Ca told NOT to charge electric cars this weekend

senior chef said:
One important thing California has forgotten or chose to ignore.... vastly increasing population. No matter what California does, about green energy, it is merely a drop in the bucket of a WORLD-WIDE population increase. The greater the population , the greater the green-house gasses. For those who never thought about it, green-house gasses DO NOT stay in place. Those gasses "float" all around the world, Thus, exploding populations of Asia, continue to add evermore greenhouse gasses. So, no matter what CA does, the world will continue to use fossil fuels, and in the process, create more and more greenhouse gasses.
For those who have traveled to Asia, they may recall the heavy smog in mega-cities like Beijing, Manila, and the cities of India. Those places are filled with old cars, trucks, jeepney's etc which literally pour vast amounts of blackish/grey smoke.
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You're right! I'm sure they never considered this! Thank god for armchair experts like yourself helping professionals to understand their field of expertise! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

WhatInThe said:
... One or two generations of ev use is not enough to perfect them for mass deployment.
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Toyota would be very surprised to hear that. The Prius has been in production since 1997. The current Prius models are considered fifth generation models.

Our neighbor has owned several Prius cars, buying their first one in 2005. They have also leased/owned Nissan Leaf, a Chevy Bolt, and now have the Tesla.

Me, I'm waiting a couple of years more for the Mustang Mach-E!
 
Nathan said:
You're right! I'm sure they never considered this! Thank god for armchair experts like yourself helping professionals to understand their field of expertise! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Wise guy ! You can not find fault with my argument so you post wise guy remarks.
PS: I know how to read. You might try it some time. You may learn a thing or two.
 

Nathan said:
I'm real easy to get along with, but if you think you're going to talk ignorant crap about my home state, you're sadly mistaken.
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I'll continue to post what I think , as long as I choose. :) In case you have forgotten, Americans have a right to say what we feel.

I am so sick of those who have a deep seated need to control others. Arrogant buggers !
I'll continue to drive a 4-wheel drive vehicle as long as I can get gas. AND, i'll continue to smoke cigarettes , also. No matter how much tax you put on them.

Suggestion: Wear a T-shirt and have a bumper sticker that says, "I know what's best for the planet, and anyone who disagrees with me is a fool. Just imagine how superior you would feel.
 
Nathan said:
I think that you're 'reading' a lot more into all of this, than is necessary.
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I'm not sure that he is. I can't remember where I saw it but I thought I read a story somewhere about people leaving certain states in the near future to live in places that are more affordable and something else. I didn't pay it much mind but I think CA was listed in there. This is as close as I could find to what I read:
Article from Forbes Magazine
 
Has anyone heard lately about the idea of electric cars using replaceable batteries like fork lifts do? I know it isn't doable now, but at one time it was considered the only practical way to switch over from fossil fuel vehicles. Your charge is low you pull up at a service station and they swap out the battery instead of filling with fuel.

Another thing I've wondered is having charging stations generate their own power from a combination of wind, solar, water technologies, or some other source I don't know of.

I don't think we're past the toddler stage in having practical non fuel vehicles at this point. Lots of work needs to be done yet.
 
MarkinPhx said:
All I have are the Dbacks so hard to take baseball as seriously here ;)
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Ah... but you have the delightful perk of living in the land of the Cactus League's spring training games. So many beautiful ball fields and the opportunity to see fully half of all the teams in MLB!

DH & I love the relaxed atmosphere, reasonable ticket prices, ball field employees, and our time hanging out in the Phoenix area for a week. We eagerly look forward to returning to your lovely city for spring training in 2023 after having to take a few years off due to Covid.
 
WhatInThe said:
It's not just charging stations it's sources of consistent power generation. And zoned or segregated grid so one issue in one location won't take down many others.

Throw in imperfect ev car tech and design it's too early to mandate. Gas car have become quiet efficient. My first was a 9-12 miles per gallon v8. Now even the big cars are over 20 mpg.

Also saw that many Cali ev owners have. a traditional engine car so guess what's hitting the road this weekend.
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Most EV owners I know - and that's several - charge their vehicles overnight when recharging is needed. So they wouldn't be charging during that 5 hour window from 4:00 - 9:00 PM.

Honestly, people on this forum are making a far bigger deal of the request that Californians reduce their power needs during those five hours than anyone I know who actually lives here.

Avoiding car charging, laundry, automatic dishwashing, setting AC to 78, avoiding using the oven (few in their right mind turn on the oven when temps are over 100° anyway), shutting off unnecessary lights, etc., for 5 measly hours are NOT HARDSHIPS, people. Really and truly, they're not.
 
MarciKS said:
I'm not sure that he is. I can't remember where I saw it but I thought I read a story somewhere about people leaving certain states in the near future to live in places that are more affordable and something else. I didn't pay it much mind but I think CA was listed in there. This is as close as I could find to what I read:
Article from Forbes Magazine
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I've addressed this here before. This is what I wrote:

For some proportion, let's look at actual numbers.
CA lost 117,552 people in 2021, leaving a population that remains well over 39 million. (Numbers that seem shocking on their own are a lot less so when seen in context.) California's population declined a whopping 3/10s of one percent in 2021.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/02/california-population-decline-trend-covid

This change wasn't newsworthy, life changing or even noticeable to people living here. (For people on this thread who live in counties of 10,000 population, that would be a net loss of 30 people. Would you consider that a signal of an impending mass exodus?)

It's not my intent to sound snarky, but most Californians are fine with the idea of a reduction or leveling off of our population. If people want to leave, we're cool with that. If they want to take some friends with them, better still. Real estate prices can only come down to earth when demand lessens. Traffic won't ease until there are fewer people are on the roads.
 
Flarbalard said:
Has anyone heard lately about the idea of electric cars using replaceable batteries like fork lifts do? I know it isn't doable now, but at one time it was considered the only practical way to switch over from fossil fuel vehicles. Your charge is low you pull up at a service station and they swap out the battery instead of filling with fuel.

Another thing I've wondered is having charging stations generate their own power from a combination of wind, solar, water technologies, or some other source I don't know of.

I don't think we're past the toddler stage in having practical non fuel vehicles at this point. Lots of work needs to be done yet.
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EV car battery weight and cost are a huge issue right now. With many models having the batteries taking up space underneath the entire car. So a better or different battery layout might help alot.

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/ev-car-battery-capacity-tech/

The average EV is 300-800 pounds heavier because of the batteries which can lead to more tire and road wear. The cost-pfffft. up to 20,000 dollars.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/costs-ev-battery-replacement

https://www.greencars.com/post/why-evs-weigh-so-much
 
When I lived in New York City, I got tired of all the New York bashing. I'm sure Californians don't want to hear people who don't live there complain about their state. Every place has its pros and cons. Californians I've known acknowledge the challenges (many, such as the high cost of housing, brought on by the state's great climate, scenic beauty and economic opportunity) while appreciating the good parts in terms of culture, diversity and lots of things to do.

The fact is, we will all have to come to grips with the environmental problems faced now by California. There will be a lot of trial and error before we get things right (if we have time.)
 
Present efforts to reduce greenhouse gasses are centered mostly around things like fossil fuel powered vehicles and coal fired power plants. However, there is another, even more serious issue approaching....Methane. Methane is several times more detrimental to our atmosphere than CO2, and as the earth warms, it's presence will be felt. There are millions of tons of this gas locked in the frozen tundra of Siberia, North America, and the ocean depths. As global and ocean temperatures rise, more and more of this gas will be released. Presently, the biggest source of Methane is animal "flatulence" from the herds of cattle, etc., but that will change in coming decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane
 
senior chef said:
I'll continue to post what I think , as long as I choose. :) In case you have forgotten, Americans have a right to say what we feel.
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I would certainly not want to try and silence you, I want you to show everyone just what kind of a person you are.

senior chef said:
I am so sick of those who have a deep seated need to control others. Arrogant buggers !
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I am also sick of those people [like you] that try to control rational conversation with their barrage of empty-headed, negative mental diarrhea. Most arrogant bugger!
Here's my favorite part :

senior chef said:
I'll continue to drive a 4-wheel drive vehicle as long as I can get gas. AND, i'll continue to smoke cigarettes , also. No matter how much tax you put on them.
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Hahaha, you should have been a comedian, do you really think anyone gives a sh*t if you drive a FWD or fn smoke cigarettes? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Enjoy!
 
Don M. said:
Present efforts to reduce greenhouse gasses are centered mostly around things like fossil fuel powered vehicles and coal fired power plants. However, there is another, even more serious issue approaching....Methane. Methane is several times more detrimental to our atmosphere than CO2, and as the earth warms, it's presence will be felt. There are millions of tons of this gas locked in the frozen tundra of Siberia, North America, and the ocean depths. As global and ocean temperatures rise, more and more of this gas will be released. Presently, the biggest source of Methane is animal "flatulence" from the herds of cattle, etc., but that will change in coming decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane
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Humans need to address, rethink and revise so many modern habits. Reliance on fossil fuels, long distance sourcing for food and necessities, and meals centered on animals and animal products included.
 
In California, the powers that be want to ban gas and diesel powered vehicles in favor of all electric but ask us not to charge the all electric vehicles due to the the drain on the electrical grid. Definitely a WTF moment wouldn't you say! On the other hand, it just may be me :coffee:? Don...
 
StarSong said:
Humans need to address, rethink and revise so many modern habits. Reliance on fossil fuels, long distance sourcing for food and necessities, and meals centered on animals and animal products included.
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My current peeve is packaging. My wife and her friend did their monthly shop at Costco yesterday. I'm amazed at all the cardboard and plastic I had to put in recycling. And Costco tries (or at least seems to try) to cut down on packaging waste.

After the trip to Costco they went to an Indian/Asian grocery to buy couscous and other products. Everything sold in bulk with a minimum of packaging.

Another pet peeve: Experts flying all around the world to attend environmental conferences. We proved during the pandemic that virtual meetings work. There's no reason to convene in-person conferences for the most part. And with virtual reality and the metaverse coming on board, we should be able to more or less replicate the in-person experience (not just for environmental conferences -- that's an easy target -- but for all sorts of business and not for profit meetings).
 
Lethe200 said:
Toyota would be very surprised to hear that. The Prius has been in production since 1997. The current Prius models are considered fifth generation models.
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And are very much in demand, virtually impossible to find a new one right now...

My wife express some interest, so I investigated. Only way to have any shot at one is to pay a big premium over list price, and be willing to wait indefinitely for delivery. Dealers around here don't even have a new one on the lot to show...
 
Nathan said:
It's been hotter-than-normal(and muggy!) virtually all summer, but today was noticeably hotter. Thermostat always set to 80 F., electric bill in excess of $350/mo. Next year: Replacing the central AC, looking into getting a solar system. No plans for electric car.
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We got 2 new HVAC units this year and think it is saving us $100-150 a month so far during the incredibly hot summer months. Hope you see the same thing!

Be very careful when checking out solar...lots of scams out there - they say to go with a company that offers "all the services" from panel purchases, to installation, to permits, to upkeep and be sure to check your roof to be sure it can handle the load.
 
We spent a lot of money (~$2000) on new programmable thermostats. They seem to be helping keep the bills down, summer and winter. Summers here (Central Virginia) are punishing but we generally turn off the AC at night and go with ceiling fans.

It's all part of the same thing. Walk and bicycle more, drive less, consume less. But in the end it doesn't mean much unless and until India and China get their emissions under control. China has plans to put 40 plus coal fired electric plants on line this year.
 
Liberty said:
Be very careful when checking out solar...lots of scams out there - they say to go with a company that offers "all the services" from panel purchases, to installation, to permits, to upkeep and be sure to check your roof to be sure it can handle the load.
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I'm investigating solar right now. It feels like the wild west out there. So hard to figure out who's best, especially since we want battery backup. Am slightly favoring Tesla right now, but am so uncertain.
 
JimBob1952 said:
It's all part of the same thing. Walk and bicycle more, drive less, consume less. But in the end it doesn't mean much unless and until India and China get their emissions under control. China has plans to put 40 plus coal fired electric plants on line this year.
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That's the kind of thing I've been saying all along. China and India have a combined population of aprox 2+1/2 BILLION. It kinda makes whatever California does, a meaningless drop in the bucket.
 
With any of these electric conservation measures it's like these power companies and customers never experienced high temperatures before. Lived in Florida rarely used ac unless in a hurry or simply couldn't stop sweating. That includes car a/c as well.

Also checked into upgrading an electric panel/wiring in house and the electrician said shouldn't need in with all the energy saving devices ie light bulbs, appliances, tv's etc. So other than computers, cell phones or cordless tools where is the electric use that power companies are declaring power emergencies more than ever?
 
Liberty said:
We got 2 new HVAC units this year and think it is saving us $100-150 a month so far during the incredibly hot summer months. Hope you see the same thing!

Be very careful when checking out solar...lots of scams out there - they say to go with a company that offers "all the services" from panel purchases, to installation, to permits, to upkeep and be sure to check your roof to be sure it can handle the load.
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I was able to repair the central AC earlier today, will try to make it last 'til spring when it definately gets replaced.

Fortunately my step-son is in the solar business, I'm sure he'll take care of the details...as well as the family discount. ;)
 

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