Arizona has the guns, Chicago has the crime.
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Born in Chicago... Lived here all my life.... still alive... hahahahahahaha.. None of you know what you are talking about..
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My stats weren't gun specific either Lenore. They were murder statistics, means not specified.
My response wasn't about guns at all, just examining the claim that Chicago has all of the crime.
As I said, the first stats that came up were about murder. Arizona has murder too, at about the same level as Illinois.
Stats?
Difficult to quantify, often, hard to understand completely, often distorted to meet the intent of the presenter. Not aiming (no pun intended) at your post, Warri. What I'm sayin' is this:
Suppose the area under consideration has a population of 2, and 1 kills the other. Murder rate 50%, or, spread in commoner expressive notation, 50,000 per 100,000. An extreme case, yes. But it poses a picture.
The better data, IMO, would be derived based on population density of the region considered, rather than region population itself. Many questions may be posed: Arizona has immense areas devoted to Indian Reservation Lands. They regard themselves as sovereign nations, even have their own automotive license plates! Their population density is very low. Are they included in the Arizona State stats? Their total land area is over 28,000 square miles, 18.5 million acres. Total Native American population 283,000. That's 10 people per square mile, average.
Arizona state land area = 114,000 square miles, population 6,252,000. 55 people per square mile.
Difficult to quantify, often, hard to understand completely, often distorted to meet the intent of the presenter. Not aiming (no pun intended) at your post, Warri. What I'm sayin' is this:
Suppose the area under consideration has a population of 2, and 1 kills the other. Murder rate 50%, or, spread in commoner expressive notation, 50,000 per 100,000. An extreme case, yes. But it poses a picture.
The better data, IMO, would be derived based on population density of the region considered, rather than region population itself. Many questions may be posed: Arizona has immense areas devoted to Indian Reservation Lands. They regard themselves as sovereign nations, even have their own automotive license plates! Their population density is very low. Are they included in the Arizona State stats? Their total land area is over 28,000 square miles, 18.5 million acres. Total Native American population 283,000. That's 10 people per square mile, average.
Arizona state land area = 114,000 square miles, population 6,252,000. 55 people per square mile.
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As I indicated earlier, the stats I found first were purely about murders, not crime in general and they were gathered on a state wide basis. As is usual they were calculated on a rate of murders per 100,000 people which allows comparisons at a macro level.
If you want comparisons based on regional area then it is inevitable that cities would appear to be a lot more violent than remote rural areas because where there are no people, crime is a lot less likely. However it is a sad fact that violent death is more likely to happen to you in an outback Aboriginal settlement than it is in Sydney or Melbourne.
If you want comparisons based on regional area then it is inevitable that cities would appear to be a lot more violent than remote rural areas because where there are no people, crime is a lot less likely. However it is a sad fact that violent death is more likely to happen to you in an outback Aboriginal settlement than it is in Sydney or Melbourne.
"However it is a sad fact that violent death is more likely to happen to you in an outback Aboriginal settlement than it is in Sydney or Melbourne"
Is that a fact? Do Aboriginal settlements resemble our Reservations, do you suppose? I have no data for them, but reason that the "heat of the argument" situation is less likely, if the next closest guy over is 5 miles away! However, you stated "to you", meaning me or you, if located in an aboriginal settlement? I do not even know what they are. Sorry! imp
Is that a fact? Do Aboriginal settlements resemble our Reservations, do you suppose? I have no data for them, but reason that the "heat of the argument" situation is less likely, if the next closest guy over is 5 miles away! However, you stated "to you", meaning me or you, if located in an aboriginal settlement? I do not even know what they are. Sorry! imp
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No, the violent deaths happen to the people who live there. Alcohol and other drugs, unemployment and hopelessness can take their toll on small communities as well as in the big cities.
You, on the other hand, would be more likely to die of thirst if you enter the arid hinterland unprepared.
You, on the other hand, would be more likely to die of thirst if you enter the arid hinterland unprepared.
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Now, back to topic please.
Now, back to topic please.
I only know what I read regarding Chicago, I was last there in 1971.
I did live in AZ from 2000 until last November. AZ Jim lives in Surprise which is a suburb on the fringe of the Phoenix metro area. I lived in an adjacent community. I would avoid going to Chicago for any reason, I felt safe in AZ. I didn't know a single person that carried a sidearm, although I did know a number of folks that owned them.
"Sort of" statistics really don't get it.
I did live in AZ from 2000 until last November. AZ Jim lives in Surprise which is a suburb on the fringe of the Phoenix metro area. I lived in an adjacent community. I would avoid going to Chicago for any reason, I felt safe in AZ. I didn't know a single person that carried a sidearm, although I did know a number of folks that owned them.
"Sort of" statistics really don't get it.
I was born and raised in Chicago, I also did work for the city wide public transportation system. With that being said, I would not venture to many parts of the city day or night!!!!!
Chicago has a lot of extremely violent and aggressive criminals who have little or no compunction doing what they want for what they want. Regardless of physical conditions or settings it's takes an extremely selfish, violent, amoral, unethical and ignorant pos to commit/perpetuate the crime found in Chicago. One can play with statistics all they want it still comes down to the individual and personal choice.