Australia & Putin

Fern

Fern

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The Aussie PM has upset Putin so much he's sending the warships to 'visit' Australia. ;)
The Russians are coming, but the Australian Government isn't about to panic.
Four Russian warships are exercising in the Coral Sea before this weekend's G20 summit in Brisbane, in a move being interpreted as a show of force by President Vladimir Putin.
But the Australian Government says that as long as the vessels stay in international waters there is nothing to worry about.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott insists Australia has been monitoring the warships for some time and will continue to do so.
"It's not unusual for Russia to deploy naval elements when there are significant international events taking place," he told reporters in Burma, where he was attending the East Asia Summit.
It would be unusual - but not unprecedented - for them to enter Australian waters, Abbott said.
The Russian Navy also deployed to Singapore when the Apec summit was held there and in the Pacific when San Francisco hosted a major summit.
Putin is expected to arrive in Brisbane today.
The latest warship manoeuvres come after a meeting between Abbott and Putin at the Apec summit in Beijing on Tuesday, when the Prime Minister and President discussed Russia's involvement in the MH17 air disaster.
But Abbott, who had vowed to "shirtfront" Putin, said the exercise was probably planned months ago, well before he signalled the confrontation.
Peter Leahy, a former army chief, described the Russian presence as more than a subtle demonstration of power. But under international law Russia was not doing anything wrong.
"It's more associated with the meeting in Brisbane rather than comments made by the Prime Minister," said Leahy, director of the National Security Institute at the University of Canberra.
"I would be more concerned about what's happening over in the Ukraine than what's happening with three or four - including one tugboat - Russian vessels in our area."
Labor leader Bill Shorten said the deployment distracted from Russia's complicity in the MH17 air disaster.
"I don't think we should play the Putin game of engaging in his stunts."
-AAP
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Putin isn't Abbott's only worry.

He's refused to put climate change on the G20 agenda because he doesn't see it as an 'economic issue'.

There are others who disagree and now he has been embarrassed by the US and Chinese presidents releasing a joint statement about future emission reduction targets. The Coalition has long shouted that Australia should not act before the big polluters do something. This has been the justification for dismantling the previous government's climate change policies. Now it is patently obvious that we are well behind the pack on this issue.

He's a mental midget as this cartoon makes clear.

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"I would be more concerned about what's happening over in the Ukraine than what's happening with three or four - including one tugboat - Russian vessels in our area. Labour leader Bill Shorten said the deployment distracted from Russia's complicity in the MH17 air disaster. "I don't think we should play the Putin game of engaging in his stunts."
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That's for real. Russian warplanes are doing all kinds of provocative things near NATO airspace. Their long range bombers have deployed to the Gulf of Mexico like in cold war days. Putin is really dangerous. I remember when the USSR fell and all the idiots in Washington ran around chanting: "We're the only superpower!". That one stupid moment set this all up. Like Geo. Bush calling our response to 9/11 a "Crusade". Jeez.
 
metasegue said:
"I would be more concerned about what's happening over in the Ukraine than what's happening with three or four - including one tugboat - Russian vessels in our area. Labour leader Bill Shorten said the deployment distracted from Russia's complicity in the MH17 air disaster. "I don't think we should play the Putin game of engaging in his stunts."

That's for real. Russian warplanes are doing all kinds of provocative things near NATO airspace. Their long range bombers have deployed to the Gulf of Mexico like in cold war days. Putin is really dangerous. I remember when the USSR fell and all the idiots in Washington ran around chanting: "We're the only superpower!". That one stupid moment set this all up. Like Geo. Bush calling our response to 9/11 a "Crusade". Jeez.
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What complicity? Russia didn't shoot down that plane and if you want to talk about complicity, how about American complicity to the tune of $5 billion dollars spent supporting neo-Nazi thugs and Fascists who overthrew a duly elected government in Ukraine? Not the first government America has 'removed'. How would America like it if some other country came in and fomented trouble with terrorists and threw Republicans and Democrats out on their ears? Would that sit well with you?

How about if Russia came into Canada, supported terrorists who chased Harper out of the country and then set up their puppet regime right next door to you? Isn't that exactly what the US has done in Ukraine?

There is a reason that a Gallup poll done earlier in the year, chose the US as the greatest threat to peace(Russia wasn't in first place on that one and wasn't even mentioned as a matter of fact). http://www.ibtimes.com/gallup-poll-biggest-threat-world-peace-america-1525008
 
The first half of my post (QUOTES) came from Fern's post earlier. I'm not overly familiar with relations down there. I was criticizing my country. I'm am aware of some of the clandestine abuses. I was simply remarking on Russia's increasingly hostile military posture towards the west and it's obvious implications.

If the entire Canadian Parliament could be compromised into electing a Russian flunky....I guess we'd deserve our new neighbours. Are the politics of Australia and New Zealand in accord...generally? Just curious.
 
Somebody needs to get OZ in line, maybe we should let the Ruskies do it, or make it a joint venture, but it needs to be done...
 
I'm referencing Debby's post before yours where she described a scenario in which the Russians installed a Canadian puppet...supposedly like we (the U.S.) did in the Ukraine.
 
Ah... I've reread the posts and realise that Debbie was talking about a hypothetical situation.
I couldn't quite see Harper as a Russian puppet with Putin pulling the strings.
 
OK, but when I am on Mars enjoying an adult beverage while listening to the King you may be dancing to A Russian tune...
 
metasegue said:
The first half of my post (QUOTES) came from Fern's post earlier. I'm not overly familiar with relations down there. I was criticizing my country. I'm am aware of some of the clandestine abuses. I was simply remarking on Russia's increasingly hostile military posture towards the west and it's obvious implications.

If the entire Canadian Parliament could be compromised into electing a Russian flunky....I guess we'd deserve our new neighbours. Are the politics of Australia and New Zealand in accord...generally? Just curious.
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And considering the pressure that America is putting on Russia, is there ANY surprise that Russia is having to stand up to it? Would you be hostile if you were in their position? Everything from Russia was peaceful pretty much until the US trained their sights on the Ukraine government.

Ukraine wasn't compromised into electing an American flunky. Nice non-inflammatory way of saying what happened. The USA spent billions that you don't have to support a coup by blood thirsty fascists. Did Russia 'deserve' that? Why? Why would you say that? What had they done to America before that event? Anything?

USA 'Caught Red Handed' 'US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland was caught on tape micro-managing Ukraine opposition party strategies with US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt...' http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/02/12/caught-red-handed/


'...The forbidden truth is that the West has engineered –through a carefully staged covert operation– the formation of a proxy regime integrated by Neo-Nazis.Confirmed by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, key organizations in the Ukraine including the Neo-Nazi party Svoboda were generously supported by Washington: “We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. … We will continue to promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”...'http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554
 
It's a pathetic stance from Putin, Good on OZ, bullies need standing up to, regardless of their race.

The prime minister, who met with Putin earlier this week on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Beijing, aired details of his conversation with the Russian leader.
“One of the points that I tried to make to President Putin is that Russia would be so much more attractive if it was aspiring to be a superpower for peace and freedom and prosperity … instead of trying to recreate the lost glories of czarism or the old Soviet Union.”
Abbott, an athletic 56-year-old former amateur boxer whose government is a staunch U.S. ally, has gained a higher international profile by loudly demanding more co-operation from Russia on the Dutch-led investigation into the downing of Flight 17.
He raised eyebrows last month when he declared he intended to “shirtfront” Putin, using an Australian football term for a head-on shoulder charge to an opponent’s chest.
Cameron also took a swipe at Russia, warning that Western sanctions against the country could increase if it continues to foster the rebellion in eastern Ukraine.
Meanwhile, German Chancellor Angela Merkel downplayed the appearance of Russia’s ships.
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Dame Warrigal said:
I listened to President Obama's address to Queensland University this afternoon.
Very impressive and very inspiring. No notes and speaking with conviction.
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Yes, he always does...

Here are President Obama’s 10 top accomplishments two years ago...


1. Passed Health Care Reform : After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010).

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave.

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry

8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi. No American lives were lost.


There are 40 more here......


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...mas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all
 

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