California exodus, curse or blessing?

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California has long been recognized as a bastion of liberal causes. I've noticed that some of those transplants then complain about issues in their new habitat saying, "in California we did this". If you leave California don't assume the same mistakes being repeated will give a better result. Adapt or go back.
 

People I know that moved from Cali. that weren't natives were because of job offers in this area, and due to the fact they sold their homes there and with the immense difference in real estate prices bought in one case, a huge home, the other a very nice home on large acreage.

I know a couple of guys that were native Californians, here because of military transfers, and stayed here because they like the area.

None of the above is recent, so I got nothing to contribute on the original premise.
 
I don’t think California is as far gone as many people think. That said, I would not move there or to any other state that did not have a good handle on their budget.
 
Brookswood said:
I don’t think California is as far gone as many people think. That said, I would not move there or to any other state that did not have a good handle on their budget.
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I don't know where that "far gone" notion came from, or who those "many people" are that think it...I won't say what I'm thinking...but I'll give your this:
California remains the 5th largest economy in the world since 2017. California is the 5th largest economy in the world for the seventh consecutive year, with a nominal GDP of nearly $3.9 trillion in 2023 and a growth rate of 6.1% since the year prior, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). On a per capita basis, California is the 5th largest economy in the world. California Remains the World’s 5th Largest Economy | Governor of California
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It sounds like you live in an area that hasn't experienced growth. I live in an area that has experienced growth for the past 50 years (as has California by the way). And in the past few years, outside of Texas, more Californians have moved to this state than any other state. For awhile it did shake up the real estate market but I blame that more on greedy developers and the circumstances for the sudden migration here. But the housing market is leveling out now.

While at times I do think that things are getting too crowded where I live, I welcome those moving here from California, the Midwest, or anywhere else. It's a boost to the economy. And I welcome the change.


As far as the "California thing goes", people in California do not all have the same ideology. Some people I have actually met from California lean right and some lean left. A few are as religious as those I have met from the Southern Bible Belt and others aren't religious at all. Arizona is changing in an ideology way but it isn't because of the sudden influx of those from California.
 
Over the decades starting around the Great Depression and the Dustbowl people poured into California from all states, all countries to grab a share of the milk & honey. Some stay and become Californians, others grab what they could get and move on. With a Calif. state population of over 39 million, anyone that's driven California freeways would be thankful to see an exodus of people and their cars leaving the state.
 
I guess some think only of southern California, beaches and San Francisco when the think of California.

Easy to forget the huge valley, the mountains, lakes, northern California. You got all kinds here.

A lot of areas in the country are experiencing growth. California has put up with it for years. People can and will move to what works for them. I do feel bad for areas where too much growth is happening, prices going up. But also how much is that people just moving and how much is corporate and foreign buying?
 
Our area is experiencing growth, not everyone is pleased with that. My point is simple. We like very much where we live, we've lived in other places, but returned to this our home area. We aren't anti-growth or progress, we simply don't want to become somewhere else. Having been to all but two of the U S states, and numerous foreign locations, I chose this place. I don't want to emulate California, New York, Berlin, etc., you get the point. Come and enjoy this beautiful area, just don't try to make like some other place. Enjoy here for what here is.
 
California's high prices have a benefit. I have a couple of cousins who lived in the SF bay area for decades. When they retired, they sold their properties and moved to a nice town a few miles North of Denver. The money they got for their SF properties bought a couple of real nice houses in Colorado, and left them a nice "bonus"
 
California has some wonderful attributes, it also has what I view as compulsive liberalism, and taxation beyond reason. I guess it remains a somewhat less pleasant place to visit, and a definite no on my list of places to live.
 
I loved the California-transplants effects in Colorado. The natives were rather insular and negative, but the influx of Californians was like a miniature building of America -- new stores, the best produce in the store (better than I've seen anywhere else), a bigger beautiful library with modern (for 20+ years ago when I lived there) features like e-book downloads, eventually a hospital (tho I'd moved away by then).

When I lived in Nebraska I frequently wished the Californians would come.
 
TennVet said:
California has some wonderful attributes, it also has what I view as compulsive liberalism, and taxation beyond reason. I guess it remains a somewhat less pleasant place to visit, and a definite no on my list of places to live.
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California is one of the top vacation destinations in the US. You've got the Golden Gate Bridge, Hollywood and Disneyland, Sequoia, Redwood, and Joshua Tree forests, the Sierra Nevada ski and camping resorts, Death Valley, a couple of volcanoes, dinosaur bones, ancient ruins...to name just a few attractions...plus over 3,000 miles of coastline with beaches of various types.

It's a great place to visit.
 
Murrmurr said:
California is one of the top vacation destinations in the US. You've got the Golden Gate Bridge, Hollywood and Disneyland, Sequoia, Redwood, and Joshua Tree forests, the Sierra Nevada ski and camping resorts, Death Valley, a couple of volcanoes, dinosaur bones, ancient ruins...to name just a few attractions...plus over 3,000 miles of coastline with beaches of various types.

It's a great place to visit.
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Plus....it never rains in Southern California ;)
 
The "extreme conservatives" moving to North Idaho looking for their "safe space" to join or associate w the "mayonnaise militia" and "vanilla isis" has been a huge negative for the state of Idaho in many ways. The late arriving right wing dirt pimps w swollen heads (roids) and full body ink have been selling Idaho right out from underneath the long term, and native Idahoans.

I wish they'd all just beat it.
 
I have never thought of it as appropriate for people who own a piece of property in a state to think they own the state. If you trace back their heritage far enough, their ancestors came from somewhere else and replaced the natives. We are all immigrants.

I would also add that people from any state shouldn't all be lumped together as though they have one mentality.
Some people like change and welcome it, while others don't, but it's likely to happen nonetheless. It's not all bad.
 
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I don't know where that "far gone" notion came from, or who those "many people" are that think it...I won't say what I'm thinking...but I'll give your this:
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Exactly. They may not be using it as wisely as they could (which is up for debate) , but it it is huge.
 
bobcat said:
I have never thought of it as appropriate for people who own a piece of property in a state to think they own the state. If you trace back their heritage far enough, their ancestors came from somewhere else and replaced the natives. We are all immigrants.

I would also add that people from any state shouldn't all be lumped together as though they have one mentality.
Some people like change and welcome it, while others don't, but it's likely to happen nonetheless. It's not all bad.
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Can't wait for you to stand aside and let the homeless come in and squat in your place. After all, you surely don't think you own it. We are all immigrants... which I suppose is meant to mean some damned thing but it escapes me what that might be.
 
dilettante said:
Can't wait for you to stand aside and let the homeless come in and squat in your place. After all, you surely don't think you own it. We are all immigrants... which I suppose is meant to mean some damned thing but it escapes me what that might be.
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Probably not the only thing that escapes you.
Anyone who purchases a piece of real estate in this country and declares it their state of residency gets a vote.
It's called Democracy. It's not exactly popular in all areas of the country, but the intelligent usually grasp the concept, and learn to adapt to it.
 

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