British Election

As you've probably guessed, they didn't get my vote.

I find them devoid of compassion and subservient to profit and wealth above all else.

Another five years? A grim day.
 

"Another referendum in Scotland in a couple of years? Or longer?"

Depends how much of the Smith recommendations are enacted, and, to a much greater extent I think, the results of the promised EU referendum.

If England votes to leave, taking Scotland with it, that would trigger a massive campaign for another Independence referendum as Scotland is, generally, in favour of the EU.
 
I don't understand how the Tories did so well. Merlin described the Tories as somewhat analogous to the US Republicans except that the social issues that fire up the Republican base are not a big issue in the UK. Here is the US if the Republicans didn't have the social conservatives they certainly couldn't win a national election and probably not many state elections. It's taken a long while but Americans have pretty much figured out that trickle down, tax cutting and austerity hasn't worked. From what I can gather, European austerity policies are the reason that Europe has not seen the recovery that we have enjoyed in the States.
 
I don't understand how the Tories did so well. Merlin described the Tories as somewhat analogous to the US Republicans except that the social issues that fire up the Republican base are not a big issue in the UK. Here is the US if the Republicans didn't have the social conservatives they certainly couldn't win a national election and probably not many state elections. It's taken a long while but Americans have pretty much figured out that trickle down, tax cutting and austerity hasn't worked. From what I can gather, European austerity policies are the reason that Europe has not seen the recovery that we have enjoyed in the States.

I've heard that the Tories did well because the English were terrified of a Labour/SNP 'coalition'. They hate the idea of the Scots telling them what to do. They already resent Scotland as they think Scotland gets too big a share of the national budget in comparison to the population. Scotland has 10% the population of England.
 
"Another referendum in Scotland in a couple of years? Or longer?"

Depends how much of the Smith recommendations are enacted, and, to a much greater extent I think, the results of the promised EU referendum.

If England votes to leave, taking Scotland with it, that would trigger a massive campaign for another Independence referendum as Scotland is, generally, in favour of the EU.

Exactly! Even my stepdaughter who was dead set against independence and voted no has now voted SNP and will vote yes for independence next time.

I don't understand wanting to leave the EU. As far as I can tell the positive outweighs the negative.
 
I don't understand how the Tories did so well. Merlin described the Tories as somewhat analogous to the US Republicans except that the social issues that fire up the Republican base are not a big issue in the UK. Here is the US if the Republicans didn't have the social conservatives they certainly couldn't win a national election and probably not many state elections. It's taken a long while but Americans have pretty much figured out that trickle down, tax cutting and austerity hasn't worked. From what I can gather, European austerity policies are the reason that Europe has not seen the recovery that we have enjoyed in the States.

Several reasons Josiah, mainly the fact that Scotland previously a Labour stronghold switched to the SNP, the Labour leader Miliband having no charisma and their whole campaign being mis-managed. The Tory party had a much more persuasive campaign, based on fear of the SNP controlling a coalition with Labour, which won the day, though in the end they only have a slim majority.

The outcome of the 2015 election looks like a dramatic win for the Tories. Polls had shown Cameron’s party neck-and-neck with Ed Miliband’s Labour Party throughout the campaign, and everybody seemed sure the result would be a hung parliament. Instead, the cock-a-hoop Conservatives have ended up with a slight overall majority, boasting that they are the first incumbent party to increase its number of seats since Margaret Thatcher’s Tory government did so in 1983.Yet what does the Tory victory amount to? The party has increased its share of the vote since 2010 by just over half of one per cent – from an unspectacular 36.05 per cent to 36.7 per cent. Some polls had the Tories on that sort of mark during the campaign, while the ‘poll of polls’ tended to have them hovering around an average of 34 per cent. That extra couple of points hardly looks like any dramatic ‘late breakthrough’.

It might be useful to step back from the intense focus on the immediate results and put things in a bit of historical perspective. Last time the Tories won a parliamentary majority, way back in 1992, John Major got 41.93 per cent of the vote. Go back further to when UK politics was a two-party system and the contrast is even starker. When the Tories lost to a Labour landslide in the famous postwar election of 1945, Winston Churchill’s Conservatives still won 40.26 per cent of the votes cast. Five years later, when Labour won a tiny majority, the losing Tories received 43.44 per cent of the vote – the sort of support that the ‘triumphant’ Cameron, aka Mr 36.7 per cent, can only dream of.
 
"I don't understand how the Tories did so well."

The reasons the Tories did so well was leadership. Not their's which was pretty dire, but the Labour party's, which was abysmal.

Cameron didn't win the election, Milliband lost it.
 
"I don't understand how the Tories did so well."

The reasons the Tories did so well was leadership. Not their's which was pretty dire, but the Labour party's, which was abysmal.

Cameron didn't win the election, Milliband lost it.

I agree as well. I've been very disappointed in Labour lately. As a member of the Labour party I voted for Miliband as leader back in 2010. I am also angry at how the former leader of the Labour Party in Scotland - Joann Lamont - was treated by Labour in Westminster and had to quit.
 
"I think the average Brit sees the EU as taking over our sovereignty and being responsible for mass immigration. "

Exactly Merlin. It seems ironic that this weekend we're celebrating VE day, while the EU is trying to dominate us and rob us of our independance.
As for Scottish independance, there are two questions here......
Do I want independance?... possibly 'Yes'
Do I want the type of country that the SNP are proposing? - definitely 'NO'!
 
I never get involved in political discussions online Josiah, but of course there is far more to it than you will read on here.The Conservatives( Tories) have got in with a majority, which means they no longer have to be in coalition with the LIberal Democrats.No one party has a monopoly on compassion, all have social care programmes.The Scottish Nationalist Party has taken most of the seats in Scotland, about 55 whereas the Tories have about 331 seats in Westminster.The Tories have done even better than at the last election.Labour did not get enough seats to even form a coalition with the SNP, even if it had been ready to do so.
 
I wouldn't have been surprised to see protests in a few months time but blimey not this quick....

Anti-austerity campaigners launched impromptu protests across Britain, less than 48 hours after David Cameron was returned to power with a parliamentary majority.
Hundreds of people joined demonstrations in Wales and central London following the surprise Conservative election victory. About 200 people were involved in clashes with police outside Downing Street, throwing green smoke bombs and tomato ketchup at officers in riot gear.
Five people were arrested and the Metropolitan police said that four officers and a member of police staff had been injured during the protests.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ake-to-uk-streets-after-tory-election-victory
 
It seems to me that the science of political poll taking in the UK is pretty abysmal. In contrast pollsters in the US have done pretty well. The polls that led Mitt Romney to think he was going to win in 2012 were all commissioned by the Republicans. I'll be interested in learning why the UK polls failed to pickup on Labour's upcoming defeat.
 
I wouldn't have been surprised to see protests in a few months time but blimey not this quick....

Anti-austerity campaigners launched impromptu protests across Britain, less than 48 hours after David Cameron was returned to power with a parliamentary majority.
Hundreds of people joined demonstrations in Wales and central London following the surprise Conservative election victory. About 200 people were involved in clashes with police outside Downing Street, throwing green smoke bombs and tomato ketchup at officers in riot gear.
Five people were arrested and the Metropolitan police said that four officers and a member of police staff had been injured during the protests.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ake-to-uk-streets-after-tory-election-victory

I think we have a lot more of this to come Billy from some of the 63% who didn't vote Tory http://is.gd/MJXFxZ At least Boris has been stopped from using his water cannon http://is.gd/KvDXhc
 
I have nothing against protests providing they are carried out in a peaceful, dignified manner but when there is damage and injuries caused by protesting then I think the protesters have lost their cause.

I also believe that there will be more protests to come.
 
I have nothing against protests providing they are carried out in a peaceful, dignified manner but when there is damage and injuries caused by protesting then I think the protesters have lost their cause.

I also believe that there will be more protests to come.

Agree. I'm opposed to violent protests and there will be more protests to come.
 
I never get involved in political discussions online Josiah, but of course there is far more to it than you will read on here.The Conservatives( Tories) have got in with a majority, which means they no longer have to be in coalition with the LIberal Democrats.No one party has a monopoly on compassion, all have social care programmes.The Scottish Nationalist Party has taken most of the seats in Scotland, about 55 whereas the Tories have about 331 seats in Westminster.The Tories have done even better than at the last election.Labour did not get enough seats to even form a coalition with the SNP, even if it had been ready to do so.

The SNP is the Scottish National Party, not nationalist. They got 56 seats. It sounds like it will be several years before another independence vote according to Nicola on Andrew Marr this morning.
 
OK, suppose in a couple of years Scotland votes for independence a leaves the UK and at the same time England votes to cut it's ties to the EU, would newly independent Scotland seek to join the EU and adopt its currency?
 

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