Are we getting too "virus" crazy?

Lakeland living said:
Ontario has this past week jumped up the fines, lowered the allowed numbers in gatherings.
Throw a party 10,000 dollars for the person having the party. & 750 dollars to those that attend. He promised during the next week. Since I use common sense , so far it will not affect me, living in a forest....lol
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I sincerely wish they would impose the same fines for big parties in California.
In Los Angeles, there have been several huge house parties (in rented mansions) where I sure wish the fines were issued to the hundreds of people having their "freedom parties". It could have brought in a huge amount of money to help battle this nightmare that continues because those selfish and stupid American citizens are just simply PIG HEADED. 🤬🇺🇸
It's been somewhat effective when the power and water are turned off to those mansion parties, but the fines should most certainly be imposed also.
 

CarolfromTX said:
I'm curious about what other measures you would enact to curtail other people's freedom? More fines? Some jail time, perhaps? I walk my dogs every morning. I don't wear a mask. Sometimes I say good morning to other neighbors. Sometimes we're closer than six feet. How much should I be fined? And who's going to enforce it?

I believe we get our freedom from God, not the government.
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From God? Seriously? He doesn’t have a very good track record in “freeing” people. You might want to rethink your statement. 😂
 

Never mind "bucking the system," Aunt Marg. Some of them will consider themselves great heroes, while they are causing the hideous numbers to continue going up. In the U.S. we are close to 200,000 deaths.

Some of the people who are defying common sense just simply don't get it. They refuse to listen, or to accept the truth. This article, in today's paper, was truly heartbreaking. It talks about some of the people who have died from the disease, all of them much too young, some of them leaving young children behind. See if you can read it via the link. If not, I can try to copy and paste.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/200000-death-toll-coronavirus/
 
Sunny said:
Never mind "bucking the system," Aunt Marg. Some of them will consider themselves great heroes, while they are causing the hideous numbers to continue going up. In the U.S. we are close to 200,000 deaths.

Some of the people who are defying common sense just simply don't get it. They refuse to listen, or to accept the truth. This article, in today's paper, was truly heartbreaking. It talks about some of the people who have died from the disease, all of them much too young, some of them leaving young children behind. See if you can read it via the link. If not, I can try to copy and paste.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/200000-death-toll-coronavirus/
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That's what happens when the people in charge don't believe in science. Same with all the fires raging out of control due in part to global climate change. Contrary to the recommendations of scientists, the people in charge are easing restrictions on emissions, making the situation even more cataclysmic.
 
Sunny said:
Never mind "bucking the system," Aunt Marg. Some of them will consider themselves great heroes, while they are causing the hideous numbers to continue going up. In the U.S. we are close to 200,000 deaths.

Some of the people who are defying common sense just simply don't get it. They refuse to listen, or to accept the truth. This article, in today's paper, was truly heartbreaking. It talks about some of the people who have died from the disease, all of them much too young, some of them leaving young children behind. See if you can read it via the link. If not, I can try to copy and paste.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/200000-death-toll-coronavirus/
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What a sobering read that was, and surprisingly enough, I can't say I am taken aback by people's ways.

Thank you for it, Sunny.
 
Irwin said:
That's what happens when the people in charge don't believe in science. Same with all the fires raging out of control due in part to global climate change. Contrary to the recommendations of scientists, the people in charge are easing restrictions on emissions, making the situation even more cataclysmic.
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Well said, and all undeniably true, all 100% of it!
 
Aunt Marg said:
What a sobering read that was, and surprisingly enough, I can't say I am taken aback by people's ways.

Thank you for it, Sunny.
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I think there should be more articles like this, Marg, where the devastation caused by this epidemic is described in no uncertain terms. For most of us, statistics are boring and hard to visualize. But reading that the number of people whose lives were extinguished is the equivalent of wiping out the entire population of Salt Lake City, or reading about the heartbroken families left behind, some of them with the guilt of knowing that they may have brought the illness into their own home and, in effect, "killed" their own loved one - that is much more meaningful.
 
Sunny said:
I think there should be more articles like this, Marg, where the devastation caused by this epidemic is described in no uncertain terms. For most of us, statistics are boring and hard to visualize. But reading that the number of people whose lives were extinguished is the equivalent of wiping out the entire population of Salt Lake City, or reading about the heartbroken families left behind, some of them with the guilt of knowing that they may have brought the illness into their own home and, in effect, "killed" their own loved one - that is much more meaningful.
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I whole-heartedly agree, Sunny.
 
I think we are too. Germs are washed away with soap and water as can also be wiped away with antibacterial wipes. Im really not sure how reasonable it is to use all these cleaners and germ killers when its a virus. Isnt this thing airborne in droplets? I supposed if some carrier sneezed on a surface it would be contracted by these means. I just know that we know more about contagions and we are more clean than early 1900's. Im just tired of this. Terrible. Its hurt my children a lot.
 
My concern is that we are using way too many antiviral sprays. Everybody is spritzing everything. I'm a RN. Years ago, they came out with this super antiviral, and a super anti- germ hand wash for the hospital. Si I began using it. This is a long time ago, and rubber gloves weren't as prevalent as they are today. We had those hand washes. Well, my hands swelled up, were extremely painful. I couldn't work. Turns out, the chemicals in the hand wash killed every germ on my hands-even the good ones. The handwash killed the germs that ate funguses. What I had was a fungus infection. So I didn't wash my hands and waited for the good germs to come back and finish snacking on the fungus. I fear that a few years from now we will have a virus that our overused antiviral agents can't touch. And there may be unexpected consequences, like my fungus eating germs, that will wack us hard.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
My concern is that we are using way too many antiviral sprays. Everybody is spritzing everything. I'm a RN. Years ago, they came out with this super antiviral, and a super anti- germ hand wash for the hospital. Si I began using it. This is a long time ago, and rubber gloves weren't as prevalent as they are today. We had those hand washes. Well, my hands swelled up, were extremely painful. I couldn't work. Turns out, the chemicals in the hand wash killed every germ on my hands-even the good ones. The handwash killed the germs that ate funguses. What I had was a fungus infection. So I didn't wash my hands and waited for the good germs to come back and finish snacking on the fungus. I fear that a few years from now we will have a virus that our overused antiviral agents can't touch. And there may be unexpected consequences, like my fungus eating germs, that will wack us hard.
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Exactly. But fear-type advertising sells anything & manufacturers know it.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
My concern is that we are using way too many antiviral sprays. Everybody is spritzing everything. I'm a RN. Years ago, they came out with this super antiviral, and a super anti- germ hand wash for the hospital. Si I began using it. This is a long time ago, and rubber gloves weren't as prevalent as they are today. We had those hand washes. Well, my hands swelled up, were extremely painful. I couldn't work. Turns out, the chemicals in the hand wash killed every germ on my hands-even the good ones. The handwash killed the germs that ate funguses. What I had was a fungus infection. So I didn't wash my hands and waited for the good germs to come back and finish snacking on the fungus. I fear that a few years from now we will have a virus that our overused antiviral agents can't touch. And there may be unexpected consequences, like my fungus eating germs, that will wack us hard.
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The problem, as I see it, is that we (collectively) simply don't know what we don't know. Instead of acknowledging that and moving forward carefully, we charge ahead at full speed. It is only in hindsight that we begin to realize that we created still more problems, and then we have to figure out what we did to cause those. This happens when introducing some form of life into an ecological environment to get rid of some other form of life that we consider bothersome. It happens just as the quoted post explains. It happens with technology such as the development of the automobile and other items that are supposed to make our lives easier. Nobody foresaw the impact that the car would have on our environment, the traffic jams, the drunk driving, etc.

Another example is that medical science has been allowing us to live longer, but we have not addressed what to do with us when we do. As an example SS was introduced at a time when people only lived a couple of years in retirement. Now, we typically live longer than the years we worked putting into the system. Also, the cost of treating older people has become prohibitive so that whatever we need to do such as moving into assisted care, getting operations to fix various health problems, has become a serious burden on both our society as a whole and on our individual financial resources.

It isn't that I am opposed to new developments, but instead that we need to really and truly understand the ramifications of whatever it is that we decide to do and then decide what to do about these factors. The future of AI and robotics will be interesting because we are doing the same thing again - forging ahead and we will again learn in hindsight what the issues we didn't see ahead of time are. In the development of the personal computer, we didn't foresee the problems with hacking and maintaining security and now, cyberwarfare. With the development of quantum computing, this is becoming the next "space race" for control of the planet. I doubt a lot of people realize this is going on, but instead of the Russians with the space program, it is now the Chinese. What will we come up with next?

Tony
 
They're getting angry in Britain, too.

Police have clashed with demonstrators at a rally in London protesting the latest coronavirus restrictions.

Police officers used batons to control the crowd, after bottles and water were thrown by thousands of demonstrators massed in Trafalgar Square.

At least three protesters and four officers were injured.

The Met Police said the protest was being shut down because the crowd was not complying with social distancing rules and warned fines would be issued.

Thousands had gathered in central London to protest against the latest government rules, with very few wearing masks.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54309603
 
I don't want to offend anyone here, but isn't herd immunity a science too? It was the only means available until technology enabled people to exist without ever leaving home or seeing another person. I'm just curious. It is a valid science, survival of the fittest or it was.
 
chic said:
I don't want to offend anyone here, but isn't herd immunity a science too? It was the only means available until technology enabled people to exist without ever leaving home or seeing another person. I'm just curious. It is a valid science, survival of the fittest or it was.
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I don't know if herd immunity qualifies as a science, but I am pretty sure it is simply nature taking its course. I would think that, as a science, it would have been studied so that it could be managed like a controlled burn of brush to prevent bigger out of control fires, rather than having to shut down the economy and have everybody stay home and wear masks if they should need to go anywhere.

What we are doing is a "brute force" approach rather than a carefully designed approach to minimize the impact on individuals while maximizing highly targeted means of containing the virus. I don't mean that so much as a criticism, but instead simply showing what I think a scientific approach might be. To have a scientific approach, we would collectively need to know a whole lot more about the virus than we do. In the absence of such knowledge, collectively, we are doing the best we can with what we have. Hopefully, we will have learned enough from this experience to be able to handle this virus more effectively in the future. But then, along comes the next virus and we are right back to doing this again.

Tony
 

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