Australia considering a new national gun amnesty

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As the number of guns in the community continues to rise, so too does the level of gun violence.
The national and state governments are planning joint action to deal with this problem.

September 13 2016 - 11:30PM New national gun amnesty to be announced

Tammy Mills, Chris Vedelago, Cameron Houston, Nino Bucci

The federal government is poised to announce a national gun amnesty following an unprecedented wave of violent firearm-related crime in Melbourne.

The destruction of Melbourne's weapons

Disposing of confiscated and surrendered weapons and firearms falls to the Macleod Forensic Services Centre, where they crush guns and melt them into raw metal.

State and federal ministers and attorney-generals requested an amnesty be considered by senior officials in the National Justice and Policing Senior Officials Group last year.
These officials gave a unanimous in-principle support for an amnesty last month.

State ministers must agree to proceed, however, support for an amnesty is strong and it is understood the timing will be settled before the end of the year. Victoria's Police Minister Lisa Neville said the state government would support the move.

"We are working with our State, Territory and Commonwealth colleagues on how it will be rolled out. The Commonwealth is leading this work and the details are still to be settled," Ms Neville said. This week, a Fairfax Media investigation revealed shootings are now a weekly occurrence in Melbourne and gun-related crime has doubled since 2011.

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More than a million new weapons have been legally imported since the 1996 buyback scheme. Photo: Penny Stephens

There are also more legally owned firearms in the country than before the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, which sparked the original national amnesty and buyback. A new amnesty has been backed by prominent children's safety charity, The Alannah and Madeline Foundation, which was founded in honour of two young sisters, aged six and three, who were murdered at Port Arthur.

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Police Minister Lisa Neville supports a gun amnesty. Photo: Eddie Jim "The Australian community cannot get complacent about this -- for people to feel that it's all done and fixed," chief executive Lesley Podesta said.
The 1996 scheme led to the voluntary surrender of more than 700,000 firearms.

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About 4000 guns about to be destroyed as part of the 1996 buyback. Photo: Dean Sewell

More than a million new weapons have been legally imported since.

State shadow Police Minister Edward O'Donohue warned a new scheme would not target criminals who have access to illegal, high-powered weapons.

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A handgun is destroyed at the Geelong Clay Target Club in August 2003. Photo: Michael Rayner

"Any response from Victoria Police and (state) government should be focused on this cohort, not lawful guns owners," Mr O'Donohue said. Firearms Safety and Training Council general manager Gary Bryant agreed.

"Licensed firearm owners and users are not the problem. The problem are criminals and criminals do not respond to regulatory environment. They don't care about regulations," Mr Bryant said.

Federal Justice Minister Michael Keenan said legislation that doubles the maximum penalties and provides a mandatory five years jail for firearms trafficking will be introduced in parliament this week. "

The illegal trafficking of firearms is a deadly crime and just one illegal firearm is a huge threat to the safety of Australians," Mr Keenan said.

The size of the illicit market and how guns get there is a contentious subject.
Some authorities have argued that many guns used in crimes are illicit weapons not turned over in 1996; a source known as the "grey market". Criminologists estimate at least 1500 guns are stolen from legal owners every year.

A senior law enforcement source says the "diversion" of newly imported weapons, either through theft or illegal sale, is one of the biggest sources of black-market firearms.

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem. Gun-control advocates have also warned that any amnesty or new regulations must come with a broad national conversation about why they are being undertaken in order to ensure public support.

"One of the things we know from the previous buyback is that it was accompanied by an enormous amount of community education, public information, public debate and bringing people together within the community around saying 'this is how we want our country to be'. That's really critical," Ms Podesta said.
 

Of course not. Guns are a problem everywhere and steps need to be taken from time to time to manage the risk.
Gun regulation is not set and forget. If the price of freedom is constant vigilance, so too is the safety of the general population.
 

Good luck with that...our county does gun buybacks maybe four times a year. Just one US county and one gun buyback. They get weapons, IED's...grenade launchers...an urban area with grenade launchers and sniper rifles. $300 for a max of three weapons and no questions asked. Total insanity any way you look at it.
 
The problem with Gun Buyback programs is that Only the law abiding people participate. There Might be some value in these programs by reducing the numbers of weapons that are stolen, and fall into the hands of the criminals, but for the most part the buyback programs I've seen accomplish very little here in the U.S. Besides, most of the weapons turned in are older guns with problems that are really not safe to use anymore. I doubt very much that any of the countless guns in the hands of the thugs and gangs ever find their way into these programs.
 
The legislation will have some sharper teeth including up to 20 years in prison for gun trafficking. There will be no buyback this time, just an amnesty to hand in unregistered guns, especially hand guns.

There is some criticism along the lines that the government needs a distraction from some political problems at this time. There could be some truth in that but given that all of the states will need to co-operate with the commonwealth I don't think that that is all there is to it.
 
Halifax, Canada has a novel approach to reducing the number of guns in the community.

Halifax council to consider gun amnesty program
Gun deaths in the municipality prompt proposal to trade guns for bus tickets

Anjuli Patil
Reporter

If you had a gun, would you trade it in for 50 bus tickets? That's part of a proposed amnesty program Halifax regional council will consider Tuesday.

The proposal comes following gun violence in the Halifax area this past spring. There have been nine homicides in HRM in 2016 so far — at least five of those killings involved guns

Advantage of program

The report stated that while gun amnesty programs don't directly decrease violence, they do have advantages. For example, any gun turned over to police can't be be stolen and used to commit a crime.

According to the report, Halifax Transit is willing to provide the bus tickets if the program moves forward. The municipality could also seek out other companies willing to donate goods or services as part of the amnesty program.

"I think if they can come up with any incentive, any incentive is worth it. I think a lot of people would do it without any incentive. It's just another way to get people's attention to participate in the program," said Martin.

The municipality had a similar gun amnesty program in 2009 where guns could be traded in for a digital camera and gift card. In that instance police reported 1,074 guns and more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition were turned in during that initiative.

More details here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-gun-amnesty-program-1.3747983

Interesting to see the different ways that citizens of Australia, Canada and the US approach the problem of gun violence and the level of violence each is prepared to tolerate before attempting to curb it.
 
Halifax, Canada has a novel approach to reducing the number of guns in the community.



Interesting to see the different ways that citizens of Australia, Canada and the US approach the problem of gun violence and the level of violence each is prepared to tolerate before attempting to curb it.

Scotland has little tolerance for guns and very rarely death by gun.
 
I am curious Manatee.
Assuming that you own one or more firearms, what will happen to them
when you become incompetent due to old age or after you pass away?

Not just you either. What happens to the guns of all deceased persons?
 
I am curious Manatee. Not just you either. What happens to the guns of all deceased persons?

I can't speak for Manatee, but my Son-in-Laws and Grandsons have already requested my firearms when I get old. I have an old Winchester 30.30 lever action rifle that is over 100 years old, and belonged to my Grandfather.
 
The problem with Gun Buyback programs is that Only the law abiding people participate. There Might be some value in these programs by reducing the numbers of weapons that are stolen, and fall into the hands of the criminals, but for the most part the buyback programs I've seen accomplish very little here in the U.S. Besides, most of the weapons turned in are older guns with problems that are really not safe to use anymore. I doubt very much that any of the countless guns in the hands of the thugs and gangs ever find their way into these programs.

I agree -- it's not like the local gang bangers will be lining up to turn in their Saturday night specials. Ain't gonna happen.
 
They would be passed on to your heirs, just as any other personal property. Mine will go to my son.
Do the recipients need to have a licence to own a gun if it is an inheritance?
Is there any check on their mental fitness or possible criminality?

(Not casting any aspersions on your family - it is just a thought that this could be a problem unless the guns are trackable)

I recall that long before national gun laws in Australia a colleague of mine died and the police came to the house to find out what was happening to his registered hand gun. I don't remember whether or not his son inherited it but the police were certainly interested in where it ended up.
 

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