Are All Men Looky-Loos?

JaniceM said:
Sorry, my mistake.. I thought you meant men were programmed to be leering creeps.
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JaniceM said:
And that's the issue- most people have become civilized.. and socialized to know what is and isn't acceptable behavior... but unfortunately there are those who have not.
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You are well spoken! I believe we need to evolve our behavior as we evolve as humans. The thing I find disturbing is that when women become upset or hurt with their Lookey Lou partner, THEY are now the problem, according to Lookey.
 
Barbara971 said:
You are well spoken! I believe we need to evolve our behavior as we evolve as humans. The thing I find disturbing is that when women become upset or hurt with their Lookey Lou partner, THEY are now the problem, according to Lookey.
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You can't truly believe that men will ever stop looking ? There was a time, a hundred plus years ago, back in Victorian times, when men got aroused by seeing a "well turned ankle". How much more so upon seeing a low cut blouse ...flashing boobs ?
 
senior chef said:
You can't truly believe that men will ever stop looking ? There was a time, a hundred plus years ago, back in Victorian times, when men got aroused by seeing a "well turned ankle". How much more so upon seeing a low cut blouse ...flashing boob
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senior chef said:
You can't truly believe that men will ever stop looking ? There was a time, a hundred plus years ago, back in Victorian times, when men got aroused by seeing a "well turned ankle". How much more so upon seeing a low cut blouse ...flashing boobs ?
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My post was no longer about you men. It was about the women, their feeling of inadequacy caused by men, and maybe expecting kindness and consideration. It does not surprise me that you have turned this back to yourself, making me the unreasonable one.
 
Barbara971 said:
My post was no longer about you men. It was about the women, their feeling of inadequacy caused by men, and maybe expecting kindness and consideration. It does not surprise me that you have turned this back to yourself, making me the unreasonable one.
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I don't recall ever saying you are unreasonable. However, men are ALWAYS going to look. We might as well expect dogs to ignore the smell of cooking bacon.
 
senior chef said:
I don't recall ever saying you are unreasonable. However, men are ALWAYS going to look. We might as well expect dogs to ignore the smell of cooking bacon.
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It is a strange one this.
Obviously men of our generation are always going to look, (though what many men or women might think I'd find attractive doesn't quite work for me these days, ultra fit, muscled bodies for example, modeled maybe on a famous pop star, as seen everywhere today).
However, I'd question whether the younger generation of men have quite the same ideas, (for good or ill), and I'm told many turn away from marriage in this country or abroad.
 
Barbara971 said:
My post was no longer about you men. It was about the women, their feeling of inadequacy caused by men, and maybe expecting kindness and consideration. It does not surprise me that you have turned this back to yourself, making me the unreasonable one.
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You have not posted unreasonable views in my opinion either, and in a rare example of my putting forward an "equality" argument, I'd suggest any husband would/should have an issue if they believed their missus found another man attractive (and/or vice versa, they saw a man taking a similar interest in their wife, though the more secure man wouldn't perhaps feel threatened by this kind of thing).

There are many ways women have their confidence undermined by partners I'm sure, though in my defence when I was once accused of this I did believe I was doing all in my power to reduce the stress my wife felt under, (by calming our fractious child).

All kinds of things can be unfairly turned against any of us, though the argument more men will be lookey loos seems incontrovertible, hence more men will get it in the neck from their partners, and women aren't about to recoil from making themselves look attractive, and my teenage years were made all the more entertaining by the arrival of girls in mini skirts on a local streets! :)
 
Alligatorob said:
Yeah, pretty much, some are more discrete than others though.

I enjoy looking at women, pretty much all women, admittedly some a little more than others. Not too discriminating, I find most women attractive.

Actually I enjoy looking at and watching people in general, other men too, but I am thinking different things then...
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Add me to that list.
 
(Several times revived thread.)

I hopelessly prefer the way women modestly dressed in the 1950s era before media due to court decrees loosened morality laws versus that after about 1965 which was pushed by powerful Hollywood and Madison Avenue marketing. Greatly enjoy and am content at just looking at female faces while female bodies are modestly dressed. Down at seashores is where minimal dressing has understandable purpose. Across the world, there has always been pornography and prostitution in limited areas especially about sea ports and military bases but in those days they kept to themselves so didn't pollute the rest of us.

Human beings are capable of much more. History of the pre 1965 era shows most men have the potential to control their impulses, but given the race to the bottom seks sells media, have sadly addicted many men to behave otherwise. Such behaviors are the result of habituated repeating behaviors, just like Pavlov's dog so is not inherent. The Internet has made such far worse as will AI.
 
I get the idea that not everyone has been though couples' counseling or even read books like the fundamental and now classic "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus."

People in this field can cite studies that measured endocrine level changes and mental states during different phases of relationships and related activities.

There is a lot of denial of reality, especially in popular culture. Some of this was promulgated by cultural movements such as feminism and the feminization of men. But wishing does not make things so, especially when it comes to biology and psychology where the endocrine and limbic systems rule.

We're seeing a reaction to this now in self-defensive movements such as MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way. It's a backlash to the unequal treatment of the genders in modern society. I'd thought this was only something within the under-50 set, but as I looked around I saw that it is catching on without any upper age limit.
 
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