Botched Execution in Arizona...Why Can't They Get It Right?

SeaBreeze

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I can't believe that these people can't quickly and successfully execute a murderer when his time finally comes. Why does the vet do it so easily when you have an old sick dog that's suffering and needs to be euthanized?

And why is there so much concern for this murderer, just because it took longer for him to die than expected, he wasn't concerned at all for his two murder victims? http://thedailybanter.com/2014/07/w...e-botched-execution-murderers-deserve-suffer/
 

As long as they got the right guy than I can't get too concerned if he suffered for awhile. Also, I don't care to hear about that he couldn't help it due to his abused background or his genetic makeup...
 

How come the first and second amendments to the constitution are so much more sacrosanct that the eighth?

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Interpretation of this amendment seems to focus on how a death sentence is imposed, not how it is carried out.

For those who like to read long dry legal stuff: http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt8_user.html
 
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SeaBreeze said:
I can't believe that these people can't quickly and successfully execute a murderer when his time finally comes. Why does the vet do it so easily when you have an old sick dog that's suffering and needs to be euthanized?

And why is there so much concern for this murderer, just because it took longer for him to die than expected, he wasn't concerned at all for his two murder victims? http://thedailybanter.com/2014/07/w...e-botched-execution-murderers-deserve-suffer/
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I don't know the answers SB, but I do think of the victims more so. Who said "let the punishment fit the crime", can't remember? That's not always true seeing the horrible evil people can do to one another. As for cruel and unusual punishment, I'd have to look at the crimes again to decide. Although I think of a twisted, sick mind of a person that has no control (evidently) over things they inflict on others. It's just a hard call.

I think it is a good topic for sure. I'll bet we see all kinds of differing opinions on this one, hugs, denise
 
It was botched so it wasn't unconstitutional in the sense of purposely inflicting cruelty. How about a firing squad or hanging? Even a guillotine would be OK with me in this guy's case and might not be deemed cruel, but might be considered a little unusual today...
 
Ralphy1 said:
As long as they got the right guy than I can't get too concerned if he suffered for awhile. Also, I don't care to hear about that he couldn't help it due to his abused background or his genetic makeup...
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I agree Ralphy, too many people have more sympathy for the killer and make excuses to coddle him. Perhaps if they or their family were the victims, they would have a change of heart, maybe not. I think these feelings just encourage the next creep to murder, rape a child, etc. :2cents:
 
Very, good point Ralphy, it was botched so not on purpose (we hope since I am for following the law, even if I don't like it). I guess the executions changed along with the rest of technology. I think there were better, and probably cheaper ways to execute a murderer. I always wonder if they really did it too, but I guess it's all about evidence, and I can't think of that phrase where it's proven to where there isn't a doubt??
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree Ralphy, too many people have more sympathy for the killer and make excuses to coddle him. Perhaps if they or their family were the victims, they would have a change of heart, maybe not. I think these feelings just encourage the next creep to murder, rape a child, etc. :2cents:
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It sure seems to be more prevalent today SB, more sympathy for the "proven" killer. I think by people getting away with what they do get away with does encourage others that they can get away with it too. I know there are countries put down for they legal system being so harsh, remember the caning thing?? I can't help but think a person who stold something would probably not do it again if he got a finger wacked off for doing it. I know, but I do have some barbarian ancestory, I can't help it, it's genetic. Do you think a lawyer will get me off, by pleading that? Good chance:(
 
nwlady said:
It sure seems to be more prevalent today SB, more sympathy for the "proven" killer. I think by people getting away with what they do get away with does encourage others that they can get away with it too. I know there are countries put down for they legal system being so harsh, remember the caning thing?? I can't help but think a person who stold something would probably not do it again if he got a finger wacked off for doing it. I know, but I do have some barbarian ancestory, I can't help it, it's genetic. Do you think a lawyer will get me off, by pleading that? Good chance:(
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I know I'd think twice about stealing if it meant my arm being chopped off, lol! :p Let's not talk about the punishment a child rapist would get :playful:, but you know the number of sicko pedophiles who now even lure these kids online would be greatly diminished! :yes:
 
re:It sure seems to be more prevalent today .

There's a simple reason for that...its the news media and they love this stuff. Before any execution there is a small section on page 5 about it.
But if the anyone in the execution chamber as much as drop a used needle,the whole country will knows about it.
 
I agree SB, I know what you are saying. People will argue the "sick" mind, and what about rehabilitating of the offender. There's still a little kid that died a horrible, tortured death. I like to think there is justice done, even if it's not here on Earth.
 
Davey Jones said:
re:It sure seems to be more prevalent today .

There's a simple reason for that...its the news media and they love this stuff. Before any execution there is a small section on page 5 about it.
But if the anyone in the execution chamber as much as drop a used needle,the whole country will knows about it.
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oh so right, some news is total crap, and all about sensationalism. The more you can get the public riled up, the more papers you'll sell. Too many times, what is news-worthy is on the back pages, if it's reported at all.
 
Ralphy1 said:
It was botched so it wasn't unconstitutional in the sense of purposely inflicting cruelty. How about a firing squad or hanging? Even a guillotine would be OK with me in this guy's case and might not be deemed cruel, but might be considered a little unusual today...
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This was the point I was trying to make, but somewhat clumsily. When we did have the death penalty is was always by hanging for civilians and firing squad for the military. America, as I remember it, had the electric chair and hanging, and France had the guillotine. Death by lethal injection/infusion was probably seen as less cruel. Over time different combinations of drugs have been developed but perhaps a shorter, sharper method might be less problematic.

I've said it before, a person could be dispatched by giving heavy sedation before opening a vein (as in giving blood at the blood bank) and allowing death to occur as the result of exsanguination. This is how the ancient Romans committed suicide and in modern times people have done this in a warm bath. Death is inevitable and it doesn't take too long. Hard to botch by an executioner.

From what I read about the constitution, most of the commentary is about how the death penalty is arrived at, not so much about how it is delivered.
 

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