Bussing illegal immigrants

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Don M.

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I've been intrigued about the recent news reports about illegals being bussed/flown to some of our Northern cities. The people in our Southern border states have been inundated with illegals, while the rest of the nation is seeing little impact. Perhaps if substantial numbers of these illegals are sent to Washington, and NYC, etc., this problem will get the attention it deserves.

I'm in favor Legal immigration, but I think only those who obey our laws should be allowed to relocate here. I can understand the reasons these people leave their nations....with all the crime and corruption that exists in some of the South/Central American nations....but I feel strongly that this migration is creating serious problems that are largely being ignored by those not directly affected.

Hopefully this subject will be allowed without deteriorating into "banned" political rhetoric.
 

Don M. said:
I've been intrigued about the recent news reports about illegals being bussed/flown to some of our Northern cities. The people in our Southern border states have been inundated with illegals, while the rest of the nation is seeing little impact. Perhaps if substantial numbers of these illegals are sent to Washington, and NYC, etc., this problem will get the attention it deserves.

I'm in favor Legal immigration, but I think only those who obey our laws should be allowed to relocate here. I can understand the reasons these people leave their nations....with all the crime and corruption that exists in some of the South/Central American nations....but I feel strongly that this migration is creating serious problems that are largely being ignored by those not directly affected.

Hopefully this subject will be allowed without deteriorating into "banned" political rhetoric.
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I agree completely !!
 
My understanding is that hundreds of thousands of people have flowed through these small southern towns, and it is continuing. So there is a need for toilets, food, water. Many are children. And many are gang and cartel associates. Not a good time to live near the southern border.
 

A large number of politicians and political pundits have been telling the world that we have open borders and all sorts of entitlement programs for immigrants. Poor and oppressed people, many from central America, believe the lies which are told just to promote hatred and division in our country, and for political gain. So they come here anticipating a better life while putting an enormous strain on border patrol and law enforcement.

Obviously, we don't have "open borders." If we did, we wouldn't be apprehending all these immigrants.

Politicians should be telling the world that we're full; we can't take any more right now.

Of course, the U.S. destroyed the economies of the countries where many of the refugees are coming from. The case could be made that we owe them some assistance.
 
Brilliant, appropriate strategy. Keep moving them so! The desperate, frantic push back with guilt shaming name calling from politicians where these migrants are being sent reflects how effective they realize this is regardless of how welcoming their media partners frame it. Both parties are complicit for this ridiculous excessive immigration situation that by far is not supported by average working Americans. Americans that want lower levels of immigration like we used to have that results in much less societal frictions. Politicians on both sides are aware what their donation masters want is at odds with the public, thus avoid discussing immigration or open borders as much as possible and when they do flap their lips, what comes out are inane spins and deflecting excuses.

Instead one party wants excessive immigration to lower employment product costs in our global economy markets, add continual growing numbers of retail consumers, and keep pressure on the supply and demand residential real estate markets, while the other side sees them as additional voters for their social cause side they can't do enough for providing hand outs.
 
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I thought most of the citizens of the US are descended from immigrants that came in through Northeastern ports, so it seems odd to expect anyone around Martha's Vineyard to be at all freaked out by some immigrants, even if those people are - gasp - of Latin or South American heritage! LOL
When I was on the Boston Historic Harbor Cruise yesterday different neighborhoods along the shore were pointed out as they grew up from the Irish immigrants and the Italian immigrants etc.
And when I was on the Salem, Massachusetts Trolley Tour earlier in the week, one of the historic buildings was pointed out as the oldest immigrant services that still continues today.
And since the majority of illegal immigrants are people who overstay their visa, I think New York already is very familiar with the whole deportation process, and could probably give pointers to Texas.
I don't know why Arizona and Texas are being so emotional about it, and it is horrid behavior to act like everyone who comes in is a evil leech. Some of the immigrants will turn out to have valid claims for asylum, many will go through the legal deportation process. Many are not apprehended and they statistically benefit the economy anyway so I don't see the big deal.
I do wish though that we could require English as the national language, I've been plugging away a Spanish lesson a day (most days) on Duolingo for more than three months and while listening to some tourists behind me on the boat tour I only managed to pick out a few words I knew. And they spoke so fast! I guess I need to stop using the 'turtle' option on duolingo that slows the speaking speed down, ha ha.
 
HoneyNut said:
I thought most of the citizens of the US are descended from immigrants that came in through Northeastern ports, so it seems odd to expect anyone around Martha's Vineyard to be at all freaked out by some immigrants, even if those people are - gasp - of Latin or South American heritage! LOL
When I was on the Boston Historic Harbor Cruise yesterday different neighborhoods along the shore were pointed out as they grew up from the Irish immigrants and the Italian immigrants etc.
And when I was on the Salem, Massachusetts Trolley Tour earlier in the week, one of the historic buildings was pointed out as the oldest immigrant services that still continues today.
And since the majority of illegal immigrants are people who overstay their visa, I think New York already is very familiar with the whole deportation process, and could probably give pointers to Texas.
I don't know why Arizona and Texas are being so emotional about it, and it is horrid behavior to act like everyone who comes in is a evil leech. Some of the immigrants will turn out to have valid claims for asylum, many will go through the legal deportation process. Many are not apprehended and they statistically benefit the economy anyway so I don't see the big deal.
I do wish though that we could require English as the national language, I've been plugging away a Spanish lesson a day (most days) on Duolingo for more than three months and while listening to some tourists behind me on the boat tour I only managed to pick out a few words I knew. And they spoke so fast! I guess I need to stop using the 'turtle' option on duolingo that slows the speaking speed down, ha ha.
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Mine and a lot of others came through the Northeast port of Ellis Island and followed all requirements according to the law.
 
Manatee said:
They need to send some buses to Sacramento, San Francisco and Delaware.

Can Creepy Joe not be impeached for failing to do his job?
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San Francisco seems to be having their own problems these days.
Homeless, druggies are in abundance roaming certain areas of town.

I remember when I was younger they had such a thing as a NO Vagrancy signs posted about, and in front of businesses.
 
Chet said:
Mine and a lot of others came through the Northeast port of Ellis Island and followed all requirements according to the law.
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Probably mine too (some were pre-revolutionary war so not sure how they came, but the ones from the 1880s probably came through New York) (and certainly followed whatever laws were in effect then).

I'm just amused that Texas and Florida act like sending a bus load of immigrants to an area that has processed millions of immigrants (and I would assume many many visa-overstay illegals) is somehow going to cause the northeasterners to reel in shock and fear.
 
This is an acute failure at the federal level. I do not blame the folks for trying to improve their lives and live safely. The federal government is the only entity that can legally stop these people from coming across and the only entity that legally send them back.

I also realize the burden this large influx is having on the border communities and feel it is appropriate to shift some of that burden throughout the nation. It doesn't go unnoticed that open arms were extended for Ukrainians, but somehow the sympathy wanes when they are of different, ahem... nationalities.

As for the political aspects... both sides are terribly indifferent to this problem. Maybe busing them to sanctuary cities will force some acknowledgement of the scale of the problem.
 
That dumb stunt backfired. The compassionate, generous people on Martha's Vineyard came through with thousands of dollars and offers to help.

Don, in your OP you mentioned Washington as one of the places the immigrants should be sent to. Maybe you should do a bit of homework on this subject. Many of them have been and continue to be bussed to Washington, D.C. It's one of the favorite destinations of the shameful governors who are treating desperate people like garbage.

The border problem is a serious issue, which does not have any easy answers. But so far, the "solutions" are disgusting, and doing nothing to alleviate the problem. I think we need to increase border security, and at the same time open up programs, temporary homes, job training, etc. for a lot more of those who want to peacefully emigrate to this country and work, just as our ancestors did. In other words, make it easier for them to get here legally. Stupid stunts are accomplishing nothing.
 
The compassionate people of Martha’s Vineyard called out the national guard — yes, really — and compassionately rehomed the immigrants on the mainland. No word if any of that money actually reached an immigrant.

Sunny, you have no idea what it’s like down here. People in border towns come home to find their homes broken into, food gone, clothing stolen, and even their pets missing. Never mind how much fentanyl and cocaine is coming across with the immigrants. It’s a big mess that’s costing lives.

This is nothing more than what the federal government has done, only without the attention, and in the middle of the night. So I’m all in favor of spreading the pain.
 
Manatee said:
They need to send some buses to Sacramento, San Francisco and Delaware.

Can Creepy Joe not be impeached for failing to do his job?
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You are really getting political here and it is not appreciated. Creepy Joe has lots more experience and has accomplished much more than your Orange Orangutang ever did in the 4-year hell we experienced. Time to remove your blinders, and for the thread to be closed. MAGA followers can't ever help themselves and you are true to form. I can only hope that you contributed to his cause. :ROFLMAO:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-fundraising-scam-jan-6-hearing-1367359/
 
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CarolfromTX said:
The compassionate people of Martha’s Vineyard called out the national guard — yes, really — and compassionately rehomed the immigrants on the mainland. No word if any of that money actually reached an immigrant.

Sunny, you have no idea what it’s like down here. People in border towns come home to find their homes broken into, food gone, clothing stolen, and even their pets missing. Never mind how much fentanyl and cocaine is coming across with the immigrants. It’s a big mess that’s costing lives.

This is nothing more than what the federal government has done, only without the attention, and in the middle of the night. So I’m all in favor of spreading the pain.
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I love living in Dallas, but you make me embarrassed to be a Texan. You do you.
 
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At last count, there were some 29 million illegals living in the U.S. How long are we going to allow this to continue this ?

In Mexico, the government allows thousands upon thousands of potential illegals to ride on top of railroad cars heading north. They do so to relieve overcrowding. The U.S. is not doing anywhere nearly enough to put pressure on the Mexican gov't. Over crowding, and underemployment is a MEXICAN problem. Yet WE are paying the price.
 
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Manatee said:
They need to send some buses to Sacramento, San Francisco and Delaware.

Can Creepy Joe not be impeached for failing to do his job?
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Don't know about Sacramento and Delaware, but San Francisco is already well stocked.

"California has more immigrants than any other state.
California is home to almost 11 million immigrants—about a quarter of the foreign-born population nationwide. In 2019, the most current year of data, 27% of California’s population was foreign born, more than double the percentage in the rest of the country. Foreign-born residents represented at least one-third of the population in five California counties: Santa Clara (39%), San Mateo (35%), Los Angeles (34%), San Francisco (34%), and Alameda (33%). Half of California children have at least one immigrant parent."
https://www.ppic.org/publication/immigrants-in-california/
 
HoneyNut said:
I don't know why Arizona and Texas are being so emotional about it, and it is horrid behavior to act like everyone who comes in is a evil leech. Some of the immigrants will turn out to have valid claims for asylum, many will go through the legal deportation process. Many are not apprehended and they statistically benefit the economy anyway so I don't see the big deal.
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True, a lot of Americans are descended from immigrants....mostly legal immigrants.

Arizona and Texas "are being so emotional about it" because illegal immigrants are running right through their backyards by the dozens Every Single Day. That's dozens per yard multiplied by multiple backyards in multiple neighborhoods daily.

Texans take their morning cuppa out to the patio and find 5 or 6 strangers sleeping on their patio furniture, and a few more sleeping over there under their daughter's bedroom window. And they're hungry.

Arizonans get home from work and find that their home security camera recorded a handful of illegals who broke into their house, ate their food, used the toilet, shaved and showered, and then left wearing their family's clothes and shoes, taking the jewelry and the quilt that grandma made with them. And some of those rascals have active Covid.

These immigrants aren't coming in at a border crossing, they're sneaking in. Well, running in. They know where the border is patrolled and where it isn't, and they cross where it isn't. They aren't going through an asylum process and they haven't overstayed their visas because they didn't bother to apply for one.

These are the illegals that TX and AZ are complaining about. And they're *emotional* about it because it's been going on and on and on for years. They've called and written their governors and state legislators, the US congress, the US president, Homeland Security/INS/Border Patrol, and their state police, but nothing has changed. Nothing's been done. Not even extra patrols near their homes. A bunch of citizens who live near the border have tried to sell their homes for cheap, but no one's buying them. Some have moved anyway, but most of them can't.

Anyway, that's what they're being so emotional about. Their lives are kind of a mess because of these thousands upon thousands of illegal border crossers. It's frightening. You buy home security cameras and extra locks, you worry while you're at work or out for an evening, and you gotta do inventory when you get back, you don't leave your teenagers home alone, and nobody goes on vacation.

Years of this. That's what's horrid, imo.
 
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Don M. said:
I've been intrigued about the recent news reports about illegals being bussed/flown to some of our Northern cities. The people in our Southern border states have been inundated with illegals, while the rest of the nation is seeing little impact. Perhaps if substantial numbers of these illegals are sent to Washington, and NYC, etc., this problem will get the attention it deserves.

I'm in favor Legal immigration, but I think only those who obey our laws should be allowed to relocate here. I can understand the reasons these people leave their nations....with all the crime and corruption that exists in some of the South/Central American nations....but I feel strongly that this migration is creating serious problems that are largely being ignored by those not directly affected.

Hopefully this subject will be allowed without deteriorating into "banned" political rhetoric.
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I see nothing wrong with bringing this subject into the open and discussing it. It has such an impact on any country that the whole issue of immigration needs to be addressed. Such large numbers flooding into the country is bound to have long-term effects.
 

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