Austria to begin lockdown on the unvaccinated tonight

Don M. said:
The longer this virus lingers, and the more it mutates, the greater the chances that these mandates and lockdowns will continue. There are so many people who refuse the vaccines, and even still some who think this is a hoax, that any improvement in the numbers will likely be short lived. It took a long time to eradicate polio and smallpox, and it looks like Covid may also be a concern, for years.
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Yes and it seems that's just the way it's going to be. Very sad.
 

Sunny said:
Furry, we all have to "comply" with all sorts of things, all the time. That is part of the price we pay for living in a social environment. If you don't want to comply, you can always be a hermit, living alone in the woods, never go anywhere or interact with another human being, and no one will bother you.

To go to concerts, restaurants, etc., as most of us like to do we have to comply with stuff like paying for tickets (or for our food), sitting in the theatre seat that our ticket tells us to sit, we have to observe certain social norms such as wearing clothes, not loudly raving and ranting, and so on. For some shows and movies, we have to be a certain age to be admitted.

I don't hear anybody saying, "That is wrong." Only the vaccine which may be keeping you alive is mentioned in that way.
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I don’t think that and being forced to have a vaccine for a virus with a greater than 99% recovery rate is the same thing at all.
Being forced to get medicated with a rushed vaccine for which none of us have any idea of long term side effects in order to have a life is completely wrong.
Vaccination has not stopped Covid.It has to die out on it’s own as Spanish flu did-with no vaccination.
i can’t help thinking ,having studied Pandemics ,that the measures we have taken with this one are prolonging it.
I chose to get vaccinated for reasons explained earlier.And will get my booster for the same reason.
But it is a slippery slope that for some reason folk don’t seem to have a problem with.
If anyone is happy to have their daily life controlled by the government then rejoice.Because every time the vast majority comply it will lead to further intrusion.
 
Furryanimal said:
I don’t think that and being forced to have a vaccine for a virus with a greater than 99% recovery rate is the same thing at all.
Being forced to get medicated with a rushed vaccine for which none of us have any idea of long term side effects in order to have a life is completely wrong.
Vaccination has not stopped Covid.It has to die out on it’s own as Spanish flu did-with no vaccination.
i can’t help thinking ,having studied Pandemics ,that the measures we have taken with this one are prolonging it.
I chose to get vaccinated for reasons explained earlier.And will get my booster for the same reason.
But it is a slippery slope that for some reason folk don’t seem to have a problem with.
If anyone is happy to have their daily life controlled by the government then rejoice.Because every time the vast majority comply it will lead to further intrusion.
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Furry, many are seeing this now and are not happy to have so much government intrusion dictating their lives. It's true, compliance is the problem not the solution. Compliance will just result in more mandates to be complied with.
 
Bretrick said:
How would that be policed?
Random stops by police to check status?
Totally wrong in my opinion.
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In Spain this is exactly what happened during the height of the Pandemic. People were only permitted to leave their home between certain hours on certain days to shop at their nearest supermarket , nearest pharmacy or to go to the doctor or hospital with an appointment letter.

other than that they could take a walk ( for example to walk a dog)..but only in their own street ...

Prior to leaving the house they had to print out a permit ... and the Guardia Civil were stationed everywhere on street corners, and stopped people regularly to check that their status permit allowed them to be in the area they were in.. if not there was a huge fine meted out to them .

My daughter who ran a business which required her to drive between Malaga and Gibraltar several times a week, had to use her ingenuity to try and get shopping from a large supermarket ( there was one tiny shop in her mountain village which had little stock) and fit a Doctors appointment into her journey which would have otherwise been out of her immediate permitted area..
 
hollydolly said:
In Spain this is exactly what happened during the height of the Pandemic. People were only permitted to leave their home between certain hours on certain days to shop at their nearest supermarket , nearest pharmacy or to go to the doctor or hospital with an appointment letter.

other than that they could take a walk ( for example to walk a dog)..but only in their own street ...

Prior to leaving the house they had to print out a permit ... and the Guardia Civil were stationed everywhere on street corners, and stopped people regularly to check that their status permit allowed them to be in the area they were in.. if not there was a huge fine meted out to them .

My daughter who ran a business which required her to drive between Malaga and Gibraltar several times a week, had to use her ingenuity to try and get shopping from a large supermarket ( there was one tiny shop in her mountain village which had little stock) and fit a Doctors appointment into her journey which would have otherwise been out of her immediate permitted area..
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What about those who never had printers?
 
Bretrick said:
What about those who never had printers?
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This is what happened to many... they had to get family or friends to print permits for them or if they had an internet cafe in their area they could use that, but believe me when I tell you this was extremely strict , and many of police are already extremely corrupt in Spain, so your fine could be anything they decided .. and people had no redress.
 
Shero said:
Germany also under lock down, kids from age 12 onwards and adults . No entry for anyone to public places except supermarket and pharmacy under strict supervision!
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Are people sending their toddlers to the store for them, then, and hoping for the best? Is it now up to kindergartners to carry the protest signs? I can't imagine how that's going to work....although, kindergartners are pretty good at throwing rocks.
 
Murrmurr said:
Are people sending their toddlers to the store for them, then, and hoping for the best? Is it now up to kindergartners to carry the protest signs? I can't imagine how that's going to work....although, kindergartners are pretty good at throwing rocks.
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Easy question. Masked and limited entry into the store. Same as was done during the previous lockdowns all over the world.
 
Furryanimal said:
Vaccination has not stopped Covid.It has to die out on it’s own as Spanish flu did-with no vaccination.
i can’t help thinking ,having studied Pandemics ,that the measures we have taken with this one are prolonging it.
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My mother in law's father died from the Spanish flu, leaving his wife a widow and his five children fatherless, without a bread winner. They became homeless and the children were separated for some time. Spanish flu also affected their access to a good education. The family survived and came back together again but if only there had been a vaccine back then...
 
FIJI introduced a "no jab, no job" policy in August, with unvaccinated public servants forced to go on leave and subsequently dismissed if still unvaccinated by November. Employees at private firms could also face fines and companies could be forced to stop operations over vaccine refusals.
 
Warrigal said:
My mother in law's father died from the Spanish flu, leaving his wife a widow and his five children fatherless, without a bread winner. They became homeless and the children were separated for some time. Spanish flu also affected their access to a good education. The family survived and came back together again but if only there had been a vaccine back then...
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Yes, if only there was a flu shot back then........
And , if only it worked better than the current flu shot........ 😂
 
Shero said:
Germany also under lock down, kids from age 12 onwards and adults . No entry for anyone to public places except supermarket and pharmacy under strict supervision!
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And you’re perfectly fine with this? Scary that you’re happy to see civil liberties flushed down the toilet. If lockdowns worked, why is this pandemic still raging? The mortality rate is less than a percent. That’s a risk I’m willing to take.
 
It appears that several nations are reinstituting lockdowns and mandates. Many of those nations....Europe and the Far East...have much denser populations than most parts of the U.S., so their increased cautions are probably understandable. I won't be surprised if s.ome of our larger cities follow suit with Winter and the holidays approaching...which will cause more people to congregate indoors, and drive the U.S. numbers substantially higher in coming weeks and months.
 
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CarolfromTX said:
And you’re perfectly fine with this? Scary that you’re happy to see civil liberties flushed down the toilet. If lockdowns worked, why is this pandemic still raging? The mortality rate is less than a percent. That’s a risk I’m willing to take.
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Substitute smoking for covid vaccinations. Can't go into most restaurants and smoke, is that a civil liberty flushed down the toilet?
You can smoke all you want but can't expose others to the smoke. Same as unvaccinated, you can incur the risk but lockdown limit you exposing others.
 

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