At least 13 dead, and many missing in TX flooding

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Apparently the most serious flood wx warnings from the National Wx Service were overnight, and through the early morning hours which no doubt led to the large numbers of people rescued, killed, or still missing.


Read in this meteorologist's overview that this part of Texas is called "flash flood alley" because of the frequency of flash flooding. He also states the NWS issued timely warnings though they were issued late night.

Why on earth didn't authorities activate tornado sirens (they have them in this area) and mobilize sheriffs deputies to clear the lower lying areas? I realize not everyone could've been reached, but did they even try?
 
Read in this meteorologist's overview that this part of Texas is called "flash flood alley" because of the frequency of flash flooding. He also states the NWS issued timely warnings though they were issued late night.

Why on earth didn't authorities activate tornado sirens (they have them in this area) and mobilize sheriffs deputies to clear the lower lying areas? I realize not everyone could've been reached, but did they even try?
I understand that they did, but around Kerrville and Llano, thousands were effected and the water rose 26 feet in 45 minutes. It is hard to evacuate thousands even with hours of notice. At 6 inches per minute, roads were flooded. It is impossible to drive in that depth of water, especially when you hit a low spot and what was 6 inches becomes 6 feet. As a teen, I survived a Texas flood and it was scary. It was like being stuck in a car wash and disoriented. With that heavy of rain, vision for driving is poor or non existent and a boat would get swamped very fast. Those that climbed trees to close to the worst waters, went down with trees, some trees hundreds of years old.
 
I was surprised to read that the camp the missing girls attended hosted 750 children. That's a lot of kids together in an unfamiliar place, probably with teenagers in some of the positions of authority. Even under the best of conditions I probably would have wanted to go home.
 
I understand that they did, but around Kerrville and Llano, thousands were effected and the water rose 26 feet in 45 minutes. It is hard to evacuate thousands even with hours of notice. At 6 inches per minute, roads were flooded. It is impossible to drive in that depth of water, especially when you hit a low spot and what was 6 inches becomes 6 feet. As a teen, I survived a Texas flood and it was scary. It was like being stuck in a car wash and disoriented. With that heavy of rain, vision for driving is poor or non existent and a boat would get swamped very fast. Those that climbed trees to close to the worst waters, went down with trees, some trees hundreds of years old.

The NWS did issue warnings for the areas that got the actual storms and later for areas downstream.

It's the areas downstream that I don't understand why authorities didn't act on the NWS warnings to mobilize and warn people with sirens and emergency law enforcement.

I read that large amounts of rain fell in the San Angelo area first which is about 150 miles upstream from Hunt which is where the girls' camp is located, also the nearby RV park in Ingram that was completely washed away. Had tornado sirens been activated and LEO called out with vehicle sirens on (which is what they do here when we're under a tornado warning), people would've woken up and checked their phones to see what was going on, especially since they weren't yet actually experiencing adverse weather. It wouldn't have taken much time on foot to get 30 feet away from the river to safety before the rains and flood wave arrived.
 
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I hope and pray they find the girls that are missing. This is a wake-up call for safety. The camp site needs to have provisions in place for dire situations like these. All the roads were closed off from the camp site due to the flooding. If possible, alerting the camp several hours or even a day before would have helped save many lives. It is inexcusable that the children became victims of poor planning.
 
Posted this earlier this afternoon …… NE San Antonio TX


Having some severe rainy weather in the Texas Hill Country this afternoon… near Kerrville, Tx.

.. they have said that there are at least 13 deaths due to flooding so far. The rain came at an alarming rate.

They are now in the process of trying to locate girls at a camp site .. …20 girls missing. They are saying cabins have been washed away at the camp site..

..waiting for the 5 o'clock news

At least 13 fatalities reported in Texas as devastating floods slam hill country, officials say

https://kfdm.com/news/local/search-...missing-in-catastrophic-hill-country-flooding

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I saw a lot of pictures on TV. So much devastation. I always liked going to Texas and down around the Gulf. I had friends down there and would invite me to visit, but things have changed down there like so many other places and not all the changes are for the good.
 
NYT- "Crucial positions at the local offices of the National Weather Service were unfilled as severe rainfall inundated parts of Central Texas on Friday morning, prompting some experts to question whether staffing shortages made it harder for the forecasting agency to coordinate with local emergency managers as floodwaters rose.

Texas officials appeared to blame the Weather Service for issuing forecasts on Wednesday that underestimated how much rain was coming. But former Weather Service officials said the forecasts were as good as could be expected, given the enormous levels of rainfall and the storm’s unusually abrupt escalation.

The staffing shortages suggested a separate problem, those former officials said — the loss of experienced people who would typically have helped communicate with local authorities in the hours after flash flood warnings were issued overnight.

The shortages are among the factors likely to be scrutinized as the death toll climbs from the floods. Separate questions have emerged about the preparedness of local communities, including Kerr County’s apparent lack of a local flood warning system. The county, roughly 50 miles northwest of San Antonio, is where many of the deaths occurred.

In an interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive, and local residents are resistant to new spending.
“Taxpayers won’t pay for it,” Mr. Kelly said. Asked if people might reconsider in light of the catastrophe, he said, “I don’t know.”

The National Weather Service’s San Angelo office, which is responsible for some of the areas hit hardest by Friday’s flooding, was missing a senior hydrologist, staff forecaster and meteorologist in charge, according to Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, the union that represents Weather Service workers.

The Weather Service’s nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate."

The article then goes on to discuss why there are vacancies at the NWS.
 
Looks like 43 + tonight ? Lowlands alongside flowing / all water carries a suicidal risk factor.
People need to know, be educated about how it really can get.

Live at the top of the hill ++ ----- live half way down the hill, not so good.
Live at the bottom of the hill alongside the flowing water, are you FN crazy!
Same with camps for fun. Take the ATV down to the river.

I have witnessed flooding wipe out my boyhood fun hangouts. It only takes a couple of times to register for life.
I looked at buying a home in Florida Panhandle near Gulf Shores and Pensacola, Fla.... It was over 20 feet above
the Ocean High tide and 5 miles from that beach. After a few days the 3' of water was still in the drainage ditch
across the lawn from my soon to be thought of / purchased home. NADA!
 
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From what I heard it was the rain north that did as much damage as rain in the area . Building on one of nature's flood plain it will happen on occassion. The question when after how much. No where for water to go and winds up being artificially redirected.

Lived near a creek as kid although not deadly but people lost/watched their old gas guzzler cars float away. Sometimes all it took was intense thunder storm under an hour. Found out years and studies later they over built on a natural flood plain miles a way so they turned a wooded area into a flood plain with a series of half dams and stopped building. 30 years later they started building again on that flood plain although small structures they put asphalt parking lots in. And sure enough a major flood for the first time in over a 1/4 century miles away.

Condolences to those that lost someone. Hope survivors get rescued.
 
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