Baseball history will be changed forever today.

Paco Dennis

Paco Dennis

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  • How? Major League Baseball plans to officially incorporate stats from the ***** Leagues, in operation from 1920 to 1948 when baseball was segregated, into its record book.
  • What it means: Homestead Grays star Josh Gibson will be at the top of several lists, including slugging percentage (.718) — beating the record Babe Ruth held for nearly a century.
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I'm still trying to digest this all and see what comes out of it. When I was a kid, I knew all of the major stats and all of the league leaders for every year and all of that. I had a copy of the Baseball Encyclopedia and wore it out. But as someone who still recognizes Hank Aaron (Instead of Bonds) as the all time leader in home runs, I don't take them as seriously anymore. I do hope it does helps the younger fans appreciate the great players who were not allowed to play in MLB. I have a feeling that the all time stats would look a lot different today if MLB had allowed everyone to play prior to 1947.
 
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The two leagues were different in many aspects, but I have my own feelings as to why they are doing this and it isn't all in the name of equality and fairness, but in diversion, equity and inclusion. In other words, this is another political stunt.
 
There should be no doubt that the old ***** League had some outstanding ballplayers. My dad used to talk about certain black players quite often. My dad mentioned players like Josh Gibson and Oscar Charleston. He thought Charleston was the best all around player.
 
I do not like it when we people mess with my favorite sport. Babe Ruth will always be the most revered player in baseball history for me. The Cleveland Indians, will always be the Cleveland Indians. Not the Cleveland Guardians!
 
Paladin1950 said:
I do not like it when we people mess with my favorite sport. Babe Ruth will always be the most revered player in baseball history for me. The Cleveland Indians, will always be the Cleveland Indians. Not the Cleveland Guardians!
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I agree with you and feel the same way, but my grandkids will always remember the Cleveland Guardians the same way that some of us recall the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers.
 
One thing I love about baseball is the stats. Only in baseball can you hear things like, " This is the second time since 1957, when a left handed batter hit a home run in the 13th inning, and whose mother was born in a leap year, and has two sisters, each with 9 letters in their name, and the sun was 84.3 degrees in the sky, with a humidity of 67%."
 
fuzzybuddy said:
One thing I love about baseball is the stats. Only in baseball can you hear things like, " This is the second time since 1957, when a left handed batter hit a home run in the 13th inning, and whose mother was born in a leap year, and has two sisters, each with 9 letters in their name, and the sun was 84.3 degrees in the sky, with a humidity of 67%."
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Most of those stats were made when pitchers were tired.
Modern Baseball created the Bull Pen of relief pitchers.
 
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The old ***** League played between 60-80 games per season and this is why their stats don't show up like pitching wins/losses and home runs. If MLB continues to include the ***** League stats with the old AL and NL stats, that would be totally unfair to all of the players of both colors.

I remember watching an old video of a ***** League game between a team from Baltimore and Chicago. It was a different 'style' of baseball. There was a lot more base running (stealing) and the pitching wasn't as good as the white leagues had. Satchell Paige was definitely a competitor in MLB. He had several wins in the ***** League and added to that number when he pitched for Cleveland. Paige probably has numbers that no one else can come close to overall. I think I remember reading that Paige had over 2000 wins between the two leagues.
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Baseball died for me the day the Dodgers left Brooklyn. :(
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"I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it"
-Marlon Brando- From the movie "On The Waterfront." One of my favorite movies.

Anyway, the question is why did the Dodgers leave Brooklyn? Because their attendance fell off and the the old park in Ebbets Field was out of date. When O'Malley decided to leave Brooklyn, he talked the then owner (Horace Stoneham) to move his Giants to
San Francisco. Stoneham was going to move anyway, but he wanted to move to Minnesota. O'Malley talked him into moving to San Francisco so they could keep up the rivalry between the two teams.
 
Baseball...I loved playing it as I grew up and in high school. I played fast pitch softball after high school in college and when I later had a full time job.

Now I seldom watch it or go and see games. I just loved to play the game! To old now...
 
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The old ***** League played between 60-80 games per season and this is why their stats don't show up like pitching wins/losses and home runs. If MLB continues to include the ***** League stats with the old AL and NL stats, that would be totally unfair to all of the players of both colors.
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Does the site automatically censor the word egro-nay (Pig Latin). I don't understand that. Is the word aucasion-cay also banned?...😄
 
Trade said:
Overpaid prima donnas jacked up on steroids. And designated hitters and designated runners? What a sacrilidge.
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It's also unusual to see a starting pitcher left in the game for more than 4-5 innings. Maybe it's to prevent injuries, but it didn't seem to bother that many pitchers in the old days. Imagine taking Nolan Ryan or Drysdale out after 4-5 innings!!
 
Pitchers are generally left in until they reach 100 pitches. However, if a starter isn't having a great game by the time he reaches the 4th or 5th inning, he's usually replaced. In some instances, it could be even an earlier inning in the event that the manager or pitching coach notices a difference in how the starter is throwing. Often it is due to an injury or illness.
 
ChiroDoc said:
Does the site automatically censor the word egro-nay (Pig Latin). I don't understand that. Is the word aucasion-cay also banned?...😄
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I've been wondering the same thing. It's not a disrespectful or vulgar word, the text books were full of it when I grew up and to call someone a color rather than their official race name was terrible.

I'm so ready to give up all such labels. I'm tired of all the "firsts" that go with it, too. I can picture some news anchor getting excited because Della is the first Scotch-Irish-German-Cherokee mayor of Groundhog Holler in West Virginia.

We may have a really big "first" coming up and if so, I would love that to be the last one.
 

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