I don't know all the details on this story, but this baker has a business serving the public, and I think refusing to make a cake for this couple is ridiculous...http://www.advocate.com/politics/ma...er-who-refused-gay-wedding-cake-appears-court
Baker Refuses to Make Wedding Cake for Gay Couple
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SifuPhil
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I think the baker did himself in when he made the cake for the dog wedding - I don't know of any church that sanctions those.
But I also wonder why the couples simply didn't move on to the next bakery on the list, instead of literally making a Federal case out of it.
But I also wonder why the couples simply didn't move on to the next bakery on the list, instead of literally making a Federal case out of it.
babyboomer
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The baker is a bad businessman. Pink dollar has the same value as the green dollar.
A cake is a cake, a dollar profit, is a dollar profit!
A cake is a cake, a dollar profit, is a dollar profit!
RedRibbons
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That is so messed up!
rkunsaw
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Bakers have rights too. I admire someone who puts his morals above the almighty dollar.
Rainee
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I would have thought the baker would have made a wedding cake for who ever wanted one made..
unless he knew who was getting the cake made any one could have got the cake .. like you go into buy
a cake you don`t tell the baker who its for you just buy a cake.. lol but business is business and if he feels strongly
about it well its his choice.. my stepfather was a floor sander and he wouldn`t do any jobs for a certain countryman
because they killed his family in the war .. but that was his choice too.. I guess how you feel has a lot to do with your work..
unless he knew who was getting the cake made any one could have got the cake .. like you go into buy
a cake you don`t tell the baker who its for you just buy a cake.. lol but business is business and if he feels strongly
about it well its his choice.. my stepfather was a floor sander and he wouldn`t do any jobs for a certain countryman
because they killed his family in the war .. but that was his choice too.. I guess how you feel has a lot to do with your work..
JustBonee
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I think some people do what they do for the sole purpose of making headlines. He could have quietly said No, I'm too busy and that would have been the end of it ..
Like I said, I don't know all the details of the story, but if there was a bakery in my area that was good (and they're few and far between), and I had planned and my heart set on having a delicious cake from them for my wedding, then I'd be ticked off too. They may have just wanted to make headlines, but I'm doubting that.
Just as easily as you can say the gays are making a big production out of it, how about the baker? He didn't have to give them their vows, he didn't have to join them on their honeymoon, and he didn't have to jump on the opportunity to judge them and use his power to deny them service. These religious zealots are go way over the line too. They don't have to condone gay marriage, birth control, etc...but come, we're talking a cake from a baker here.
Just as easily as you can say the gays are making a big production out of it, how about the baker? He didn't have to give them their vows, he didn't have to join them on their honeymoon, and he didn't have to jump on the opportunity to judge them and use his power to deny them service. These religious zealots are go way over the line too. They don't have to condone gay marriage, birth control, etc...but come, we're talking a cake from a baker here.
SifuPhil
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I agree - BOTH parties are being silly, and if it ended there it would just be an amusing anecdote.
But it isn't ending there - both sides are now going to be spending large amounts of time, energy and money (part of it the taxpayers') to "prove" that they're right. Of course, they can't prove it in a moral or ethical sense - only in a legal one, and only as far as one set of judges / jurists can see.
Had both parties been more sensible, either the baker would have baked the cake, the gay couple gone on to the next baker or they could have played "rock, paper, scissors". But no - the religious zealot has too much pride and faith, the gay couple is hunting for a reason to be offended and the only positive thing that will come of this is that a few more newspapers will be sold and a few more viewers gained for a few more television rating points.
Actually this is below my notice - don't know why I'm even commenting on it.
But it isn't ending there - both sides are now going to be spending large amounts of time, energy and money (part of it the taxpayers') to "prove" that they're right. Of course, they can't prove it in a moral or ethical sense - only in a legal one, and only as far as one set of judges / jurists can see.
Had both parties been more sensible, either the baker would have baked the cake, the gay couple gone on to the next baker or they could have played "rock, paper, scissors". But no - the religious zealot has too much pride and faith, the gay couple is hunting for a reason to be offended and the only positive thing that will come of this is that a few more newspapers will be sold and a few more viewers gained for a few more television rating points.
Actually this is below my notice - don't know why I'm even commenting on it.
Jackie22
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The judge ruled in favor of the gay couple.....
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/06/21795833-judge-orders-colorado-baker-to-serve-gay-couples?lite
babyboomer is correct, you cannot discriminate if you're in business, I don't think I'd eat the cake though...lol
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/06/21795833-judge-orders-colorado-baker-to-serve-gay-couples?lite
babyboomer is correct, you cannot discriminate if you're in business, I don't think I'd eat the cake though...lol
SifuPhil
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Yeah, you don't know what "extra ingredients" he might put in it.
Colorado has a strange set of laws - same-sex marriages are banned but civil unions are allowed - go figure THAT one out.
The ACLU lawyer claims they aren't making the baker change his religious beliefs by forcing him to serve gay couples - I don't see how that can be ... they are basically demanding that he go against his faith or go out of business.
Davey Jones
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Problem with gays is they STILL insist we accept their way of life by shoving everything about them down our throats.
Fern
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Yere, pity they wouldn't get over themselves.It's too bad when you can't choose who you will do business with,afterall it's your money that set the business up, you have the headaches that come with being self employed.
Throw all the self serving PC idiots into the tide.
Throw all the self serving PC idiots into the tide.
babyboomer
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If he was a business oriented baker he would make a cake in colours of a rainbow.
Incidentally, ACT (Canberra) has recognised "guy marriages" but it clashes with the Federal law.
I'm thinking of opening a cake shop, with Pink Pie on the Menu!:lofl:
Incidentally, ACT (Canberra) has recognised "guy marriages" but it clashes with the Federal law.
I'm thinking of opening a cake shop, with Pink Pie on the Menu!:lofl:
GDAD
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I wonder if the baker asks every customer whether they are gay before he sells them any of his products?..
Where in the bible does it say"THOUGH SHALL NOT MAKE CAKES FOR GAYS"!
Bloody hell Jesus used to frequent with Prostitutes.
Where in the bible does it say"THOUGH SHALL NOT MAKE CAKES FOR GAYS"!
Bloody hell Jesus used to frequent with Prostitutes.
SifuPhil
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Prostitutes, beggars and thieves ...
He hung out in Greenwich Village, man!
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, nor make them yummy triple-tiered cakes - it is an abomination.
Davey Jones
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So what we're talking about here if I as a house painter dont want to paint a gays couples house,I can be sued?
Like I said gays have the right to live their lives as they wish but when they start forcing their way of life on me then I will start not giving a damn about them.
Like I said gays have the right to live their lives as they wish but when they start forcing their way of life on me then I will start not giving a damn about them.
That Guy
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SifuPhil
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Given a good-enough attorney, if you refused to paint my house because it was actually a fiber-board shack, I could probably sue you on the grounds that I'm a Taoist and you don't like Taoists ...
God Bless Amerika.
Davey Jones
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Coud I pay you to burn that fiber-board shack down,Ill bring the marshmellows.
SifuPhil
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Today court confirms discrimination against the baker. :applause2:
Masterpiece Cakeshop Violated Civil Rights Law by Turning Away Gay Couple, Court Rules
8/13/2015
DENVER – In a unanimous decision issued this morning, the Colorado Court of Appeals ruled that a Lakewood Bakery unlawfully discriminated against David Mullins and Charlie Craig by refusing to sell them a cake for their wedding reception.
The ruling affirms a finding in May 2014 from the Colorado Civil Rights Commission that Masterpiece Cakeshop’s policy of turning away same-sex couples violates Colorado’s Anti-Discrimination Act.
“Today is a proud day for equality and for upholding the law. In America, no one should be turned away from a shop or restaurant because of who they are or who they love,” said Ria Mar, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s LGBT Project, who argued the case.
“When every lesbian or gay person, every woman, every person of color, every person of every faith can walk into a store, a bank, a hospital, and know that they will get the same service as everyone else, we will have won. Until then, we continue to fight for the equal treatment we all deserve. Today we can celebrate this big win.”
In 2012, Colorado residents David Mullins and Charlie Craig, along with Charlie’s mother Deborah Munn, visited Masterpiece Cakeshop to order a wedding cake. Mullins and Craig planned to marry in Massachusetts and then celebrate with family and friends back home. Masterpiece owner Jack Phillips informed the couple that, because of his religious beliefs, it was his standard business practice to refuse to provide cakes to customers for same-sex weddings. Phillips has turned away several other couples for the same reason.
Colorado’s Anti-Discrimination Act prohibits businesses, such as Masterpiece Cakeshop, from refusing service based on factors including race, sex, national origin, or sexual orientation. The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Colorado filed suit on behalf of Mullins and Craig in 2013.
In December 2013, an administrative judge ruled that the bakery had illegally discriminated against the couple. In 2014, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission affirmed that ruling. Masterpiece Cakeshop appealed.
According to the opinion, “Masterpiece remains free to continue espousing its religious beliefs, including its opposition to same-sex marriage. However, if it wishes to operate as a public accommodation and conduct business within the State of Colorado, CADA prohibits it from picking and choosing its customers based on their sexual orientation.”
When businesses and other institutions that serve the public have sought exemptions to laws barring discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, the courts have held that businesses are required to comply with anti–discrimination laws. The courts have ruled without regard to whether LGBT people could have obtained the goods or service elsewhere. Instead the courts have recognized the harm to equal opportunity if lesbian and gay people can be turned away from businesses otherwise open to the public because of who they are.
For more information about Charlie Craig and David Mullins v. Masterpiece Cakeshop:https://www.aclu.org/cases/charlie-craig-and-david-mullins-v-masterpiece-cakeshop?redirect=lgbt-rights/charlie-craig-and-david-mullins-v-masterpiece-cakeshop
Masterpiece Cakeshop Violated Civil Rights Law by Turning Away Gay Couple, Court Rules
8/13/2015
DENVER – In a unanimous decision issued this morning, the Colorado Court of Appeals ruled that a Lakewood Bakery unlawfully discriminated against David Mullins and Charlie Craig by refusing to sell them a cake for their wedding reception.
The ruling affirms a finding in May 2014 from the Colorado Civil Rights Commission that Masterpiece Cakeshop’s policy of turning away same-sex couples violates Colorado’s Anti-Discrimination Act.
“Today is a proud day for equality and for upholding the law. In America, no one should be turned away from a shop or restaurant because of who they are or who they love,” said Ria Mar, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s LGBT Project, who argued the case.
“When every lesbian or gay person, every woman, every person of color, every person of every faith can walk into a store, a bank, a hospital, and know that they will get the same service as everyone else, we will have won. Until then, we continue to fight for the equal treatment we all deserve. Today we can celebrate this big win.”
In 2012, Colorado residents David Mullins and Charlie Craig, along with Charlie’s mother Deborah Munn, visited Masterpiece Cakeshop to order a wedding cake. Mullins and Craig planned to marry in Massachusetts and then celebrate with family and friends back home. Masterpiece owner Jack Phillips informed the couple that, because of his religious beliefs, it was his standard business practice to refuse to provide cakes to customers for same-sex weddings. Phillips has turned away several other couples for the same reason.
Colorado’s Anti-Discrimination Act prohibits businesses, such as Masterpiece Cakeshop, from refusing service based on factors including race, sex, national origin, or sexual orientation. The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Colorado filed suit on behalf of Mullins and Craig in 2013.
In December 2013, an administrative judge ruled that the bakery had illegally discriminated against the couple. In 2014, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission affirmed that ruling. Masterpiece Cakeshop appealed.
According to the opinion, “Masterpiece remains free to continue espousing its religious beliefs, including its opposition to same-sex marriage. However, if it wishes to operate as a public accommodation and conduct business within the State of Colorado, CADA prohibits it from picking and choosing its customers based on their sexual orientation.”
When businesses and other institutions that serve the public have sought exemptions to laws barring discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, the courts have held that businesses are required to comply with anti–discrimination laws. The courts have ruled without regard to whether LGBT people could have obtained the goods or service elsewhere. Instead the courts have recognized the harm to equal opportunity if lesbian and gay people can be turned away from businesses otherwise open to the public because of who they are.
For more information about Charlie Craig and David Mullins v. Masterpiece Cakeshop:https://www.aclu.org/cases/charlie-craig-and-david-mullins-v-masterpiece-cakeshop?redirect=lgbt-rights/charlie-craig-and-david-mullins-v-masterpiece-cakeshop
oakapple
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This seems to be happening in lots of countries recently, and I wonder the same Phil.
True story!
It's weird, there are some that claim to be Christians, and to love Jesus, but it's glaringly clear that they don't love what Jesus said, taught and ultimately died on the cross for.
Shalimar
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So pleased at the ruling.