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Homeschoolie said:
WHooa, wait a minute, ...and this "Loving" Heavenly Father God allowed you to be, or he himself, slammed to the ground, inflicting MULTIPLE very painful...injuries to prove to you that he exists and show you how much he "loves" you....No thank you! I will pass on worshipping and following someone or something who shows its love and care for me with physical harm and suffering.
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I'm not afraid of pain and suffering when I know God is using it to get my attention and using it for a meaningful higher purpose, which begins in my post #43. The blessing I've received has been well worth it. Immeasurable.

It's been 4 months since my fall and I'm very different now. I have more love, faithfulness, gratitude, patience, peace, joy, kindness, forgiveness, self-control, and understanding. I have a renewed interest in taking better care of my health too and my priorities have changed as well. To witness His presence so strongly is powerful. I'm so grateful.

I'm looking forward to my future because soon I will be strong and healthy enough to do something very meaningful. I don't know what that is exactly yet but it will be clear when I'm ready. I know it.

Disclaimer: You may call this post proselytizing but it's no more proselytizing than atheists, agnostics, and general naysayers posting their opinions, thoughts, and beliefs to readers of a different persuasion. I have no interest in changing minds of those who don't want it. But I do have an interest in my freedoms of speech and religion.

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Lara said:
"I'm very different now. I have more love, faithfulness, gratitude, patience, peace, joy, kindness, forgiveness, self-control, and understanding. I have a renewed interest in taking better care of my health too and my priorities have changed as well.
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Ouch !! It is very harsh and barbaric to be hurt in order to make those changes....many non-abrahamic religion people change every way you mentioned above without being harmed first. The motivation is because we realize what we are saying, doing, believing, not doing etc is not the best way to be or it is creating/causing negative and/or harm within our own lives or the lives of others or the world we live in.
 

Homeschoolie said:
many non-abrahamic religion people change every way you mentioned above without being harmed first. The motivation is because we realize what we are saying, doing, believing, not doing etc is not the best way to be or it is creating/causing negative and/or harm within our own lives or the lives of others or the world we live in.
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Soooo, Homeschoolie, you seem an interesting person, how's about putting some of yerself into yer profile, so we can kinda know who we're talking to.
 
Lara said:
🕊🌿 @Homeschoolie , what is Abrahamic religion? I never heard of that. What does your avatar mean? It looks like someone lost and lonely in the universe. Is it?
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Google = {{An Abrahamic religion is a religion whose followers believe in the prophet Abraham and his descendants to hold an important role in human spiritual development. The best known Abrahamic religions are Judaism, Christianity and Islam. }}

Depending on the quality of their teachers, homeschooled kids are much more advanced than their public schooled peers.
 
win231 said:
Me neither. But....whatever makes people feel good is OK with me.
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I think the BIGGEST problem I have with religion is that each religion believes they alone will go to ''heaven'' and everyone else will go to "hell''.

There are supposedly 4200 religions in the world. When Jehovah Witnesses expect a ''rapture'' they believe only 144,000 of their people will go to heaven, all the other members will live in a paradise on earth. Their membership is about 9 million, so that means lots of them will end up second-class citizens and the rest of humanity will be destroyed.
 
PVC said:
"An Abrahamic religion...believe in the prophet Abraham and his descendants to hold an important role in human spiritual development...Judaism, Christianity and Islam" Depending on the quality of their teachers, homeschooled kids are much more advanced than their public schooled peers.
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I'm a Christian but Abraham doesn't hold any important role in my spiritual development. Not at all. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible play an important role in my spiritual development...as well as my Trust, Faith, and Obedience. Schooling isn't necessary either for spiritual development...just a small New Testament Bible and the ability to read will do it.
PVC said:
I think the BIGGEST problem I have with religion is that each religion believes they alone will go to ''heaven'' and everyone else will go to "hell''.
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My mother was a Christian but didn't believe that non-believers would all go to hell. It's not a requirement to believe that. As far as what I believe...it's not for me to decide. It's totally up to God.
 
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Lara said:
I'm a Christian but Abraham doesn't hold any important role in my spiritual development. Not at all. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible play an important role in my spiritual development...as well as my Trust, Faith, and Obedience. Schooling isn't necessary either for spiritual development...just the New Testament Bible and the ability to read.
My mother was a Christian but didn't believe that non-believers would all go to hell. It's not a requirement to believe belief that.
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You feel that only the New Testament Bible is worth reading? You have an obsessive vision of life.
 
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You feel that only the New Testament Bible is worth reading? You have an obsessive vision of life.
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Whoa. No. You're taking what I said out of context. With regard to one's spiritual development as a Christian I believe all one needs is a small NT Bible, the ability to read, and God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit who is our helper in understanding it's truth.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify.

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Please keep in mind that I share this with everyone on the forum with love and without judgement. Please forgive me if you consider this preaching but it is time for me to share my experience with all of the wonderful people on this forum:

I now know that The Bible is where we can all find answers to why suffering exists and every other question we might have that dear God wants us to know. Without this guidance we are walking in the dark as the Bible is the Word of God and God is the only true light. But here’s the only way to truly understand The Bible. We must accept Christ as the Son of God and if we do so with a contrite heart this action will open your mind and soul as the Holy Spirit will then dwell within you. (this is the real deal, it has happened to me) For my entire life I was an unbeliever and a true skeptic. During this period of time multiple crisis/tragedies occurred in my life. Though it took six years (I was a tough nut to crack) I finally accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, repented of my sins (wrong behavior according to Gods law) and decided to follow Him completely as He had given His life for me. Since that moment that I truly accepted Him through the workings of the Holy Spirit when I read Holy Scripture it is as though one of my best friends is reading it to me with clarity. In the past as an unbeliever I would’ve scoffed and called this utter nonsense, but I am living proof that in fact it is true and I thank God every day that He led me to come to know Christ and have the privilege of living in eternity with our dear Savior. I wish the same for everyone and all of you are the much loved children of God. He wants all of us to have His peace but He is not going to force you, the choice is yours to make. I think preachers call this type of narrative a testimony, I just call it the truth according to the Bible and my own experience. God love and bless you always. ❤🙏❤
 
PVC said:
I think the BIGGEST problem I have with religion is that each religion believes they alone will go to ''heaven'' and everyone else will go to "hell''.
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I had that same problem.
Until studying 'Hell'
Unlike the popular vision of hell (burning forever), it's just the absence of God....death

Many Christian religions (and I do hate the term 'religion') know there will be just as many or many more non denominational folks in the new earth than those in a given denomination.

At least that's been my experience
 
Lara said:
Whoa. No. You're taking what I said out of context. With regard to one's spiritual development as a Christian I believe all one needs is a small NT Bible, the ability to read, and God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit who is our helper in understanding it's truth. Thank you for the opportunity to clarify.`
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I apologize, I misunderstood.
 
norman said:
Just curious are you an atheist which is okay, one of my friends is, I don't try to change his belief and he has no interested in mine. Over the years I have discover that his IQ is superior and he would rather talk about science than the bible. He has an explanation for religion, but only theory as an explanation of science, on the other side of the coin, I can't prove there is an higher power.
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I don't put a label on me but if I did Agnostic would be the closest.
I spent 40 years diligently and thoroughly researching almost all spiritual beliefs : Christianity, Ancient Greek and Egyptian beliefs, Catholicism, Judaism , Islam, Indian Shamanism, Kabbalah, Hinduism, Jainism, Satanism, Atheism, Deism, All the variations of New Age, Zoroastrian, Buddhism and more.
I have studied the History of Civilizations, Archaeology, Sociology, Anthropology, and Physics and have read many of the ancient writings as close to the original sources as I could. Compared numerous translations of each.

Many of the man-made spiritual beliefs and practices are based on fear. Most have grains of truth and provide some good guidance on how to conduct ourselves in life.

What really helps put reality to the false beliefs, is when I study Physics, Astral Physics and the most current up-to-date research by medical doctors, Neurologists, Psychiatrists and Scientists. Using science to detect and measure what happens in and around the brain and body during illness, physical healing, near death, after death, during the numerous types of meditation, prayer, church services, seances, people who claim to talk with and hear from spiritual entities, when Christians and Energy Healers touch people to heal them. And more.

Just one of my own experiments in search of the truth. When I was a Christian I heard what I believed to be God and Satan. I took very inexpensive small dosage Lithium mineral supplements (not the Pharmaceutical Grade Lithium) for just a few weeks and now the only voices I hear are just me. There are numerous testimonies and controlled research that have shown when brain diseases/disorders, neurotransmitter, electrical, energy and chemical imbalances are fixed all God voices stop.

One scientist put people in a totally dark and completely silent room, hooked brain sensors to their head and asked them to meditate. They were from numerous beliefs including Atheists. Some were experienced, some never had tried meditation. On some he gently stimulated just one tiny part of their brain (don't remember which part) with a very low electrical current. They didn't feel it or know he had done this. They all had God experiences where they believed that a spiritual entity/strong presence was in the room with them. Some said it talked to them. The non-stimulated group did not have this experience.
 
Homeschoolie said:
Just one of my own experiments in search of the truth. When I was a Christian I heard what I believed to be God and Satan. I took very inexpensive small dosage Lithium mineral supplements (not the Pharmaceutical Grade Lithium) for just a few weeks and now the only voices I hear are just me. There are numerous testimonies and controlled research that have shown when brain diseases/disorders, neurotransmitter, electrical, energy and chemical imbalances are fixed all God voices stop.
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My schizophrenic son has had that same experience (being dead serious here)
 
PVC said:
I think the BIGGEST problem I have with religion is that each religion believes they alone will go to ''heaven'' and everyone else will go to "hell''.

There are supposedly 4200 religions in the world. When Jehovah Witnesses expect a ''rapture'' they believe only 144,000 of their people will go to heaven, all the other members will live in a paradise on earth. Their membership is about 9 million, so that means lots of them will end up second-class citizens and the rest of humanity will be destroyed.
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^^^^ Nailed it! And nothing amuses & entertains me more than hearing someone say that.
 
Homeschoolie said:
On some he gently stimulated just one tiny part of their brain (don't remember which part) with a very low electrical current. They didn't feel it or know he had done this. They all had God experiences where they believed that a spiritual entity/strong presence was in the room with them. Some said it talked to them. The non-stimulated group did not have this experience.
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Schizophrenics hear ''voices'', and to them those voices are REAL. It only proves that reality to people is mainly what their brain perceives, and the brain is mainly a electrical organ that can and does go haywire.

By the way, I was raised a Catholic, became an Agnostic, turned to Atheism, and am presently a Deist. It's the only ''religion'' that makes any sense to ME.
 
Speaking of Schizophrenia and "hearing voices'', I suffer from musical ''earworm'' and for a while I was wondering if I was going insane. I "hear" orchestra music (no singing) and it comes unbidden and auto-select. I asked my ear doctor and he gave it the name as ''earworm". Since I have become deaf (had chronic masteoiditis since age 5), the following makes sense. It's yet another way the brain can go haywire.
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Auditory hallucinations are so common because of the very reason that Musical Ear Syndrome develops. It is a result of hearing loss, where the brain notices a lack of auditory stimulation and reacts by “filling in the blanks,” or providing stimuli where there is none.
 
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Gary O' said:
I had that same problem.
Until studying 'Hell'
Unlike the popular vision of hell (burning forever), it's just the absence of God....death
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I went to a Catholic school and hated most of the nuns, but there was one that I liked. She said things that surprised me coming from a nun. One of the things she said was like you said above in bold, that there is no physical fire in "hell'', just the torture of never being able to meet God.

Of course, remember, I believed that in my past life as a Catholic, I no longer believe in a hereafter. I believe that we come from a microscopic union of two cells and end up a pile of bones, if that. It may sound morbid, but it doesn't bother me, once the brain dies consciousness also dies.
 
After reading the dialogue in this thread, and it evolving into is there a god, and on to hearing voices and the application of lithium, it so reminded me of something I posted in wunna my threads....

Sorry for posting again, but I need it fresh in my own mind from time to time


seems I first wrote this eons ago now, but only 20 some years ago;


I just watched the movie 'Shine' last night

.....reminded me of my eldest son

was hard to hold emotion thru some parts

was much harder for my Lady

but we remained

riveted

My son
Excelled in academics
Skipped grades
Won awards
Became somewhat sought after
Mensa
Artistic things hung in municipal halls
Life for him was just too slow apace
Stayed up for days at a time
He’d regurgitate all his thoughts to his mother and I
It was a bit suffocating

Then one day he came to me in my shop
....and began crying, telling me he felt he was going crazy,
but unable to put his feelings into words
I hugged him
Told him all kids go thru puberty and change
‘this too shall pass’ kinda thing

The next years are a blur
I guess maybe I never have wished to dwell on the events in those years

I’ll try to piece some together on my own, as I know better than to ask my lady


He ended up in prison
At 19
Advancing from a minimum security facility to OSP
And on to ‘thunderdome’
Where nobody wants to go

Tried to arrange visits
Rejected countless times
Talked to OSP counselors
‘forget your son, concentrate on your other children’

We got a call
OSP does not call anyone
‘You need to see your son’

The visiting area was like a staging zone for zoo critters
Steel tables, benches, cemented in
Chain link walls and doors
He was led in by guards
Shackled head to toe
Made to sit
Unseeing eyes
No recognition
Indistinguishable utterances
He stunk to high heaven
Never looked our way

On the way home I had to pull over, off the freeway
I don’t remember the last time I cried
Maybe as a small child...
But
Never wept like that in my life
And have yet too since
Bitter
Helpless
Godless
Utter hopelessness

A week (?) later we got another call
He was being transferred to the psych ward across the street
Where ‘One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest’ was filmed

We were told he had quit eating entirely
Weighed 90 lbs
A guard carried him in his arms across the street

We were led to the visiting area
Typical booth like situation for visitors
Only, the other side of the glass was something from a zombie movie
We got to watch him attempt to drink milk and cry

My lady had a very hard time
I went alone
Weeks of visiting later, he was released
Just like that

After 7 years of maximum security

to us

I do not do well when cleaning up men with uncontrolled body functions

Triage
Nut bins
Meds

It’s all a blur

Somewhere in there, when he was still cognizant, I did a bit of a fraught thing…

We talked about his options
He wanted to go camping

So

Him and I packed his meager belongings

Bought him some basic camp stuff

Drove him to the Trask river area


And dropped him off

while it began to rain

Ever do something that gave you immediate relief, knowing the end result would probably not be optimal?

On the way back home, I tried not to think.

Still

Thoughts crept in

Maybe he’d just lie there curled in his sleeping bag
Inert
Oblivious
Until days later large birds of prey would dine on his remains

It’s all a blur

They found him 300 miles south
Incoherent

The Tillamook women’s mental health facility asked us to take him back 'he can't stay here'

More triage

Got him hooked up with a place called Luke-Dorf

General population nut bin for semi-functional goofballs
Then what they call the quad
Then paired up in a shared apartment
And now
On his own
On a budget

I figger the tax payer’s dollars for this are from this tax payer

During these times he’d ever so often not take his meds
Sometimes it was because they changed colors or shapes and he didn’t think they were right
Sometimes it was just because he thought he no longer needed them
Always ended with me going over there, reattaching his phone, and fishing his glasses outa the toilet.

He’s as functional now as you and me, first look.

As long as he takes his meds.

Sorry
This is jumbled time line mess
My lady can recite the events like they happened yesterday
7 or more years of them
I will not take her there


Thing is...today, he's a Christian

Not some goofball religious freak...just knows God...and at peace

I consider it a bit of a miracle

And I do believe in angels...in spite of ourselves
 
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@Gary O' = We all must find our own personal Shangri la, the place where we feel safe and happy. Your son's a belief in God. It's all well and good.
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My son
Excelled in academics
Skipped grades
Won awards
Became somewhat sought after
Mensa

They say there's a thin line between genius and insanity, just like there's a thin line between laughing and crying. Hope your son stays well.

Two of my favorite TV characters had Schizophrenia and feared madness. Dr. Spencer Reid in "Criminal Minds'' and Det. Robert Goren in "Law & Order: Criminal Intent", they were/are both geniuses.
 
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