Ben and Jerrys call for returning stolen land to Native Americans

Naturally said:
As perhaps mentioned, an indigenous Native American chief in Vermont said he would be open to talking with ice cream maker Ben & Jerry's about taking back the land under its headquarters.

Don Stevens, chief of the Nulhegan Band of The Coosuk Abenaki Nation, told the New York Post that he "looks forward to any kind of correspondence with the brand to see how they can better benefit indigenous people," noting that the company's South Burlington, Vermont, headquarters is on Western Abenaki land.

I suggest that going back a little further, you'll find the Abenaki tribe also took the land from another earlier tribe, and so on and so on. In fact, I think this calls for a title search HA.

The American natives were very violent towards each other. Whichever tribe was on a piece of land when white Europeans displaced them were far from the original occupants. There's evidence of at least one much earlier migration to the continent. We can assume the ancestors of the current natives stole their land and possibly exterminated them.

The pyramid-like temple structure found in the valley that is now occupied by Norris lake in NE TN, is one example. When it was discovered in 1930, the Cherokee explained that a tribe of mound builders were there originally, but they killed and drove them out.

Unless you take a very narrow view of the history of mankind (like some Abrahamic religions that believe the world is only 6000 years old) or if you live in a very remote, desolate, virtually uninhabitable area, you are most likely living on land that was taken by several peoples for thousands of years.

What I'm saying is, unless you are descended from some indigenous tribe of Pacific islander and live there, the chances that you are living on "stolen" land is extremely high ... virtually anywhere in the world.

American history is actually taught exactly the way it happened (mostly). We expose our scars and our truth in classrooms the way other nations never do. Other nations range from white-washing the past to outright denial of their true history. So American kids grow up with self-hate and guilt that children of other nations don't have. Not because their ancestors didn't do the same or worse ... but because their education failed to mention it. So our kids grow up believing we are terrible colonizers and everyone else lives in some b.s. utopia that doesn't exist.

May the Mulvaney Effect swoop in on Ben & Jerry's like a murderous miasma or a putrid phlogiston. And I hope the B&J parent company, Unilever, is pooping angry kittens right now.

Favorite brand of Ice Cream? ... Tillamook Ice Cream for the win !!! :cool:
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The fact that native peoples were always fighting with and stealing from one another is a fact Hollywood wants to keep buried which is perhaps why so few know very much about it.
 

Today, some Americans bemoan the onslaught of waves of "illegal aliens", who don't speak the language, have strange customs and foods, which devalue local customs, and illegals take jobs away from locals. I'm quite sure there are some Native Americans, who think, "Now, you know how I feel." Humans have two feet, and they frequently use them to find greener pastures, which infuriates the locals. Once a bullet leaves the barrel of a gun, you can't undo the harm it causes. The same is true about human migration. I doubt there's a parcel of land that hasn't been fought over. The winners may not have fought morally legally or ethically, but you can't undo the past.
 
The best thing Ben & Jerry's could do is reduce their prices to an affordable level.
 

After admitting I had never tried Ben and Jerry's Cookies and Cream, I decided I needed to continue my survey of brands, so I went to the Ben And Jerry's section yesterday, and found all kinds of flavors, about half of which I had never heard of, but no Cookies and Cream. What?? No Cookies and Cream? Too ordinary?
 
From their Job Ad ...
Ben & Jerry’s 3-Part Mission:

Social mission: We initiate innovative ways to improve the quality of life locally, nationally, and internationally specifically on Climate Justice, Social Justice, Racial Justice, and Economic Justice
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Apparently their target employee is some bark-crunching, man-bun wearing, soy-boy, pronoun identifying person to fill that spot. Too much "xxxx"- justice for me to support their business model and there are better choices in the market place. Guess that's a sure way of preventing a US Flag loving, Patriotic, Conservative AMERICAN from applying though. I'm not looking for someone's definition of "justice" when I buy ice cream or any other consumable product. The focus should be solely on the product and nothing else ... left or right.
 
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Virtue signaling usually doesn't play out all that well in the end. We can't put this back in the box. People from all over the world are here.

I've actually sat in my car and wondered what the land was like before white people showed up. I wish we took better care of things. And the people who were here first.
 
Naturally said:
As perhaps mentioned, an indigenous Native American chief in Vermont said he would be open to talking with ice cream maker Ben & Jerry's about taking back the land under its headquarters.

Don Stevens, chief of the Nulhegan Band of The Coosuk Abenaki Nation, told the New York Post that he "looks forward to any kind of correspondence with the brand to see how they can better benefit indigenous people," noting that the company's South Burlington, Vermont, headquarters is on Western Abenaki land.

I suggest that going back a little further, you'll find the Abenaki tribe also took the land from another earlier tribe, and so on and so on. In fact, I think this calls for a title search HA.

The American natives were very violent towards each other. Whichever tribe was on a piece of land when white Europeans displaced them were far from the original occupants. There's evidence of at least one much earlier migration to the continent. We can assume the ancestors of the current natives stole their land and possibly exterminated them.

The pyramid-like temple structure found in the valley that is now occupied by Norris lake in NE TN, is one example. When it was discovered in 1930, the Cherokee explained that a tribe of mound builders were there originally, but they killed and drove them out.

Unless you take a very narrow view of the history of mankind (like some Abrahamic religions that believe the world is only 6000 years old) or if you live in a very remote, desolate, virtually uninhabitable area, you are most likely living on land that was taken by several peoples for thousands of years.

What I'm saying is, unless you are descended from some indigenous tribe of Pacific islander and live there, the chances that you are living on "stolen" land is extremely high ... virtually anywhere in the world.

American history is actually taught exactly the way it happened (mostly). We expose our scars and our truth in classrooms the way other nations never do. Other nations range from white-washing the past to outright denial of their true history. So American kids grow up with self-hate and guilt that children of other nations don't have. Not because their ancestors didn't do the same or worse ... but because their education failed to mention it. So our kids grow up believing we are terrible colonizers and everyone else lives in some b.s. utopia that doesn't exist.

Favorite brand of Ice Cream? ... Tillamook Ice Cream for the win !!! :cool:
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@Naturally, you're right. In my area, it's known that there used to be 30 to 40 Indian communities, and it's estimated that there were between 10,000 and 12,000 Indians. The exact date of their arrival is unknown, but their references to the white man can be traced to the fifteenth century, and they probably inhabited the area long before the earliest European explorations.

Probably the greatest source of friction between the settlers and the Indians was their different concepts of land ownership. To the Indian, land was not a commodity to be possessed and passed from generation to generation. Land was a gift to be used for the sustenance of life. It was to be shared to satisfy the needs of others. The Europeans could not comprehend this approach to land tenure.

I'm being vague about the names of the tribes that lived here and exactly where they lived. If I told you, it would give away my location, and I don't want to do that. However, I can say that they were Atlantic Coast tribes.

I also like Tillamook ice cream! (y) 😊
 
Alligatorob said:
Not a big fan of any ice cream, but I have to admit the few times I tried it I really liked Ben and Jerry's.

The only ice cream I feel any loyalty to is the one you can buy at one of my alma maters, and only there, on campus, so far as I know. Made by the students.

Famous Aggie Ice Cream
https://www.usu.edu/aggieicecream/
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You’re not a fan of ice cream? 😱
What???
I can’t imagine that.
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Sippican said:
Funny, in the Wall Street Journal is a story about this.
A Native American Indian Chief from Vermont mentioned that Ben & Jerrys headquarters in Vermont is sitting on Indian land, and he asked that they give back the land under their headquarters in good faith.......no comment from Ben & Jerrys.
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Their motto is Do what I say, not as I do.
 
chic said:
IDK? Is it politics or ethics Seems more like ethics to me. :giggle:
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Ethics is what the individual does himself/herself. Politics is when they force their ideas on others. Just my opinion.

I fondly remember the Rock and Bullwinkle cartoons of the 1960’s. In one cartoon Rocky and Bullwinkle are encouraged to go out and face a deadly whale this is destroying the shipping business. When reminded that Rocky and Bullwinkle may not come back alive, the guy in charge says “No price is too high to pay to stop this whale. Especially if somebody else pays it.”
 

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