Anyone following the Alex Murdaugh trial in SC ?

2 consecutive life sentences... . The judge's summing up was incredible. At no time during the trial would I have as a viewer known the judge knew Alex and his family personally until his summing up today.. so not only did he know the prisoner in the dock, he knew the man and all his family .. and he called him out on his ''duplicitous nature'' and he made it clear to him he wasn't going to allow him to get away with this and he didn't...
 

Trish said:
Yes, the surviving son. I read that the police are re-looking at the case of Buster's old school friend, Stephen Smith.
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yes I posted that further back on this thread, there's talk of re-opening that case, whether they will or not who knows.. especially as the judge has just said he has 99 other charges to try against Alex Murdough in the future...
 
I think there's a very high chance AM will commit suicide first chance he gets... they'll have him on suicide watch for a while..but he has no reason now to live...

When he was given his sentence I was watching his family, and the sister was shaking her head... and I thought.. how can you all be so blind to not see what the whole world can see that this man is evil..
 
Yesterday, when the judge read that lengthy list of rules to the jury before deliberations, there was one that really struck me (words to that effect):

Circumstantial evidence is just as important as direct evidence.

It's true guilty verdicts have been handed down on circumstantial evidence only. In this case, because of the lack of direct evidence, I was guessing the trial might result in a hung jury.

Now, I realize my guess was based more on my horror that this man could be so depraved as to blow the brains out of his own child, than the lack of direct evidence.
 
RadishRose said:
Yesterday, when the judge read that lengthy list of rules to the jury before deliberations, there was one that really struck me (words to that effect):

Circumstantial evidence is just as important as direct evidence.

It's true guilty verdicts have been handed down on circumstantial evidence only. In this case, because of the lack of direct evidence, I was guessing the trial might result in a hung jury.

Now, I realize my guess was based more on my horror that this man could be so depraved as to blow the brains out of his own child, than the lack of direct evidence.
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you know what's still a puzzle ?.. if as has been said that he did this because his debts and his thefts were about to be revealed..1), why not blow his own brains out.. 2) why shoot half his family.. his eldest son would be just as likely to discover the cheating, lying, thefts and corruption as his wife and youngest son...

The thing is he will never admit to killing them ..why? IMO.. because his family have stood bheind him.. they are the only ones who will make his life as comfortable as possible while he's in prison. Phone calls, visits, money ( and potentially bribe money to the guards to keep him safe)... if he admitted it.. he would not only be left to his own devices in prison like the rest of the prison populace but he would be at the mercy of those people who are related to people he and his family sentenced to death!
 
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hollydolly said:
2 consecutive life sentences... . The judge's summing up was incredible. At no time during the trial would I have as a viewer known the judge knew Alex and his family personally until his summing up today.. so not only did he know the prisoner in the dock, he knew the man and all his family .. and he called him out on his ''duplicitous nature'' and he made it clear to him he wasn't going to allow him to get away with this and he didn't...
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I haven't been following the trial, but shouldn't the judge have recused himself? That sounds like grounds for an appeal.
 
RadishRose said:
The Murdaugh dynasty was full of lawyers and prosecutors. It would be amazing if the judge didn't know Alex Murdaugh.
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yes but I didn't realise he knew him personally along with his wife and kids.. which he referenced in his summing up... he also said he'd worked alongside Alex once before.. as well as Alex grandfather
 
hollydolly said:
why would he?.. it wasn't his decision as to whether AM was guilty it was the Jury.. and the judge didn't direct the Jury either way...
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"A judge need not automatically recuse or be disqualified if a lawyer or party in a matter before the judge is an acquaintance or friend: However, recusal or disqualification is necessary when the judge is in a close personal relationship with a lawyer or party in a matter, according to a formal opinion released Thursday by the ABA Standing Committee on Ethics and Professional Responsibility."

I suppose it comes down to how personal his relationship with the victims was.
 
oldlongwalker said:
"A judge need not automatically recuse or be disqualified if a lawyer or party in a matter before the judge is an acquaintance or friend: However, recusal or disqualification is necessary when the judge is in a close personal relationship with a lawyer or party in a matter, according to a formal opinion released Thursday by the ABA Standing Committee on Ethics and Professional Responsibility."

I suppose it comes down to how personal his relationship with the victims was.
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I don't think he could have been a close friend.. that would have been made obvious from the beginning given that Alex himself is a Lawyer ( incidentally he was stripped of his licnece to work as any kind of legal expert)... I think the judge knew him as an acquaintance as he did the rest of the Murdoch family lawyers..
 
hollydolly said:
I don't think he could have been a close friend.. that would have been made obvious from the beginning given that Alex himself is a Lawyer ( incidentally he was stripped of his licnece to work as any kind of legal expert)... I think the judge knew him as an acquaintance as he did the rest of the Murdoch family lawyers..
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I'm sure there will be an appeal, so we will see if they raise the issue. A brief googling shows they have 30 days to file.
 
hollydolly said:
I wonder what happened to the dogs.
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"What happened to the dogs at the Murdaugh's kennel?

It is unknown what happened to Gibson's dog Cash following the murders. But according to BBC, Bubba is now living with Blanca Turrubiate-Simpson, a former employee of the Murdaugh family.

The Murdaugh family had other dogs besides Bubba, per the Daily Mail. In photos taken on the night of the double murders, Bubba is seen locked in a kennel alongside another one of the family's dogs, who is believed to be named Maggie.

The outlet notes that in addition to Chase, Bubba, and Maggie, a black lab named Grady, a bulldog named Armadillo, a red bird dog named Tappy Toes, and a bird dog named Dahlia were also at the kennels."

https://www.distractify.com/p/paul-murdaugh-snapchat-video.
 
Pink Biz said:
"What happened to the dogs at the Murdaugh's kennel?

It is unknown what happened to Gibson's dog Cash following the murders. But according to BBC, Bubba is now living with Blanca Turrubiate-Simpson, a former employee of the Murdaugh family.

The Murdaugh family had other dogs besides Bubba, per the Daily Mail. In photos taken on the night of the double murders, Bubba is seen locked in a kennel alongside another one of the family's dogs, who is believed to be named Maggie.

The outlet notes that in addition to Chase, Bubba, and Maggie, a black lab named Grady, a bulldog named Armadillo, a red bird dog named Tappy Toes, and a bird dog named Dahlia were also at the kennels."

https://www.distractify.com/p/paul-murdaugh-snapchat-video.
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Exactly PB...it was Bubba who indirectly placed Alex at the kennels at approx the time of death. he denied being there at all.. but unbeknown to him Paul was recording Bubba, who'd got a chicken in his mouth and recorded both Maggie and Alex trying to get it off him..

Apparently Maggie adored all the animals.. especially the dogs.

Blanca was the housekeeper...
 
Meadors, the prosecutor, told the jury on Thursday that when his own family had seen the kennel footage, they told him, “Isn’t it something that your best witness in here are the dogs?”

“You know some people say they've got a sixth sense? You think Bubba knew?” Meadors asked. “He got Alex to say something: ‘BUBBA!’”

“Thank you, Bubba,” Meadors said, before noting that the dog is now living with the Murdaugh family housekeeper, who was herself another key witness in the trial.
 
Some lawyers think they can get away with anything. Maybe they figure, "If I'm smart enough to pass the bar........"
When I was a process server, 3 of the lawyers I worked for were disbarred. Two for stealing money from their clients & one for committing 6 armed robberies:
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-supreme-court/1838552.html
In 1978 petitioner committed six robberies of savings and loan associations in the Los Angeles area over a period of two and one-half months. In committing these robberies, petitioner used a small toy pistol and, to facilitate his escape from the crime scenes, he removed his own license plates and replaced them with other plates. The hearing panel found that petitioner's crimes were motivated by a desire for money, and that his acts were done voluntarily and knowingly. Petitioner admits the truth of the foregoing findings. The panel further found, on the basis of psychiatric and other testimony, that although petitioner needs “long-term intensive psychotherapy,” he is not presently receiving such therapy, and accordingly cannot be trusted to withstand the pressures of law practice.

And one of the lawyers who handled my probate case was also disbarred.
 
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