Bombs away in Syria! An Arab/American air strike shows the developing policy!

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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Well, bless my soul, even John McCain will find it hard to criticize this approach as the Arab nations get some skin in the game, but he probably will. And can Arab boots on the ground be coming next? Stay tuned as the Obama policy goes into full effect...
 

The ME has always been unstable to one degree or another so why break with tradition...
 

"... The Syrian government earlier on stressed that it is combating the insurgents in Syria, that it considers air strikes without Syrian authorization as a violation of Syria’s sovereignty, and that combating terrorism requires cooperation with Syria. ..." http://nsnbc.me/2014/09/23/u-s-led-coalition-killing-launched-air-strikes-syria/

I wonder how the US would feel if some other country started bombing parts of the US on the pretext of going after some bad guys. And without American permission! A little irritated perhaps? And why is the US not going after Saudi Arabia and Qatar terrorist investors who are apparently involved in funding ISIS? And the questions just keep on coming don't they?
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...hy-gulf-angel-investors-officials-say-n208006
This article talks about how ISIS is funded. It points to wealthy individuals in Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and says , [FONT=proxima_nova_rgregular]"The recipients of these funds are often terrorist groups, including al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate, al-Nusrah Front, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant [ISIS]." Take note of the name 'al-Nusrah'.

[/FONT]http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-is-loosing-its-covert-syria-war-us-sponsored-al-nusra-rebels-defeated-by-syrian-armed-forces/5334827
Now this link from Global Research says the following: "Recent reports from the ground suggest that America and its allies are losing their covert war in support of the Al Nusra front. In recent weeks, the US sponsored Al Qaeda affiliated rebels have been decimated by the Syrian Armed Forces." And this time, al Nusra is mentioned as being one of the groups the American administration is supporting.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-jordan-base/5387532
And this article talks about America training ISIS in Jordan as part of the plan to aid al Qaeda terrorists who were working to overthrow the Assad government. It also points to involvement of British and French military in those training operations. It goes on to say this: "The source told WND that at least one of the training camps of the group Iraq of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria, the ISIS, is in the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where American personnel and equipment are located."

Now maybe I'm being naive here, but if ISIS has a training camp in a NATO country (Turkey) AND it is near an air base where there is located American personnel and equipment, would the US not do well to bomb that training camp into oblivion? Just asking.
 
Ralphy1 said:
The ME has always been unstable to one degree or another so why break with tradition...
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So then it would seem that you have no problem with all the collateral (civilian) deaths and millions driven from their homes, that have come about as a result of American meddling in the ME and no problem with 'the land of the free and the home of the brave and 'the great democracy' intentionally destabilizing and seeking to replace other countries governments? 'No problemo' as long as it's over there?

Could this kind of attitude be why this headline appeared in International Business Times: In Gallup Poll, The Biggest Threat to World Peace Is....America?http://www.ibtimes.com/gallup-poll-biggest-threat-world-peace-america-1525008
 
The ME destabilized when Bush and Cheney lied to everyone and we invaded Iraq. This is the reason ISIS developed, as well as the fact that the Iraq government all but excluded Sunni Muslims. From my recollection, Obama got us out of Iraq.. So Obama is reacting to this new threat.. I say it's justified. Even looking at it from humanitarian purposes... should we just let ISIS run rampant beheading and raping and selling women off as slaves? If the US did nothing... what is your plan to control ISIS? Just curious.. I mean if YOU have another suggestion I'd like to hear it. Or perhaps just sitting around wringing our hands and worrying about terrorist attacks as the UK is doing would be better. Excluding Australia of course... who appears to be an ally we can count on.
 
Ralphy1 said:
Well, bless my soul, even John McCain will find it hard to criticize this approach as the Arab nations get some skin in the game, but he probably will. And can Arab boots on the ground be coming next? Stay tuned as the Obama policy goes into full effect...
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John McCain needs to get back on his meds. He's hearing voices again.
 
Just waiting for the Human Rights groups to start screaming "you're killing innocent people"!!!!!!!

Sad but I say "too bad" and suggest they get the hell out of the way.

Even if we had "boots on the ground" there are still going to get killed,damn if we do ,damn if we dont.
 
charlotta said:
I believe the Sunis and Shiites have had war going since the Fourth Century. Am I right?
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Yes but the Bush/Cheney Iraq war created a vacuum for a group like ISIS to form. Up until that time ole Sadam Husssein kept a pretty good thumb on this sort of thing. Now I know he was not a really good guy... and he murdered Kurds and all... however, Iraq was stable as Middle Eastern countries go. He kept it that way. When we assassinated him.. and got a new government which all but excluded the Sunnis.. ISIS was able to recruit ad lib.. and this is part of the reason the Iraq army laid down their guns.. they didn't want to fight Sunnis.. In fact many joined them. I'm hoping the new regime in Iraq is more inclusive of both Sunnis and Shiites, and that the brutality of ISIS has scared most away from joining or supporting them.
 
QuickSilver said:
The ME destabilized when Bush and Cheney lied to everyone and we invaded Iraq. This is the reason ISIS developed, as well as the fact that the Iraq government all but excluded Sunni Muslims. From my recollection, Obama got us out of Iraq.. So Obama is reacting to this new threat.. I say it's justified. Even looking at it from humanitarian purposes... should we just let ISIS run rampant beheading and raping and selling women off as slaves? If the US did nothing... what is your plan to control ISIS? Just curious.. I mean if YOU have another suggestion I'd like to hear it. Or perhaps just sitting around wringing our hands and worrying about terrorist attacks as the UK is doing would be better. Excluding Australia of course... who appears to be an ally we can count on.
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The Middle East has had problems for decades but in 1991, the US decided to officially, actively involve themselves in furthering the problems and that isn't right. ISIS developed because the US was in there causing problems and funnelling aid, weapons and money to terrorist groups (and even giving ISIS members training in Jordan and Turkey), indeed the very ones that are blamed for 9/11. Does that make any sense at all? I just gotta ask, how many here support that kind of manipulation and use of your tax payer dollars?

I'm not saying that it isn't necessary to stop those guys. Never said it. But at the same time the US (who are largely involved in the causation of these problems in the last 60 years) must also look at their friends in the region who have agenda's of their own and are allowing funding to go to ISIS. No mention of sanctions against the Saudi's, Qatar, Turkey, Kuwait!!!!! Nothing. And the US needs to quit funding terrorists (hard habit to break apparently and Osama Bin Laden comes to mind), quit manipulating governments (another hard habit to break) and deal with their buddies who think they can play both sides of the fence (i.e. we are friends with the US even while we fund/allow funding to get through to the terrorists who threaten the world/US). Why does none of that ring any bells? You want peace, you can't bomb your way to peace.
 
Davey Jones said:
Just waiting for the Human Rights groups to start screaming "you're killing innocent people"!!!!!!!

Sad but I say "too bad" and suggest they get the hell out of the way.

Even if we had "boots on the ground" there are still going to get killed,damn if we do ,damn if we dont.
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You're right, it will be the civilians who are going to pay for this in every way possible. Since the end of WWII, 201 out of 248 world conflicts have been started by the US. And 90% of the deaths in those wars have been civilians. Does that sound acceptable Dave? Spreading democracy and peace has a heavy price in human death doesn't it? But fortunately for America, those deaths are always somebody else's families in distant lands. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/90-deaths-war-civilians.html

Governments around the world are playing games with the lives of everyone. We look back at the Medieval times and we're amazed at the hand to hand bloodshed and kings raping and pillaging and stealing everything from the peasant class and leaving them to starve and freeze in the dark of winter, etc., and yet I would suggest that nothing has changed except the 'kings' are wearing power suits instead of velvet and lace and ermine and the weapons can kill more people at one time. Our attitudes have not changed, we are not evolving as a society.
 
QuickSilver said:
The ME destabilized when Bush and Cheney lied to everyone and we invaded Iraq. This is the reason ISIS developed, as well as the fact that the Iraq government all but excluded Sunni Muslims. From my recollection, Obama got us out of Iraq.. So Obama is reacting to this new threat.. I say it's justified. Even looking at it from humanitarian purposes... should we just let ISIS run rampant beheading and raping and selling women off as slaves? If the US did nothing... what is your plan to control ISIS? Just curious.. I mean if YOU have another suggestion I'd like to hear it. Or perhaps just sitting around wringing our hands and worrying about terrorist attacks as the UK is doing would be better. Excluding Australia of course... who appears to be an ally we can count on.
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Oh dear here we go again......... everyone is at fault but the good old USA? I think you will find that in the UK we have to recall Parliament to authorise the use of force in this situation................ but that should only take a couple of days............. now how long was it you guys took to get involved in WW2...two years?........people in glass houses...?

I've said before that arguing amongst ourselves in the West............is exactly what these low life want!
 
Yes... I understand the UK is meeting today to decide to help or not.. No big deal.. We have plenty of real allies with us this time. Obama has built a coalition of 40 nations... I understand Denmark has joined. No need for you to bother yourselves. It is Ironic though... the UK is the one who mucked up the middle east with their policies and boarder drawings after WWI.. There was no Iraq, Iran or Syria. The UK decided to make them countries while empire building.. and started up the tribal warfare. So.. No ones hands are clean in this..

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3424600600.html
 
Romfty, I was thinking of sending the PM, Quicksilvers message, I am sure he will be grateful.:bigwink:
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes... I understand the UK is meeting today to decide to help or not.. No big deal.. We have plenty of real allies with us this time. Obama has built a coalition of 40 nations... I understand Denmark has joined. No need for you to bother yourselves. It is Ironic though... the UK is the one who mucked up the middle east with their policies and boarder drawings after WWI.. There was no Iraq, Iran or Syria. The UK decided to make them countries while empire building.. and started up the tribal warfare. So.. No ones hands are clean in this..

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3424600600.html
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Who are these other nations? better yet just exactly what are they doing to help us fight this war? The Arabs throw in a few planes but
where are the power nations Germany,England,France ,etc?
 
I've said my piece on this and have no wish to fall out with other forum members, what will be, will be............ it will not be decided by us anyway, the folk we voted in have the shoulders to bear it now and we really should'nt look back, history is littered with mistakes and bad choices.............. I just don't want any more kids from the West shedding their blood for Arab nations who really don't give a toss about us westerners!.
 
Thanks for that link QuickSilver. It helps to put things into perspective.
Surely, with that level of active international opposition against ISIL the nations of the world should be able to neutralise them.
Let's hope so.
 

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