Atheists in a Christian society

Ever consider sports?

Golf....the nineteenth hole is a great place to socialize
aaand, there's no offering
but
you may have to buy a round from time to time

As far as your soul, any hole with a dogleg will cause you to give it up for par
I use to be very active. I ran when I lived in Oregon and biked and climbed and even lettered in crew when I went to the University of Oregon, but I was badly injured in the Marine Corps and with time it got worse. Long story short, about about 6 years ago I had my leg amputated. I now have a prosthetic leg and even walking is difficult.
 

Man, that's a tough one

Seems each of us, forunate enough to get old, experience difficultiess we'd never have imagined when young
I find that problems are best dealt with by keeping them in perspective and my perspective on this is just that this is the price it cost me to live this long.
 

I was a Christian when young and after 30 years of questioning, I became an atheist. I don't worship satan or eat babies, I just don't believe in a god. A (Greek prefix for NOT) THEIST (from the Greek meaning believer in a god). A-THEIST, not a believer in a god. Period. But while that is what I believe, I respect the right for other people to believe whatever they want as long as they don't hurt others.

It is very much a Christian society in the US where I live, and the socialization found in churches just isn't available to the atheist. Now in the future, it may well be that atheists will have healthy, supportive socialization outlets just like religious groups do now, but atheism isn't really an alternate religion, it is just nothing. and there is no support right now. I like to use an example of A-santa-ists, or people who don't believe in Santa. While someone who believes in Santa likely expects presents on Christmas, leaves cookies out for Santa to eat and sends a letter to the North Pole (or email?) telling Santa they have been good and what they want for Christmas, there is no counter position for someone who doesn't believe in Santa, they just discontinue their prior beliefs. But maybe they still like the positivity and presents that came with Santa, so they have to look to new outlets to satisfy those desires. So we give presents to each other and sing and eat together.

Likewise, that is the atheist story. Stop believing in god and lose benefit of the positive meetings and relationships believers in god enjoy. But there is no alternate outlet to look to for replacing the positives lost when you stop believing in god and can no longer attend a church and fellowshipping with positive people. It doesn't have to be that way but currently that is pretty much how it is.

Anyone else have some thoughts on this other than trying to save my soul?

There are only 2 possibilities for human existence, Evolution or Creationism! Evolution it seems would have created strange beings, since it has no mind to be mechanical, God does.

Evolution I think would be all whacky, having just an eyeball on 2 feet walking around, or ears on your stomach and any oddball character you can draw?
 
To be the contrary person I am, while I have no comment on your message, I do have a remark to make about your signature. Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing. I am a computer programmer and in that context I would much rather no documentation rather than bad documentation. When the code changes but the documentation doesn't the documentation can totally take you down a rabbit hole.
As a long time computer hobbyist and Linux user I totally get your reference to preferring no documentation over bad documentation. When I came up with that sigline I was thinking of applications other than software.
 
I began to wonder about God, at my First Holy Communion. Somehow all the grace filling my soul never to seemed happened. I spent most of the service trying to get the Body Of Christ unstuck from the roof on my mouth. Since then, religion has taken a hit. It's really not a driving, political force as it was in the 1980s. Today, I can't tell what religion someone else does or does not believe. I don't care what the hell you believe as long as you keep it to yourself. I agree going to "atheist" meetings is a kind of a nonchurch church. I don't go to spread atheism, nor to have my atheism confirmed. So, why go. You have to find other options to socialize. What do you like to do?
 
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There are only 2 possibilities for human existence, Evolution or Creationism! Evolution it seems would have created strange beings, since it has no mind to be mechanical, God does.

Evolution I think would be all whacky, having just an eyeball on 2 feet walking around, or ears on your stomach and any oddball character you can draw?
It did! The strangest being humans, IMO. 😄
 
I was a Christian when young and after 30 years of questioning, I became an atheist. I don't worship satan or eat babies, I just don't believe in a god. A (Greek prefix for NOT) THEIST (from the Greek meaning believer in a god). A-THEIST, not a believer in a god. Period. But while that is what I believe, I respect the right for other people to believe whatever they want as long as they don't hurt others.

It is very much a Christian society in the US where I live, and the socialization found in churches just isn't available to the atheist. Now in the future, it may well be that atheists will have healthy, supportive socialization outlets just like religious groups do now, but atheism isn't really an alternate religion, it is just nothing. and there is no support right now. I like to use an example of A-santa-ists, or people who don't believe in Santa. While someone who believes in Santa likely expects presents on Christmas, leaves cookies out for Santa to eat and sends a letter to the North Pole (or email?) telling Santa they have been good and what they want for Christmas, there is no counter position for someone who doesn't believe in Santa, they just discontinue their prior beliefs. But maybe they still like the positivity and presents that came with Santa, so they have to look to new outlets to satisfy those desires. So we give presents to each other and sing and eat together.

Likewise, that is the atheist story. Stop believing in god and lose benefit of the positive meetings and relationships believers in god enjoy. But there is no alternate outlet to look to for replacing the positives lost when you stop believing in god and can no longer attend a church and fellowshipping with positive people. It doesn't have to be that way but currently that is pretty much how it is.

Anyone else have some thoughts on this other than trying to save my soul?
There are quite a few groups in Florida, LS. Do a web search for "Atheists Broward County." Other terms are Humanists and Freethinkers. Also, go to the website (not Meetup of Facebook pages) of the Central Florida Freethought Community. One of the website pages lists all of the groups in Florida with a map.
 
Ever consider sports?

Golf....the nineteenth hole is a great place to socialize
aaand, there's no offering
but
you may have to buy a round from time to time

As far as your soul, any hole with a dogleg will cause you to give it up for par
Join and Atheist group or start one. American Atheists has all sorts of help tools; however, for some reason, I can't find them on their website. You can contact them. If I have the wrong organization, they'll tell you which one is the right one. There are all sorts of national and local organizations.
 
The only problem with the atheist and humanist groups I've tried is that they are sort of dry and intellectual. None of the beautiful music of a church or temple service. That's a big thing to be missing, IMO.

But they do have good fellowship and are usually very friendly. Plus their philosophy is much more in line with mine.
 
There are only 2 possibilities for human existence, Evolution or Creationism! Evolution it seems would have created strange beings, since it has no mind to be mechanical, God does.

Evolution I think would be all whacky, having just an eyeball on 2 feet walking around, or ears on your stomach and any oddball character you can draw?
If it were able to survive, the only reason it would be wacky is that you might think it was. If you take a look at many of the extinct organisms and even many of the non-extinct ones, Ohio, I'm sure you'll find hundreds or thousands that will seem wacky to you.
 
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What am I missing here? You say : “I would love to go to a church and fellowship with nice people but as soon as I tell them what I really think about what they believe, I will be shown the door.”

….and quite rightly so..I would also escort you to the door. Let me get my head around this. You go to a place of worship and then proceed to tell people what you “think” about their beliefs? Huh???
I sure would not attend that church. If you are an atheist, you're told to leave the church?! I can just see (not) Jesus pleased over sending an person who honestly admits to being an atheist he's not welcome. How is he going to learn/hear the Word of God if you shut the church building doors on him?
 
I was raised as an atheist and I believe in the Humanist thoughts of compassion, ethics, science, and nature. Four beliefs I can actually see the benefits of. I've never really felt the need to belong to a group that feels the same. People have their own personal beliefs. There are many priests and ministers who are atheists. 🤫

Buddha's intent was a philosophy of life based on compassion. He did not believe in one religion or set of traditions because he knew that everyone could not conform to set rules or beliefs and should develop their own. I've often wondered if the phrase, "My religion is in my heart" came from that. :unsure:

Even Frank Lloyd Wright stated, "I believe in God, only I spell it N-a-t-u-r-e.

 
I was raised as an atheist and I believe in the Humanist thoughts of compassion, ethics, science, and nature. Four beliefs I can actually see the benefits of. I've never really felt the need to belong to a group that feels the same. People have their own personal beliefs. There are many priests and ministers who are atheists. 🤫

Buddha's intent was a philosophy of life based on compassion. He did not believe in one religion or set of traditions because he knew that everyone could not conform to set rules or beliefs and should develop their own. I've often wondered if the phrase, "My religion is in my heart" came from that. :unsure:

Even Frank Lloyd Wright stated, "I believe in God, only I spell it N-a-t-u-r-e.

And what most people don't realize is that a huge number of Jews are secular. There's even a denomination of Judaism called Humanistic Judaism. However, as far as the priests and ministers are concerned, most, if not all, are living in conflict. Many end up either jumping ship cold turkey or going through "The Clergy Project" which helps clergy transition. In addition to the problems that the lay community have, they need to give up their livelihoods.
 
"...that everyone could not conform to set rules or beliefs and should develop their own..."

Conform not to set rules or beliefs and should develop their own?... And than what? Chaos amongst people who come up with different rules and beliefs?
I searched for a Christian church denomination for years, got sick of hearing from each that THEY are correct in their interpretation of scripture, so I gave up and now listen to preachers who directly teach from Bible scriptures to the congregation. On T V.
 
"...that everyone could not conform to set rules or beliefs and should develop their own..."

Conform not to set rules or beliefs and should develop their own?... And than what? Chaos amongst people who come up with different rules and beliefs?
I searched for a Christian church denomination for years, got sick of hearing from each that THEY are correct in their interpretation of scripture, so I gave up and now listen to preachers who directly teach from Bible scriptures to the congregation. On T V.
I'm confused, Elsie. I don't see the difference whether they're on T.V. or in church buildings. I don't follow them and so don't know; however, it would seem to me that they various television preachers are all preaching their own interpretations of the bible (whichever translation each is using). Can you please explain how this is different? Thanks!
 
And what most people don't realize is that a huge number of Jews are secular. There's even a denomination of Judaism called Humanistic Judaism. However, as far as the priests and ministers are concerned, most, if not all, are living in conflict. Many end up either jumping ship cold turkey or going through "The Clergy Project" which helps clergy transition. In addition to the problems that the lay community have, they need to give up their livelihoods.
There are also Messianic Jews who believe Jesus has been to earth and was crucified.
 
There are also Messianic Jews who believe Jesus has been to earth and was crucified.
Yes. They call themselves Jews; Jews call them Christians. Whichever floats your boat. Anyway, this means that although they call themselves Jews, they aren't covered under the Law of Return by Israel.
 
Yes. They call themselves Jews; Jews call them Christians. Whichever floats your boat. Anyway, this means that although they call themselves Jews, they aren't covered under the Law of Return by Israel.
It's another ploy to convert Jews and for that they are despicable. At least the Mormons wait till the Jew is dead to convert him/her. Also despicable and mind numbingly repulsive.
 
It's another ploy to convert Jews and for that they are despicable. At least the Mormons wait till the Jew is dead to convert him/her. Also despicable and mind numbingly repulsive.
I have a HUGE problem with anyone who tries to convert me to anything. I'm a Jewish Atheist; Jews absolutely don't convert. As a matter of fact, if someone want to convert to Judaism with an Orthodox rabbi, the rabbi is going to do everything possible to convince the individual not to convert. I also have a HUGE problem with Atheists who try to deconvert people. I don't think it's any of anyone's business what someone else believes. If two people want to have religious discussions, that's fine; I believe everyone should have a course in comparative religions. But that's as far as it goes. (Off my soapbox)
 
I'm confused, Elsie. I don't see the difference whether they're on T.V. or in church buildings. I don't follow them and so don't know; however, it would seem to me that they various television preachers are all preaching their own interpretations of the bible (whichever translation each is using). Can you please explain how this is different? Thanks!
I'm not surprised that I confused you. :)
It was because off my Essential Tremor full body shaking that I finally turned to searching to find a T V Christian preacher, instead of attending any particular church . I first found a couple of preachers I thought were on target preaching God's Word. Big mistake. After a time of more searching, I came across 3 non-phony preachers that preach with wisdom scriptures from the Bible. Dr. Charles Stanley, Yousef and David Rodrigous. They each have their own method of preaching, but they all give God's true messages..... :)
 
I'm not surprised that I confused you. :)
It was because off my Essential Tremor full body shaking that I finally turned to searching to find a T V Christian preacher, instead of attending any particular church . I first found a couple of preachers I thought were on target preaching God's Word. Big mistake. After a time of more searching, I came across 3 non-phony preachers that preach with wisdom scriptures from the Bible. Dr. Charles Stanley, Yousef and David Rodrigous. They each have their own method of preaching, but they all give God's true messages..... :)
As an Atheist, I'm looking for clarification, Elsie, and doing so with respect to you. What makes you say that they give god's true messages? Looking at it from the outside, I see that there are many thousands of groups (and individuals) who believe they're getting god's true messages. If I were to ask any one of them, I'd be told the same thing even though in huge numbers of instances they're in contradiction to each other. Can you please explain this? Thank you! :)
 
As an Atheist, I'm looking for clarification, Elsie, and doing so with respect to you. What makes you say that they give god's true messages? Looking at it from the outside, I see that there are many thousands of groups (and individuals) who believe they're getting god's true messages. If I were to ask any one of them, I'd be told the same thing even though in huge numbers of instances they're in contradiction to each other. Can you please explain this? Thank you! :)
Hard to explain. You might even think I'm nuts. :) You've heard of praying/asking Christ Jesus to come into your heart to be your Lord and Savior? Well anyway, believe it, or not, when I did, over time I started to recognize that those things/actions/thinking I thought were fine, mine and others, really weren't. It's pretty much the same that when I listen to some preachers, I get an uncomfortable feeling deep inside that something is wrong here.

You've heard of the Holy Spirit? Well it's my belief that when you sincerely accept Christ Jesus into your heart to be your Lord and Savior, you receive God's Holy Spirit within you and the Holy Spirit guides you in life--helps you to not be deceived by anyone.

If this all sounds like fantasizing to you, okay.
 


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