the-use-of-any-vaccines... and I don't have any 'discomfort' over 'different decisions,' nor do I hide behind language.. if I wanted to say some individuals are selfish and stupid, that's exactly what I'd say.
 
JaniceM said:
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but it seems to be a little easier than consistently saying/typing he-or-she-who-does-not-believe-in-the-use-of-any-vaccines... and I don't have any 'discomfort' over 'different decisions,' nor do I hide behind language.. if I wanted to say some individuals are selfish and stupid, that's exactly what I'd say.
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As soon as someone says "People who don't get vaccinated are selfish and stupid," they have immediately put themselves into that category.
 
Sunny said:
Last night, a woman at my bridge game said her brother had died a few days ago, while waiting for a hospital bed. He needed surgery urgently. I think it was down in Florida. She said he was told there were no beds available due to all the Covid patients there. The hospitals are apparently being pretty open about this disaster.

One solution: Covid patients who have not been vaccinated should not be admitted, if there is a shortage of hospital beds.
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Sadly, there are those they are vaccinated and are hospitalized. Vaccinated individuals are now wearing mask as well. In addition, some are having horrible side effects. However, we all do what is best for us and our health.
 
Bottom line when the topic is vaccine or no vaccine, some can agree to disagree. There will be no changing of the minds which is fine. Both sides are correct. The CDC has changed the isolation time period for those that contact Covid. Information change as quickly as we change our mind. I called my dentist office today because I thought I missed my appt - the rep informed me I did not miss my appt but she was going to call me to reschedule because quite a few of their medical staff are quitting... I wonder why :rolleyes:
 
Ladybj said:
Bottom line when the topic is vaccine or no vaccine, some can agree to disagree. There will be no changing of the minds which is fine. Both sides are correct. The CDC has changed the isolation time period for those that contact Covid. Information change as quickly as we change our mind. I called my dentist office today because I thought I missed my appt - the rep informed me I did not miss my appt but she was going to call me to reschedule because quite a few of their medical staff are quitting... I wonder why :rolleyes:
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In all my Covid posts and comments I've never tried to change anyone's mind.

I've posted articles I found interesting and informative to me.

I've commented to others who disagree with what I've posted or commented on if I believed their comments to be wrong imo or hateful. But never tried to change their mind.

I've repeatedly stated vaccines are a choice.
 
Ladybj said:
Sadly, there are those they are vaccinated and are hospitalized. Vaccinated individuals are now wearing mask as well. In addition, some are having horrible side effects. However, we all do what is best for us and our health.
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There are several different reasons that vaccinated individuals are wearing masks, probably the main one being that it's required by law, at least indoors in public places. The law doesn't differentiate between those who are vaccinated and those who aren't.

Some theaters. meeting halls, etc. require proof of vaccination as well. But even with that, masks are often required.

Also, as we've heard on the news endlessly, even the vaccine is not foolproof. It just greatly improves your ability to fight the virus. But even fully vaccinated, you can still get sick from the virus, and even if you don't die, who wants to get sick? Everybody really has to use his own judgement about mask wearing.
 
Becky1951 said:
In all my Covid posts and comments I've never tried to change anyone's mind.

I've posted articles I found interesting and informative to me.

I've commented to others who disagree with what I've posted or commented on if I believed their comments to be wrong imo or hateful. But never tried to change their mind.

I've repeatedly stated vaccines are a choice.
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Becky "Changing of the Minds" was a general statement - not reflected at anyone. I agree, we are not able to change anyone's mind on anything in life - that is up to each individual.
 
JaniceM said:
I'm by no means an across-the-board antivaxxer, but I do believe people should weigh benefits and risks. And while I did agree with an "old guy" on the bus a few weeks ago that vaccines aren't adequately tested, I still believe the covid vaccine has more benefits than risks.
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What people don't seem to get is that a covid vaccination has been around for quite a while, so all they really had to do was work on the 19 part! So the testing was done and it worked. However to each his own I am vaxxed and boosted!
 
mrstime said:
What people don't seem to get is that a covid vaccination has been around for quite a while, so all they really had to do was work on the 19 part! So the testing was done and it worked. However to each his own I am vaxxed and boosted!
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That's funny. Why have we heard endless advertising for every other vaccine but never for Covid? In fact, I never heard the word "Covid" or "Corona" until 2 years ago.
Well, actually I have heard "Corona," but it was only a beer.
 
Ladybj said:
Becky "Changing of the Minds" was a general statement - not reflected at anyone. I agree, we are not able to change anyone's mind on anything in life - that is up to each individual.
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I knew it was not directed to anyone specific, but it gave me an opportunity to make clear my intentions when I post or comment about Covid.
 

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