Are there moral absolutes, or does everything just boil down to opinion?

“Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless.”​

― Martin Luther King Jr.
Well, it does seem that there is a great deal of "immorality" in our country, and indeed other countries, and even though many laws are based on moral principles, it comes down to how far the law wants to intrude into society. Should extra-marital affairs be outlawed, or the fine print on documents that no one reads and gets trapped later with. Perhaps morality can't be controlled, but we do try to legislate it through the laws.
 

Perhaps true, but not always followed. The Bay Of Pigs attempted invasion of Cuba to unseat Castro was an example. Maybe it was a lesson learned along the way to a better sense of right and wrong.
In both instances for the good of society not that whatever is put in place will prevent bad/evil actions.

We know that because I suspect the intent of murdering all humanity with the exception of Noah & his family was to stop all that went wrong as mankind progressed from Adam & Eve. We know how that failed.
 
Morals will never be absolute. The first problem is who gets to decide what's moral. Culture, religion, race, environment, geographical location, all tweak morals to fit.

Our individual lives are very small so our perspectives can be limited, when you consider life on a global scale it's easy to understand how one size will never fit all.
 

No, because they were the choosing, chosen people. This is not my personal opinion, this is historical fact......the belief system of their time.
I'm not being disagreeable here Pepper, and please forgive if it sounds that way. I don't mean to be like a lawyer, but just clarifying the view. So victimizing another is sometimes right, if it's for a good or justified cause (Is that fair to say?).
 
Well, it does seem that there is a great deal of "immorality" in our country, and indeed other countries, and even though many laws are based on moral principles, it comes down to how far the law wants to intrude into society. Should extra-marital affairs be outlawed, or the fine print on documents that no one reads and gets trapped later with. Perhaps morality can't be controlled, but we do try to legislate it through the laws.
there is no absolute...... some people depending on maybe religion or maybe family beliefs see things very differently and ONE SIZE has never fit all.. ( haha was writing this as c50 posted )
views on things may change but that does not mean that is accepted by all...... Many people imo do not change their views on anything until it hits them directly.
 
I'm not being disagreeable here Pepper, and please forgive if it sounds that way. I don't mean to be like a lawyer, but just clarifying the view. So victimizing another is sometimes right, if it's for a good or justified cause (Is that fair to say?).
You're never disagreeable!!!!!

I don't understand your question. Are you speaking biblically?
 
Morals will never be absolute. The first problem is who gets to decide what's moral. Culture, religion, race, environment, geographical location, all tweak morals to fit.

Our individual lives are very small so our perspectives can be limited, when you consider life on a global scale it's easy to understand how one size will never fit all.
Yes, and it seems sometimes that our morals fall in line with our behavior. we may feel adultery is wrong, until we are the one who did it, and then we justify it (I was in an unhappy marriage, or my wife wouldn't be intimate with me anymore, or whatever).
 
But even animals practice rape, and even some kill their mate or even their young and eat them. I not sure they know it's wrong.
The first 2 are FAR more rare than in human society, and the last one is usually because they either are not viable, or starvation is a major issue. If the mother can't provide milk for her young, she doesn't make them suffer a slow death.
 
You're never disagreeable!!!!!

I don't understand your question. Are you speaking biblically?
Sorry, I wasn't clear. But yes, I guess it was using the Biblical example of civilizations that were not Israelites often becoming victims by death, taking of the land, and or wives, that it is okay morally because it was ordained? Hope that make sense.
 
Yes, and it seems sometimes that our morals fall in line with our behavior. we may feel adultery is wrong, until we are the one who did it, and then we justify it (I was in an unhappy marriage, or my wife wouldn't be intimate with me anymore, or whatever).
IF We rationalize (not exactly justify ) after crossing any moral view ...........we have or others may have that does not mean necessarily our morals changed it means we create a narrative for both us and others.
 
I think about the Iraq war. We were told we needed to take out Saddam because he had weapons of mass destruction. No he didn't, we were lied to. So they sold it as a good thing to rid the world of terrorism. Now after 1000's have died and been misplaced, I do not think it was justified. Remember that OLD saying..."All is fair in love and war."
 
Sorry, I wasn't clear. But yes, I guess it was using the Biblical example of civilizations that were not Israelites often becoming victims by death, taking of the land, and or wives, that it is okay morally because it was ordained? Hope that make sense.
If you believe in god & god's will & word then what else is there? If you believe the Israelites were god's people, I repeat, what else is there to contemplate? You're arguing with what god wants?
 
The first 2 are FAR more rare than in human society, and the last one is usually because they either are not viable, or starvation is a major issue. If the mother can't provide milk for her young, she doesn't make them suffer a slow death.
Well, to be fair here, I live in the mountains, and I see does running from the bucks all the time during breeding season, but he pursues her and eventually has his way, and it is that way in many others species, so IMO, even though we may not think of it as rape because they are animals, it is still quite common. Just an observation, but your other points may be valid. I would have to do some research, but it's really not necessary. It's just a discussion.
 
We know that because I suspect the intent of murdering all humanity with the exception of Noah & his family was to stop all that went wrong as mankind progressed from Adam & Eve. We know how that failed.
Sometimes ya gotta wipe the slate clean

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6

Kinda like now;

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24
 
Morality (from Latin moralitas 'manner, character, proper behavior') is the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper (right) and those that are improper (wrong).[1] Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that a person believes should be universal.[2] Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness".
 
If you believe in god & god's will & word then what else is there? If you believe the Israelites were god's people, I repeat, what else is there to contemplate? You're arguing with what god wants?
I wouldn't care to comment on that, as it's a matter of faith. Who am I to judge something that is beyond my knowledge and understanding. Nevertheless, I appreciate the comments.
 
2 Timothy 2:23-26
As a servant of the Lord, you must not argue. You must be kind to everyone. You must be a good teacher, and you must be patient. You must gently teach those who don't agree with you.
 
Animals have no inherent concept of morality, Their behavior is determined by what's good for the species. Since humans are just a more evolved animal, I would say we instinctively have no morals either. Our beliefs and actions are imposed on us by the society we live in, mostly because it's perceived as a benefit to that society. It becomes ingrained in that culture and is passed down.
 

Deuteronomy 6:10-12​

King James Version​

10 And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,
11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not
; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;

Sounds like theft to me
 
Yeah, I guess it's a bit scary when you think about it. The fate of what is moral and just, ultimately lies in the hands of 9 people on the Supreme Court. Even then, they are often divided on what they think, and sometimes it comes down to one person who casts the vote that decides for 300 million in the U.S., and it is simply based on that person's subjective view of life.
That's why an appeals process was created.

And bear in mind, the judgement of those 9 people must be made within the legal framework of our Constitution and their impartial interpretation of it.

Moreover, whether through individually elected federal and state congressional representatives, grassroots movements, or with their own voice, citizens have the legal right and means to demand the Constitution be further defined, amended, and otherwise changed.
 
I think:
You can't legislate morality.
It's OK to kill but not to murder.

There is no sin in the eyes of God.
Sin does not exist, only an absence of right.
Even the hells are part of God's plan.
This cannot be understood without explanation
and this forum is not the place.

In the relative field of life, values change according
to circumstances, time and surroundings.
The scope of vision in the human mind is restricted
and cannot be an adequate judge of right and wrong
when you set this against the unlimited multiverse.

Basically, If an action produces a good influence everywhere,
it is considered right. Where discord is created, it's said to be bad.
From a higher perspective, all souls are evolving toward
eternal contentment, to the absolute in nature, and all is
occurring as it should.

I know my views conflict with doctrines, dogma, teachings.
I know I stand alone in my beliefs, but that's fine.

This is an interesting and thought provoking question!
 
Sometimes ya gotta wipe the slate clean

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6

Kinda like now;

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24
After wiping the slate clean another try.
What puzzles me is the bible story of Jesus came to make changes again. According to the bible was sacrificed to help mankind to live right. And that failed.

I think religion is used as the basis to determine right & wrong. But mankind if we are to believe the bible stories will never be truly free of those that do wrong. The only respite from wrong is how mankind has developed laws for the good of society. And even those don't work.

were doomed:(
 
Animals have no concept of morality, and since humans are just a more evolved animal, I would say we instinctively have no morals either. Our beliefs and actions are imposed on us by the society we live in, mostly because it's perceived as a benefit to that society. It become engrained in that culture and is passed down.
I have wondered about that, and truthfully, I don't know the answer. It seems like we do have an innate sense that we should treat others the way we want to be treated, and our morals kinda mirror that, but as you pointed out, in the end, we are still animals, and many behaviors reflect that.
 


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